Hi Jack,
??? Yeah, very inconvenient when even somewhat unusual given names are used in unrelated lines. At least all of the 15 Estridge/Eastridge Daniels I have found are all from my line. It will be a bad day when I find one who isn't!
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? The Essex and Caroline families intermingled with the same families, especially the Sneads, and in a couple of cases appear in the same records together because of that but seemed to have nothing to do with each other aside from that. The Caroline Daniels were slightly involved with the Harrisons before the Essex Daniels moved to Caroline, but the Essex Daniels were very close to the Harrisons in Essex so both associated with the same Harrisons in Caroline.

? A story I have told before, but it shows how bad things were before Y DNA came along. My ancestor, Estridge Daniel 1782-1852 (2nd great grandson of William 1680-1765 of Caroline) owned land that bordered that of Henry Daniel 1786-1783 (great grandson of James Daniel non-biological son of William of Middlesex) for over 20 years and when Henry sold it, he sold it to Estridge. Only Y DNA proved they weren't related.

?? We are probably up to at least 20 to 30 unrelated Daniel lines before 1800 in Virginia alone! No idea how many unrelated Daniel lines were in North and South Carolina before Virginia Daniels started migrating south and west.

Best,

Kevin

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Hello, Kevin,

There seem to be a lot of Daniel folks with first name Harrison back in those days. And several unrelated, but intermingled family lines to add confusion. (How many lines are there now? 20 to 30?)

After 1865 there was another Harrison Daniel living on the old plantation near Danielville Georgia. We have no idea at all as to his parents, except that he was a mulatto. Some suspect he was a son of one of the Daniel boys. He may have descendants living in that area, but I haven't found any willing to think genealogy.

Hi Jack,
??? Wasn't this Harrison Daniel from the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex County, VA? Possibly a son of James Daniel III who moved to Caroline County, VA in the late 1760s or early 1770s? Or has Y DNA testing changed this assignment? BTW, Bedford County, VA did not exist until 1754.

I will have to double check, but I think the Y DNA of? the Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens County, SC matches that of the line of James Daniel 1664-1742.? I have birth places of both Essex and Bedford Counties, VA for him but suspect that Essex is correct.

The Y DNA of the Harrison Daniel who died in Indiana does not match the line of James Daniel 1664-1742 or the Harrison Daniel who died in Laurens, SC.

?? There is no connection between James Daniel 1664-1742 of Essex and Roger Daniel. It does not appear that anyone can prove descent from Roger Daniell using primary records, which is the first step in determining the Y DNA of a line.... The Y DNA of the line of Roger Daniell is not proved.

Best,

Kevin

The Harrison Daniel i am looking for was born around 1802 in Va.? I've followed him down from the 1860 census to the 1830 census.?

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I have a Harrison Daniel b 1765 in Essex VA, son of John B Daniel b 1724 in Bedford VA, d 1819 Laurens SC, m Susannah Wright. The supposed genealogy says he is in the Roger Daniel SNP A11115 family.

Could he be related to this Waqua Creek group?

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I was wondering if any of them have done any y-DNA testing or have some family histories they have shared?? Really at this point I am trying to corroborate a genealogy hypothesis my great-great-great grandfather (Harrison Daniel b-1802 Virginia-Died after 1860 in Indiana) was a son of Jospeh Daniel Jr of the Waqua Creek Daniel family.? I read Jospeh Daniel's will and found a Harrison Daniel and a Thomas Daniel were both left $1. Their first appearance was in Surry County North Carolina in 1830.? Trying to get through this brick wall.

I’m in contact with half a dozen of them. Anything I can help with?

Has anyone ever reached out to the Daniels that still live out around the Waqua Creek area?

Thanks for the great information. jlc
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jlc

The name of the mother, or mothers, of William's two oldest sons, William and Robert is unknown. William appears to be the father of these two men and probably was, with a high degree of certainty. They probably both have the same mother but there is no primary record evidence which tells us whether that is true or not.

