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BTW, I hate the new formatting of Family Search!

Kevin

Here is the link to my MRCA, William Daniel, on Family Search:



In Sources, researchers can examine every primary record referred to in William's biography. The actual record, not a transcript in a secondary source, not an interpretation by a third party, the actual primary record. The only thing that I like better about WikiTree is that it is possible to include links in the biographies to sources, which can be URLs to the primary record on Family Search.

These features give researchers the most power to publish and show proof of their research aside from self publishing.

But, yes, some compiler can, and often has, messed this up five minutes from now. That is why I follow most entries in my tree and frequently audit them for any changes. I correspond with several like minded researchers from my tree so that it does not rely solely on me to manage the integrity of "my" tree.

Kevin

The power of Family Search, and to a lesser extent, WikiTree, is that it is possible to easily support your conclusions with primary record evidence that other contributors can easily view. Unfortunately, it is possible to link basically anything (or nothing) as a record in Sources on Family Search, but serious researchers have the ability to add, edit or remove them. It is the best option for presenting genealogy research, based on easily verified primary record evidence, short of self publishing.?

That being said, yeah, anyone can put anything on either site, and do.

Kevin

BTW, you should avoid linking in Sources on Family Search to records which require a paid subscription on sites like Ancestry, My Heritage, etc., and link to the records on Family Search. If you can find a primary record on those sites, you likely also find it, and much more, on Family Search.

"I have had alot of frustration over people changing my tree and adding information that has been incorrect."

?There is no way to stop that, as far as I am aware. That would be in conflict with the concept of peer reviewed trees so I doubt that it is possible. The best thing to do is to form partnerships with other competent researchers of your line who understand how to apply standards of genealogical evidence to assist you. I suggest that you link supporting primary record evidence in Sources to support your conclusions and explain it in either or both the Life Sketch and Collaborate > Notes. It will save time if you can easily point to your proofs.

Kevin

I encourage folks who maintain family trees to support FamilySearch.org and WikiTree.com! Both are free!

Thanks for your comments and good work, Laura!

I just created a new profile for my uncle on WikiTree and the "source" I added was "I was there", and I have seen sources like "GEDCOM", "DAR application", etc., in? profiles, so while the intent may be laudable, Wikitree relies on its users to show some understanding of and application of genealogical evidence when adding sources.

I will create a WikiTree post on groups.io, as I do not want to keep hijacking this thread!

Now to fix Uncle Cecil's profile! I have added over 3300 sources on Wikitree, so far, so will add a few more, now...? Not sure how many profiles I have added....

I have noticed some recent efforts on FamilySearch to populate profiles with sources. Guessing it may be akin to the effort at WikiTree.

Best,

Kevin

Beverly, I'm not sure if my email address is visible. I'll space it out. It's jzerger @ comcast . net

Yes, the picture of the 1830 census is the same census record that I was referring to. Avis, William & Nancy Holmes (the mother) are on page 57, & the Meltons are on page 55, which is actually only one page prior.

Please send the Motlow Papers to jzerger@.... Thank you, I appreciate it!

The Felix Motlow papers are different but compiled when the pension applications are going on. I have a copy. How should I send it to you??

Kevin,

I have seen quite a bit of "policing" going on on WikiTree. But, now that I think about it, the most aggressive policing seems to take place on the profiles that represent Native Americans. People from different Native American projects are constantly removing spouses & children from profiles due to lack of proof. There are lots of discussions also as to why these changes are made. And I know that when I first started adding my family to WikiTree, I would receive a notice if it was determined that my sources were not adequate. I remember using Find-A-Grave early on, before I realized that the information there is not always accurate.

Last night I was researching how to use Y-DNA results as documentation on WikiTree. This is the example that was given:

* Paternal relationship is confirmed through Y-chromosome DNA testing. [[Smith-44676|William Waugh Smith]], FTDNA kit #95454, and his 6th cousin once removed, [[Smith-81508|Len Smith]], FTDNA kit #216226, match at a Genetic Distance of 2 on 67 markers thereby confirming their direct paternal lines back to their MRCA [[Smith-15895|Thomas Smith]]. FTDNA indicates that the probability the two share a common ancestor within the last 7 generations is 91.73% and within the last 8 generations is 94.73%.

I need to do a little more research on what all of this means, specifically the last sentence, & how to go about determining the number of generations & the percentage.

