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Oiling Dalton Six
Hello, all,
My Dalton Six has oil locations covered by a circle or grommet of metal with a rather large ball, spring loaded, in the center to cap the hole. ?These caps are bigger than the modern versions, which look like tiny ball bearings and can be serviced with a standard pumper oil can with the small pointed spout on the end. ?These spouts are too small for the larger caps on the Dalton, with the result that when I try to oil the machine, half the oil squirts all over the outside, with only a small amount (if that) actually getting inside where it belongs. Does anybody have a picture of the proper oilcan spout for a Dalton system? ?Or better, a brand of oil can or aftermarket spout ?that actually fits properly? ?I've tried to make a spout on the lathe, with indifferent success. ?It still leaks. |
Re: My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc
It does sound like I will need a Second Lathe to help restoring this one so I might be buying my Chinese Lathe after all, I can't help being apprehensive about restoring my Lathe as this is more for someone with an Engineering background. On another note that is very interesting to find my Lathe was built to have a Countershaft Assembly attachment like your friend, I wouldn't mind something like that for mine but they are going to be as rare as Hen's Teeth. There's a Lot 2 Lathe on Ebay ? It's been cleaned up but its minus it's casings and appears to have teeth missing out of the Backgear, but I'm no expert to really comment on it's condition.
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Re: My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc
开云体育Good Morning Bryan ? As to Japanning here is what it is.? Jappaning is a process I think we got from the Japan back in the 1700’s.? Its made of two parts pure gum turpentine two parts boiled linseed oil and one part Asfaltom or asfalt which is the black mineral used as a pigment for color.? Other pigments could be used also for different colors.? The thick liquid is brushed on and let air dry over two days.? In that time the coating will lay out very flat covering a lot of the casting grain and flaws.?? Something that pain of any kind does not do.? After the coating has dried it will be baked three times each time at higher temps the last being 350 to 400 degrees.? Between baking the castings or parts will be rubbed with pumes powder using cheese cloth to hold the powder.?? Some companies used a bit of pine tree rosin as a hardener.??? In my restorations I have usually used semi gloss Rustolium paint first brushing on several coats then a final coat with a rattle can.? In my early work I only brushed the paint.? On machines I have restored that are not black I have used a Pittsburge enamel that I have custom mixed.? In later ones I have found a place in town that will put the custom paint in rattle cans for me.? Kind of expensive but works really well. The last two Daltons I restored I did not paint them as I? have found that 65% gloss black powder coat replicates the look and texture of japanning much better than paint.? I do paint the bed as I don’t like to subject the bed to the high temps.? It might be noted that colors were very hard when using japanning.? I have a lathe built by Ames of Chicopee Ma. In 1845 that was japanned with blue on the lathe with a salmon color on the inside of the bed.? The lathe also had red pinstriping on it.? Blue was a very difficult color as the only pigment was kobalt and the only source of it was a mine in Romania up till the early 1890’s when a substatute was found. ?Picture is included in this post is that lathe.? Still looking for someone to do the pinstriping for me. This lathe was found in a antique shop in Boise Idaho two years ago.? It had been sitting in that shop since 2002 when the 91 year old owner passed on and the family took it to the shop.? Its one of five known of. ? As to restoration of your lathe that is up to you and we will help any way we can Bryan.? I always dismantle the lathe then using Mr. Muscle oven cleaner I strip the castings and parts of all old grease oil and paint or japanning.? I use a large soft power brush wheel to buff the castings and parts and only use white scotch bright pad to clean up machined surfaces.? I do any repair work on parts before I start painting. Again using the power brush wheel I buff all the hardware and small parts that are not painted.? If you use a cordless drill you can hold bolts nuts and other round parts to buff them.? Hand wheels and hand cranks I again use the cordless drill and after buffing I then go to my power scotch bright wheel I have on a stand grinder to bring back a nice luster that make things look like new parts.? I also have a large ?(12 inch) cloth polishing wheel that I use to put a high polish on hand cranks and hand wheel rims. ? Glen I think your correct in what the red material is that was used on the collet draw bars.? It’s a fiber or layered material.? I think that is the same material that was used on the trust washers on the spindle. ?