James Daniel, son of Jochebed,? a later wife of William Daniel was likely a child by a husband previous to her marriage to William Daniel. It seems likely that Jochebed was visibly pregnant when she was married to William Daniel as his will strongly suggests that James was not treated equally to William's other children, though William considered him to be his son. The surname of Jochebed's previous husband is not proved, but descendants of James have strong Y DNA matches to men with the surname of Davis. There were Davis men active in the vicinity at the time of William's marriage to Jochebed but those Davis lines later left Middlesex and primary record evidence does not link Jochebed to any Davis man or to a previous marriage.

William and Jochebed Daniel had a son named Richard, who had male descendants, but none have yet been proved in primary records. Y DNA testing of a proved male descendant of Richard Daniel should resolve this issue. Hopefully.

Pam Miller is the expert on this line and has a web site devoted to the genealogy of the line of William Daniel. I looked at this line very closely for a couple of decades and my Daniels had close interactions to the descendants of James Daniel, son of Jochebed. Finally, many years later, Y DNA proved our lines were not connected and that James was not the son of William Daniel.

Pam Millier's work is deeply rooted in primary record and Y DNA research and I consider her to be the expert on this line. There is still a lot of incorrect information being propagated about William Daniel on sites like FindaGrave.com, etc., and in various print sources.

http://pamiller.net/genealogy/docs/danielmiddlesex/danieldna/index.htm

Best,

Kevin

Thanks. It seemed pretty fantastic. On the question of the father o Robert. one of the two sons adopted by William with his second wife, is there anything known about their father's name?? jlc?
jlc

All disproved by primary record research. There is nothing to link William Daniel of Middlesex to the man of the 1653 patent and estimates of his year of birth based on Pam Miller's research would make him a minor in 1653. I wish Pam had subscribed to this Daniel group!

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jlc

Hi Jack,
? ? Do you have some primary record evidence to prove that William Daniel of Middlesex County, VA came from England or that he accompanied, or was accompanied by, anyone? The first record I can find for him is in 1672 when he received a land patent (Virginia Patent Office, Land Patent Book 6 page 415) for importing three people into Middlesex County, VA. I have not found any record which associates him with anyone named Chicheley/Chesley, etc. There is nothing about this on Pam's web site... It has been awhile since I looked at William of Middlesex, though, but I put quite a bit of effort into him a few decades ago. I just browsed through my records on him and didn't see anything.
? ? I do think the name Chisely/Chesely is unique to the line of Daniels who descend from William Daniel of Middlesex, but have never seen any proof of its origins.?

Best,

Kevin

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jlc

Hi Sheryl!?
Welcome to the Daniel group!

I am sorry to hear about your husband.

With regard to the Over Tabley Daniels, it has been proved by primary record research and Y DNA testing that there is no connection between William Daniel of Middlesex County, VA and the Over Tabley Daniels. Primary record research disproved this connection decades ago but there are so many secondary sources perpetuating this incorrect information that it is a continual task to correct it. This is addressed at some length on the Wikitree page for William.?



It also appears that James Daniel was not the biological son of William Daniel, based on Y DNA testing of his descendants. That is addressed at length on Pam Miller's site. I have examined her proof in detail and tend to agree with her conclusions. Her page is also linked on WikiTree.



The matches at 111 markers to descendants of William Daniel of Middlesex by his son Robert to men with the surname Jones and Wood, but to no one named Daniel, suggests that William may have had a clan ancestry, perhaps in Ireland or Wales. Both areas suffered incursions by Vikings which caused impacts to the Y DNA of men in those regions. The name change to Daniel may have occurred close to the time of William Daniel which could be a contributing factor in the difficulty in determining his European ancestry.

Best,

Kevin

Good morning, group!

I stumbled across you this morning when looking for some documentation on the Over Tabley Daniels.

It is great to see some names I have interacted with in the past!

By way of introduction, I am descended from Capt. William Daniel of Middlesex Co., Virginia through his son James. My line went to Campbell County, Kentucky where I was born and raised.

I look forward to having meaningful dialogue with some great minds, logical thinkers, and preservers of primary source documents!

I somewhat put my genealogy on the back burner when I returned to working after my husband's untimely death but now have time to dig back in!

Sherry
Sheryl Neal Slaughter

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Your message about Mabry Daniel makes me wonder about my Y-dna results. My oldest absolutely verified Daniel was Britton Daniel (1814-1885?) who was supposed to be the son of John Daniel, who was maybe son of Peter??