Hello Donna,

I have done some extensive research into the Daniel line following the Barbados connection. I haven’t got my research to hand but can off the top of my head tell you based on archival evidence and also speaking to other researchers and a historian that a Daniel line definitely stems from the Barbadian John Daniel. My own line comes from this hence why I researched this.?

One of the best bits of evidence we came across was in the state papers of John Thurloe where there are several letters from John Daniel from Barbados to his mother Christian. It is discovered by reading these letters that John was part of a Spy Network for John Thurloe who was Oliver Cromwells Spymaster. John was an informant in these networks meeting Barbados merchants and planters ?and likely recieved financial compensation for this. It seems that he managed to slip under the radar though when John’s spy network was uncovered through a false ceiling where he stores the letters. In these, John mentions several of his children by name as well as his wife… thus proving that this John was the correct one as he had a mother called Christian who lived in Over Tabley as well as the correct names of children and his wife which all correlated with the Daniel founder of my family.?

Another piece of evidence was the continuation of the name Thomas being the elder sons name in the family as was present in the Danyers/ De Anyers family for centuries. This continued in my family for centuries until 1923.?

A Daniel researcher I came across who was studying the Tabley lines, conveniently was a historian as well, he told me that the English Civil War split families apart with what side they were on, considering several of his brothers died for the royalist cause and that his family had been so loyal to the crown for centuries, it did ?not strike him as odd at all that John may have lost touch with his family after Thurloe’s discovery. And considering his father died bankrupt it was no surprise that John may have left home and gone to Barbados.. the equivalent of going to America in the 20s .. as was where all the money was.

Also despite DNA location mapping being still a debatable science, my fathers DNA pointed largely to Cheshire, where over Tabley house was.?

What I cannot seem to wrap my head around is where all of the portraits and family articles of the Daniels/Danyers of Over Tabley house went ! For many years they were indeed wealthy and I cannot believe that at least one of our direct ancestors didn’t get their portraits painted ! I have found one of Sir William Daniel but that’s it !?

Yours?

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On 22 Dec 2022, at 07:56, donna erwin via groups.io <columbiarivergallery@...> wrote:

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This Daniel line is my line.? My first cousin took the Y-111 test and my uncle, his father took the Y-67.? The haplogroup is R-M269.? We have linked with 3 other Y-111 Daniel testers, but it was one of those that helped us determine which of the many Daniel lines we connect to.? We are still seaching for WHO the actual links are between our families...WHICH Daniel ancestor man in each...but we know it is this Daniel/Lanier line.? The Barbados connection though, according to the research of the gentleman that genetically ties our small group together, is a mistake.? Apparently there were two men of the same name, but the Barbados one does not connect to this line.

What I've gathered is that Robert Lanier Daniel, 1718 Chowan, NC was the son of Thomas Daniel 1686-90 (or about 1683) Albemarle, Stanley, NC - 1749 Tyrell, NC (m. Elizabeth Lanier Daniel 1698 Surry, VA - 1752 Tyrell, NC).? Thomas was the son of Owen Daniel (or Daniell) 1663 Isle of Wight, VA to 1700 Chowan, NC (m. Elinor Thomas 1653 Tyrell, NC - abt 1700 NC).? Owen was the son of? (The First) Thomas Daniel 1631 St Clement Dane, Middlesex, England - abt May 1709 Isle of Wight, VA (m. Elizabeth Griffin 1635 Leyton, Essex, England or All Saints, Middlesex, England - 1712 Isle of Wight, VA.)

Additional evidence that this is our line is that the Rayner family, which married into our known Daniel line and moved across state lines together down line, owned adjoining property in NC.

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Just found this:

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The Deeds of Halifax County North Carolina? 1771-1786 Abstracted by Dr. Stephen E. Bradley, Jr. pg. 99

Feb Court 1787? Halifax

[212] #1338 Administration granted to John Jones on the Estate of Joseph Daniell dec’d; he entered into bond of Five Hundred pounds with Arthur West and Wm Daniel securitys.

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I know this is an old thread, but since asking the original question I have found? a Y-dna match with a descendant of Josiah b 1756 d 1830, there seems to be a strong Brunswick VA connection, still looking for a descendant of John Daniel d 1824 in Rowan (Elleck's line daughtered out), but my dad's autosomal kit does have a couple matches with Elleck's descendants.?

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I know this is an old thread, but since asking the original question I have found? a Y-dna match with a descendant of Josiah b 1756 d 1830, there seems to be a strong Brunswick VA connection, still looking for a descendant of John Daniel d 1824 in Rowan (Elleck's line daughtered out), but my dad's autosomal kit does have a couple matches with Elleck's descendants.?

Peter Daniel S