Beverly,

I have seen pictures of this Bible before. I have also seen the Motlow Papers referenced before, but I am not sure what they are. I have tried searching for them, but never found them. I wasn't sure if they were some of the documents included in the pension application, or if there was more to it than that. If you have a link to the Motlow Papers, I would love to take a look.

I have not seen much research regarding John Daniel, nor Avis. I just tried finding him on the 1830 census. There are two John Daniels in Bedford County, TN, & there is one in Franklin County, TN. Are you thinking that one of these is him? And what are the census records that link John to Avis & Argent?

I am basing some of my information on what I was told by James Daniel on this message board a couple of years ago. He informed me that he was a descendant of John Buckley Daniel, & that John Buckley was a brother to William Mack Daniel. He said they were both the sons of John & Avis, & that in the 1830 census, both William & John were living with their mother, Avis, in Wayne County, TN. I assumed that meant that John had died already. And this information made sense to me because the woman that John Buckley Daniel married, Nancy Holmes, is living next door (with her mother) to this Avis Daniel, not to mention that older brother/uncle William Daniel (& Argent) is four houses away. And, the Melton family that William Mack Daniel married into is 17 houses away.

James also told me that the person from kit #13589, Paul William Daniel, who was a descendant of William Mack Daniel, had been a friend of his before he passed, & they had discussed their family connections. As for kit #293716, James told me this person was a descendant of someone closely related to William & John who had lived in France.

I am getting ready to go out of town until tomorrow, so I probably won't be on here again until late in the day tomorrow.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 06:17 PM, Janine Zerger LAST_NAME wrote:

WikiTree requires documentation for anything that is put on there, so I like that.

Unfortunately, WikiTree accepts anything entered into their Source field <ref></ref> as "documentation". Just creating that field and putting something vague like "GEDCOM" in it will get you past that requirement, I think. The folks at WikiTree apparently make no effort to police that field. Or maybe they do....? I have never tried to enter anything but valid primary record sources in that field. There is enough bad data on WikiTree to make me suspicious, though..

The only time I have ever heard from WikiTree regarding Sources was about Y DNA certifying my Daniel line back to my earliest proved ancestor. They were pretty strict about that and required adding a comment block for every direct line ancestor with links to the proof. Though there is a lot of really bad data on WikiTree, too, at least it is possible to make comments and changes, not true for Ancestry, MyHeritage, etc. My blood pressure goes up every time I look at the ThruLines feature on Ancestry. I try not to!

The Y DNA of the line of Kevin Daniel has been proved<ref>Family Tree DNA Y DNA testing used to prove Y DNA of the line of the MRCA [[Daniel-5982|William Daniel]].
* For details of the testing refer to:
?http://www.kevindaniel.x10.mx/carolinedanielsdna.html
* Y DNA kit #s 3347, 445720 and 756121 represent descendants of three sons of [[Daniel-5982|William Daniel]], the MRCA, proved using primary record evidence, though multiple descendants, 20 total, have been tested. The three reference kits have tested to 111 markers and done Big Y 700 testing. All males in this group share the same terminal SNP which is unique to this Daniel family. No other men with this terminal SNP have been identified.</ref>.

Cheers,

Kevin

Beverly,

This is a video with step-by-step instructions for downloading your raw DNA from Ancestry & uploading it to Gedmatch. If you have any trouble with the process, let me know.?
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So John Daniel was still alive in 1830? I'll have to go back to the census records & look. I'm curious, how do we know that John was married to someone named Avis? I've never seen any documentation for that.

Kevin, I really like WikiTree, & also FamilySearch.org, for the most part. WikiTree requires documentation for anything that is put on there, so I like that. It makes me feel as if they really strive for accuracy. I have seen some mistakes on FamilySearch, but I do like searching there for documentation that I can't find on Ancestry. I really like Ancestry for the DNA matches. When I first started working on my family tree, I knew who all four of my grandparents were & about half of my great grandparents. That was it. With the help of DNA, I've been able to figure out a lot more of my tree. And sometimes when I have a match on Gedmatch, I can find their tree on Ancestry, which helps me figure things out. Both Gedmatch & FamilySearchDNA are great for being able to pinpoint where on which chromosomes my DNA matches & I match, which has also helped me to figure out some of my family tree.