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Re: Somebody who knows how to use gears on Dalton 6 B-4, please help.

Glen Linscheid
 

I think you just move one or the other gear in or out using a smaller gear or a spacer so the line up. It's been at least 43 years since I used a lathe without a feedbox.
Glen

Here's a discussion on this; https://www.practicalmachinist.com/forum/threads/stud-gear.388949/


Somebody who knows how to use gears on Dalton 6 B-4, please help.

 

Hi guys! I've got the gear locations for screw-cutting figured out (stud is topmost, just in front of the two little gears, the comp is next lowest, and the screw is bottom-right, attached to the carriage lead screw.), but there's still one thing that has me stumped: What do you do if the thread you're cutting doesn't call for comp gears (which most threads don't)?? How do you get the stud gears to mesh with the screw gear?? As far as I can tell, they're completely out of react from one another.? Surely Dalton would have listed a pair of gears to put in the comp position if doing so was necessary, but I can't see how this is done with this spot empty. Am I missing something?
Thanks!


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 

For many years I used to take a scratch run on the part and check it with a thread pitch gage, the DRO method (In this case the dial indicator method, but not a dial test indicator) works as well and leaves no scratch marks, which wouldn't show anyway I guess.

On Mon, Aug 1, 2022 at 5:13 PM Joseph Difusco via <josephdfco=[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks, Glen !? I'll give that a try and report back with my findings.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

 

Thanks, Glen !? I'll give that a try and report back with my findings.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

 

Sorry for the misunderstanding, DW.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 

The last time I tried to set up the old style gearing I gave up without a struggle, just because a feed box makes it so easy that it's part of my understanding of the lathe. One of the questions I stumbled on was the term "stud" and not knowing which position it meant, however, you only have three opportunities, two of which are wrong, so it should still be easy, just don't choose a thread that needs compound gearing to make it work until you make your discovery (I think compound gears go on the stud if I'm not wrong, Haven't looked at a selection plate in a while).

To test your setup engage the half nuts and make a mark on your chuck with a felt pen and an opposing mark on the headstock so they line up. (Leave the power off for this) divide one inch by the number of treads per inch, in this case it would be .050". Set a dial indicator to show the movement of the carraige at zero and pull the chuck over by hand exactly one revolution, the indicator should read .050" if you have it right. Much easier with a DRO.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

john rosberg
 

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I ask because I’ve the same question!

John Rosberg


On Aug 1, 2022, at 13:18, Joseph Difusco via groups.io <josephdfco@...> wrote:

?Hi John! No, not yet. I just need to know exactly which gear is which on the gears, as listed on the back plate. Thanks!


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

dwshelf
 

I'm backing out, intended no snark.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

 

Hi John! No, not yet. I just need to know exactly which gear is which on the gears, as listed on the back plate. Thanks!


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

 

I'm a certified machinist, but it's been about 6 years, and several hospitalizations at the VA, since I've done anything in my machine shop.? I'm not asking how to cut threads, just how to cut them manually with a machine like the Dalton, and at this point, the only info I need is which gear goes where as labeled on the back cover.? I'm cutting the inside of two1.5" OD tubes, 20 tpi NS, and the outside of a 3/4" OD tube, 28 NS.? I know how to cut threads on a modern lathe. I'm curious, DW: in the time it took to write that snarky, unhelpful reply, why you couldn't simply have answered my question about the gears, or let someone else help?


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

john rosberg
 

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Did you ever get your stud gear question answered?

John Rosberg


On Jul 31, 2022, at 22:11, Joseph Difusco via groups.io <josephdfco@...> wrote:

?Thank you, Glen! Yes, I'm all set, except for how to put on gears.? I just need to know which gear is the stud, which gear is the screw.? I'm doing a 20 tpi internal thread.?


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 

?So you still think you know what size he wants to make an internal thread in, or what hand? BTW, I only saw one 1 1/4 - 20 tap for $25.50 tap and with shipping it's $39.40, maybe he isn't rich enough to pay that for a one time ID thread, especially when he wants to learn how to become more savvy than hobby lathe users who never learn to thread with their lathes, we all started sometime. Besides all that we still don't know what size hole he does want to tap, or even if it's a common size.

Above all that, he didn't ask where to buy a tap, he asked how to set up his lathe to cut threads.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

dwshelf
 

And if it's a size that no taps are made for what would he ask himself?

Taps are almost always available.

To use your example, there are at least a dozen online sources of 1 1/4-20 taps.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 

And if it's a size that no taps are made for what would he ask himself?

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 8:46 PM dwshelf via <dwshelf=[email protected]> wrote:
What I do know is that cutting decent, let alone precision internal?
threads requires some skills which are well in advance of how to?
select gears.

I don't doubt those skills can be acquired by experience and
mentoring, but I'll suggest again, during such a period of acquisition?
it is predictable that one would contemplate the question of "why
didn't I use a tap".

Or even more likely, "maybe I should use a tap".


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

dwshelf
 

What I do know is that cutting decent, let alone precision internal?
threads requires some skills which are well in advance of how to?
select gears.

I don't doubt those skills can be acquired by experience and
mentoring, but I'll suggest again, during such a period of acquisition?
it is predictable that one would contemplate the question of "why
didn't I use a tap".

Or even more likely, "maybe I should use a tap".


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 

?I'm curious DW, how did you know what size hole he wanted to produce threads in? He may have been wanting to make an internal hole inside a telescope eyepiece mount, or to get higher quality centricity and alignment and fit in a muzzle break. There are special taps for sizes other than 1/4-20 or 1/2-20, but they are more expensive.

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 8:16 PM dwshelf via <dwshelf=[email protected]> wrote:
By the time you have succeeded, and I have no doubt that you will,
you will have revisited the question of why you didn't use a tap.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 

I'm curious DW, how did you knew the internal diameter is small enough that a tap is made for it? If he's making a telescope eyepiece fitting it may be 1.25 X 20 TPI, but he didn't say, or, he may be wanting a 1/2 X 20 TPI hole in a muzzle brake for extreme accuracy and fit, I sure don't know.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

dwshelf
 

By the time you have succeeded, and I have no doubt that you will,
you will have revisited the question of why you didn't use a tap.


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

 

Thank you, Glen! Yes, I'm all set, except for how to put on gears.? I just need to know which gear is the stud, which gear is the screw.? I'm doing a 20 tpi internal thread.?


Re: Using lathe to cut threads

Glen Linscheid
 
Edited

I apologize Joseph, when I saw your email last night searching for a youtube video that would cover it and found four that didn't cover them, and intended to continue however I was exhausted after two day work which I'm not used to and turned in early. What video did you find?
?Of course South Bend lathe's early book "How to run a lathe" made before they switched to gear feed selector types should have a great deal of information, and myself, after a lifetime past my first lathe which did use pick off gears, I've forgotten all of it and recently thought about this because I own several older lathes which I keep for display and historical purposes.
?I'm glad you found the info!

Glen Linscheid