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Using lathe to cut threads
Hi guys!? I was hoping somebody could help refresh my memory.? I have a machine shop in my basement, and life has gotten in the way of me enjoying it for the past few years.? I have a Dalton Six B-4, and I'm getting ready to cut some threads with it.? I've completely forgotten the procedures, like marking the chuck and way, manually withdrawing the carriage, etc, and which gear is the stud.? Is it the one that sits below the two little gears that are directly below the spindle, or adjacent to the screw on the same bracket?? I'm guessing that the screw (as marked on the plate that covers the gears) is just that; the one attached to the screw that moves the carriage.? If you could walk me through the whole procedure like it's my first time,? I'd greatly appreciate it.? Thank you!
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Re: 7 inch dalton lathe
Thankyou Definitely been a head scratcher,? I may have a puller that might work. I've been using that Kroll penitrating oil through out this hole project along with vinegar, carbonic acid, kerosene. Not to mention elbow grease will steel wool. When I get a chance I'll look up Denis text message address. Thankyou for the advice , pull it is Jean On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 5:19 PM Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote: I looked at mine and it's identical to yours. I think the setscrew (s) need to be removed and then you can pull the gear off with a gear puller. If you don't have one this is the kind to buy () IMO because you may not have much room to get the other type back into the limited space. I find far fewer uses for the three armed pullers myself, but others may disagree. |
Re: 7 inch dalton lathe
Glen Linscheid
I looked at mine and it's identical to yours. I think the setscrew (s) need to be removed and then you can pull the gear off with a gear puller. If you don't have one this is the kind to buy () IMO because you may not have much room to get the other type back into the limited space. I find far fewer uses for the three armed pullers myself, but others may disagree.
?You may find the amount of force needed is less if you squirt penetrating oil on it and in the screw hole, and again it may be easier too if you heat it a few hundred degrees, standard stuff. |
Re: 7 inch dalton lathe
Thank you Glen I appreciate your input . I'm not a real big computer guru nor a social butter fly when it comes to computers but took interest in this site two years ago when I come across a barn find and it was my grandson that showed me about this site when he looked up the lathe that I had found, I'm getting down to the nitty-gritty having this thing competed. The gear that I'm trying to get off is the small gear to the left then that would allow me to remove the the treaded collar. The small gear all the way to the left has a set screw but it also looks like a key way. That has me stumped, I'm trying to get to the next gear just after the bearing off for repair or replacement. Thank you Jean On Thu, Jun 23, 2022, 3:16 PM Glen Linscheid <partsproduction@...> wrote: The guy to ask is Dennis Turk, he's the "guru". I've taken bull bears off lathes before and you need to remove the spindle of course by removing the two bearing caps, then the little gear at the left hand end comes off, then the cone pulley, and then the bull gear should be a light press over a key in the bull gear seat of the spindle. Since I haven't had one off a Dalton you'd want to make sure of any setscrews or other restraint and remove them, and to fully support the lower part of the gear's hub and press down against the spindle nose with a press, and I'd also |
Re: 7 inch dalton lathe
Glen Linscheid
The guy to ask is Dennis Turk, he's the "guru". I've taken bull bears off lathes before and you need to remove the spindle of course by removing the two bearing caps, then the little gear at the left hand end comes off, then the cone pulley, and then the bull gear should be a light press over a key in the bull gear seat of the spindle. Since I haven't had one off a Dalton you'd want to make sure of any setscrews or other restraint and remove them, and to fully support the lower part of the gear's hub and press down against the spindle nose with a press, and I'd also
find or make a spindle protector for the spindle thread if you don't have one, it could be just a piece of aluminum plate. That would help spread the force over a larger area to avoid distorting the spindle end. ?If as few hundred pounds of press doesn't move it I'd dose the joint where the gear presses to the shaft with Kroil and leave is sit overnight, then heat the gear with a soft flame, like a propane torch, to maybe 400-500 degrees and try again. ?You should be able to see where there is a key seat between the gear and the shaft, and you want to allow clearance for that to pass through your support when you press the shaft out. I've mangled a few keys in my life because I didn't take care for that. ? ?But perhaps Dennis will chime in here with the true dope on all this. I know on mine at least the small gear is fixed to the spindle with small setscrews tapped longitudinally between the gear bore and the spindle, not axially as is normal practice, so you may want to check for that before removing the gear, and I think the small gear is screwed onto the spindle end with fine threads. Make sure there aren't set screws under setscrews, as sometimes they are used to lock the torque bearing setscrews. Glen |
Re: Tool identification
Thanks.? I said auger but meant brace.? I hadn't even seen one of those before this weekend except in pictures.