? Hope you guys don’t mind me getting off subject at times?? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Bryan Alton via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 9:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc ? [Edited Message Follows] Dennis i didn't think or realise my Lathe's Serial Number had any special significance, the earliest Lot 2 Lathe still in recorded existence, I've only sent that photograph so that you might Log my Lathe in your Data Entry of known Dalton Lathes as you don't appear to have done so previously. I wasn’t aware of the lugs on the back of the headstock either, I didn’t notice them even when photographing the Back Gears to the Rear of the Headstock, only being aware of them from Glenasking about them and then of their role by you, Dennis.? Moving on, can you recommend a cleaning method to spruce up my Lathe to something like those shown in your photos, I note Grey says my Lathe has been subject to Japanning, I don't really know? I might add that I acquired my Dalton Lathe by accident, I've very little if no Engineering experience to think of, I was looking for a Small, Mini Lathe, possible a new Chinese one or something like a Myford ML3 so I'm told. Anyway just a small Lathe that would fit in a corner of my garage, but I purchased the Dalton in shear panic without having any knowledge of these lathes or any other. After purchase I found details of this Website and I've been bumbling along from there on. The countershaft assembly was fixed (I believe I've mentioned this in an earlier correspondence), I've made two attempts at making a Clutch System for swapping over the belt drive, the first failed whereas the second which is built of wood!? appears to work affectively (I will publish photos of this when I'm satisfied everything works Ok). Even now I'm in two minds whether I should be restoring an old Lathe like this or not. ? ? |
Re: My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc
Dennis i didn't think or realise my Lathe's Serial Number had any special significance, the earliest Lot 2 Lathe still in recorded existence, I've only sent that photograph so that you might Log my Lathe in your Data Entry of known Dalton Lathes as you don't appear to have done so previously. I wasn’t aware of the lugs on the back of the headstock either, I didn’t notice them even when photographing the Back Gears to the Rear of the Headstock, only being aware of them from Glenasking about them and then of their role by you, Dennis.? Moving on, can you recommend a cleaning method to spruce up my Lathe to something like those shown in your photos, I note Grey says my Lathe has been subject to Japanning, I don't really know? I might add that I acquired my Dalton Lathe by accident, I've very little if no Engineering experience to think of, I was looking for a Small, Mini Lathe, possible a new Chinese one or something like a Myford ML3 so I'm told. Anyway just a small Lathe that would fit in a corner of my garage, but I purchased the Dalton in shear panic without having any knowledge of these lathes or any other. After purchase I found details of this Website and I've been bumbling along from there on. The countershaft assembly was fixed (I believe I've mentioned this in an earlier correspondence), I've made two attempts at making a Clutch System for swapping over the belt drive, the first failed whereas the second which is built of wood!? appears to work affectively (I will publish photos of this when I'm satisfied everything works Ok). Even now I'm in two minds whether I should be restoring an old Lathe like this or not. ? |
Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
ted beyer
I have one for sale as well, please contact me if any one is interested. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 2:00 PM Grey Pilgrim <pilgrim23@...> wrote: There is a lot 4? ?located in New York up for sale on eBay.? I already have a Lot 4 and would LOVE that custom draw bar but…? sigh…? Anyone looking for a nice lathe who has loot? see:? |
Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
Glen Linscheid
From Dennis; "
Its some kind of composite material. " Could it be gutta percha? It's the right color, and gutta percha was used in many products we use plastics for today. It seems to have a fibrous makeup, mine does anyway. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 3:25 PM Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
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Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
开云体育Bart the draw bar you mentioned is not custom but is in fact a Dalton original as the red hand wheel was what Dalton used.? Its some kind of composite material.? I was never able to identify what the red hand wheel was made from.? Dennis? Oh and here is another picture of the very rare early countershaft.? Its to bad Dalton did not continue with this design as it worked really well.? AS you see there is an adjustment feature so you can tighten the belt.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Dennis Turk