Still kinda wished I had taken one, but I don't know that I'd ever use it enough to justify the space it would take up.? Plus I had nothing before with tapered shanks to put into it. |
Re: Tool identification
The square tapered shanks are for use in a brace and bit, although i don’t think that one extra long shank would fit in mine.? On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:47 AM chrisser via <chris.kucia=[email protected]> wrote: Visited my Mom this past weekend to help go through my late father's tools. --
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Tool identification
Visited my Mom this past weekend to help go through my late father's tools.
Spent half a day sorting through machine tools for her.? Got some a few nice things for myself to round out my boxes, plus loads of inch-sized taps, dies, etc. Anyhow, I've been going through the small bits and adding them to my existing stock.? Came across a few things and I either don't know what they are, or I'm not sure what their purpose is (ruler is for scale).? Any advice appreciated. Have a couple of reamers with dedicated handles.? Were reamers commonly used by hand?? Doesn't seem a very accurate way to use them. These reamers and counterbore or deburring tools have a square tapered shank.? What sort of tool would these go in?? Reminds me of something that would go in an auger.? Doesn't appear the shank is standardized. Have a fair amount of gently tapered reamers with square shanks.? Just like the standard reamers I'm familiar with, but with a taper.? Most are so slightly tapered it's difficult to see without paying attention. I'm familiar with more steeply tapered holes like for ball joints, but these are generally less than 1/2" and more often closer to 1/4" with a gentle taper that doesn't seem like it would be useful for something like a friction fit.? Is this maybe to make things like locating dowels easier to assemble?? If not, what's the common use (besides the obvious of making gently tapered holes)? |
Re: Lot 4 Change Gear Plate & Casting New Part
Glen Linscheid
In your situation I'd fabricate a steel banjo and blend the welds in so it would look identical to the original, a coat of paint will hide all evidence and you'll end up with a far stronger banjo than the original.
?That is, if you can't find an original replacement. Just my 2 cents on it, but then I'm known to hate alumicrap. Glen |
Lot 4 Change Gear Plate & Casting New Part
Ebay Boy
after months of carefully chipping concrete and paint off the brass plate i’ve finally revealed the data. i’ve also made wax copies of the change gear banjo as mine is split. it’s shown superglued (so i could mould it) obviously an aluminium cast isn’t going to be as good but it’s the best i can achieve with the tools available.?
I’m surprised to find metric threading data! it’s the very plate that was on my lathes side door.? i can’t imagine it’s original? Dennis mentioned a few years ago my Lot 4 has a 24 lead maybe someone can look at brass plate or the text i’ve copied from it and let me know if it’s correct for my lathe.? |
Re: Did you guys know
Here’s photos of a Dalton adding machine that’s on eBay currently.?
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Re: Did you guys know
开云体育I have one, a Dalton adding machine, that is.? I’d post a picture, just for fun, if I knew how. ? Eric Grim Spokane ? Sent from for Windows ? |
Re: Did you guys know
开云体育I had a Doctor in Hillsboro years ago that had a really nice Dalton adding machine of some kind on display in his waiting room. According to Gay Howards biography of Hubert Dalton he? never owned a business machine mfg. company.? He did have a hand tool company and also a company that grew Flowers. Growing flowers was one of Hubert’s hobbies in later years when he was in Hawaii he raised flowers there as he could grow them year around. I actually drove by his estate in Hawaii but did not know it at the time I was there.?? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Grey Pilgrim via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 8:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] Did you guys know ? there was a Dalton Adding Machine Company at about the same time? https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/search/object/nmah_690126 ? ? ? ? ? |
Re: Did you guys know
Glen Linscheid
"After complex business dealings, including intervention from other adding machine manufacturers, James L. Dalton (1866-1926) acquired exclusive rights to manufacture machines under the Hopkins patents"
?Says "James L. Dalton (1866-1926) acquired exclusive right to manufacture machines under the Hopkins patents" ? ?But Dalton's first name was Hubert, " (1866--1952) was English by birth and the first born of eleven children." (From Lathes.Uk) Probably a coincidence that Hubert and James had the same birth year though. I know Hubert had many other businesses but office machines don't seem to be part of the array. Glen |
Re: New to me Lot 3 needs a cross slide part
开云体育Hi Dan?? I have always been able to respond to a post just cant start a new one or even access the site.? Will see if I can sign up as a new member with a new pass word.? I hate pass words as you can tell? ?So when are you and Glen going to come and haul off a bunch of my lathes?? I have to have some thing you really need or just want.? Glen has been after the little Barberstown shaper I have also have a Boynton and Plumber shaper built in 1885.? Sold two Atlas shapers one SB shaper and the Ammco shaper.? Shapers are easy to sell old lathes not so much. ?Dennis. ? Sent from for Windows ? From: DanLins
Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2022 6:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] New to me Lot 3 needs a cross slide part ? Dennis, I've looked around and see no way for me to locate or reset your password. If you've lost it, and failed in attempts to log in, it should prompt you with an option to reset it yourself. ? |