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 3:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] fyi Dalton on eBay ? Hi Bart.? OK that lathe restoration was a collaboration with myself and Dave Kirk of Glen Spay NY.? Dave is a good friend of mine that has picked crated and shipped to me? no less than five lathes and two vintage go karts.? Dave acquired a really nice 9 inch SB and the Dalton became surplus to his needs.? Actually he ran out of space in his little shop after I shipped him a Hardinge BB-4 horizontal mill that I had and sold it to him.? Dave and I have swapped parts many times.? The guy that has the Dalton? now purchased it just to resell and has never used it.? It’s a nice lathe with a few of my installed upgrades like? larger dial rings and such.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Grey Pilgrim ? There is a lot 4?? located in New York up for sale on eBay.? I already have a Lot 4 and would LOVE that custom draw bar but…? sigh…? Anyone looking for a nice lathe who has loot? see:? https://www.ebay.com/itm/133748956684 ? ? ? ? ? |
Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
开云体育glad to hear you are still here Mr Turk! ?wish my emails would make it through to you. ?I am not at all surprised that you knew this lathe; Almost every Dalton that has been restored has had the touch of the master. ?:)
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Re: My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc
开云体育So Bryan you seem to have the oldest Dalton known of.? Serial number 25 is owned by Jim Veres ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Bryan Alton via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 10:49 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc ? I’ve previously shown photo(s) of my Lathe, just a general front view but I'm now loading 4 more detailed photos of my Lathe, one identifies my lathe as a Lot 2, Serial No 23 as shown on the end of Lathe Bed. The other photos are of the Lathe End Gears, the Back Gears and a general Rear view of the Lathe from the end of the Lathe Bed. Anyway as far as I can tell after slowly turning all the Gears by hand it appears that they are all in tact, with no chipped or broken teeth. As you can see the Lathe could do with cleaning up and painting to look in far more presentable state, what would you recommend for this (a cleaning aid to bring it back to look like new condition if possible). ? |
Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
开云体育Hi Bart.? OK that lathe restoration was a collaboration with myself and Dave Kirk of Glen Spay NY.? Dave is a good friend of mine that has picked crated and shipped to me? no less than five lathes and two vintage go karts.? Dave acquired a really nice 9 inch SB and the Dalton became surplus to his needs.? Actually he ran out of space in his little shop after I shipped him a Hardinge BB-4 horizontal mill that I had and sold it to him.? Dave and I have swapped parts many times.? The guy that has the Dalton? now purchased it just to resell and has never used it.? It’s a nice lathe with a few of my installed upgrades like? larger dial rings and such.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Grey Pilgrim
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 11:00 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] fyi Dalton on eBay ? There is a lot 4?? located in New York up for sale on eBay.? I already have a Lot 4 and would LOVE that custom draw bar but…? sigh…? Anyone looking for a nice lathe who has loot? see:? https://www.ebay.com/itm/133748956684 ? ? ? ? |
Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
开云体育Glen I agree ?also, the fellow mentions Way damage. ?this shows he is honest
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Re: fyi Dalton on eBay
Glen Linscheid
I see what appears to b e scraping just above the "Dalton" cast name on the front of the apron, worthy of a request for information as to whether or not critical scraping refurb was done to the carriageways, the cross slide and other ways. If so it's probably worth every penny assuming it was done right. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:00 AM Grey Pilgrim <pilgrim23@...> wrote: There is a lot 4? ?located in New York up for sale on eBay.? I already have a Lot 4 and would LOVE that custom draw bar but…? sigh…? Anyone looking for a nice lathe who has loot? see:? |
Re: My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc
开云体育remains of original Japanning? ?that is an awesome lathe. ?Thanks
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My Lot 2 Lathe Identification photos etc
I’ve previously shown photo(s) of my Lathe, just a general front view but I'm now loading 4 more detailed photos of my Lathe, one identifies my lathe as a Lot 2, Serial No 23 as shown on the end of Lathe Bed. The other photos are of the Lathe End Gears, the Back Gears and a general Rear view of the Lathe from the end of the Lathe Bed. Anyway as far as I can tell after slowly turning all the Gears by hand it appears that they are all in tact, with no chipped or broken teeth. As you can see the Lathe could do with cleaning up and painting to look in far more presentable state, what would you recommend for this (a cleaning aid to bring it back to look like new condition if possible). |