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Re: Dalton Storage
开云体育Hi Ron? As to your Dalton and storage WD-40 is probably the worse thing you could possibly put on your Dalton.? That stuff is a water dispersal agents and does not protect anything. ?Great for English cars when you want them to start just spray the inside of your distributer and cap and bang it starts right up.? Greatest thing for the Brits to ever happen?)))) CR products make a bunch of great products and one is a spray for coating exposed metal surfaces.? Cant remember the name of it but check out the products at your local Nappa auto store. Dennis ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Ron Peeler
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 10:26 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] Dalton Storage ? I have been using my Dalton with the taper attachment for the last 16 years to make tapered Ferrules for the fifes I make.? I need room in the garage so I made enough taper ferrules to last me at least 5 to 8 years using up all but 6ft of my custom thick walled Nickle Silver tubing I had purchased.? I plan to move the Dalton to the shed.? What would be the best way to store?? I was thinking of cleaning it up, applying a light coat of WD40 and crating it up. ? Ron Peeler Fifes Moodus Ct ? |
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Wd40 will definitely not last more than a week or two. ?I’ve been had excellent results coating machine tools with lanolin. ?Wiped down the column on an antique delta drill press two years ago, and it’s still noticeable present. ?No rust at all in my unheated, humid shop in the Pacific Northwest rain forest environment.
carnuba auto wax ?likely to work also. thirdly, use saw dust and oil. ?couple of years ago, I bought a 1925 South Bend lathe that had been in unheated storage for 80 years. It was lightly coated with dried machine oil and saw dust - sitting out on a bench in an unheated garage. Perfect shape since last run in a wood shop in the 1940’s. Iam a now a believer in oil soaked saw dust as a storage medium - which was the original, old school recommended method for rust prevention. ?The ways had no pitting or rust, and didn’t see any rust until I cleaned it all up and let it sit for a winter. Glenn B. |
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Re: Dalton Parts
Hi Glenn, It is a base plate to mount work on, though someone is ahead of you. On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 7:30 PM glenn brooks <brooks.glenn@...> wrote:
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On Oct 21, 2020, at 4:08 PM, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
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开云体育Not working fully retired? now, sold the company last year so at 80 I figured it was time to slow down? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Marc Liebeskind
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 7:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Dalton Parts ? Thanks Dennis.? Someone named Rainer from Germany jyst contacted me. ? How are you?? Still working? ? On Wed, Oct 21, 2020, 10:33 AM Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@... wrote:
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开云体育Mark one of our Dalton friends was looking for a shifter expect to hear from him.? Don’t remember who but I am sure he will contact you.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Marc Liebeskind
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] Dalton Parts ? Hello,
Asking $25.00 plus shipping. ? ? |
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Re: Need help finding parts and literature
No I'm afraid there are no new bearings shells available.? One has to machine them from bronze if you need new ones.? ?
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 04:41:54 PM PDT, robert lawrence <bcbob@...> wrote:
Hi again You are right, had to remove there red washers to get the old? spindle to fit in the new lathe head, also both units have bronze bearings. ?can the right kind be obtained. Bob ? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Dennis Turk
Sent: October 13, 2020 3:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Need help finding parts and literature ? I also see there is no thrust washer again red fiber washer that goes between the spindle nose flange and the right side of the right side spindle bearing.? I also see that you? have bronze bearings rather than white metal so bearings have been replaced some time in its past history.? ? Dennis. ? On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 11:59:03 AM PDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: ? ? The first and third picture shows me a problem with the spindle.? The gear that is attached to the cone pulley on the spindle is not seated into the pulley properly.? I also wonder if this is because the thrust bearing or washer is missing that goes between the gear and the left hand spindle bearing flange.? ?Also there should be a thrust washer (red fiber) under the thrust adjusting nut on the left side of the left spindle bearing. ? On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 11:33:39 AM PDT, robert lawrence <bcbob@...> wrote: ? ? Hi Dennis ?Got some other pictures for your info. This was my original lathe ( with the drive system from my new unit, Also managed to find a gear that makes the chewed up shit lever? work forward and neutral ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Robert Lawrence? 226 376 7912 ? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From:
Dennis Turk ? Welcome to the Group Sergey ? OK so you have a Dalton that's great:-)? The Lot 4 started production early to mid 1914 and ran till the end of production in 1929.? Change gears are going to be a little hard to come by as I have sold off almost all the extra ones I had. Change gears are 20 pitch 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and you can get them from Boston gear or Browning gear but they are expensive.? In the past both Boston and Browning sold change gears with three different bore sizes but today they both only sell one bore size and don't remember right now what that is so you may have to bush any gear you purchase.? Let us know what gears you do have and I will see if I have any left that you could use.? I do have a few Boston gears that are direct replacements. ? I also have some replica replacement bolts so again let me know what size and length you need and will see what I have left.? Bolts and other fasteners are standard size the only thing different is the shape and size of the hex head.? Dalton made there own? bolts and screws. ? As for the cross slide extension casting for attaching the taper attachment slider to the cross slide you will? have to make one as almost all the taper attachments we know of that part is missing.? I have three taper attachments and only one original connector casting.? Will post a picture of what it looks like. ? As for literature check out Lathes UK on the internet as Tony Griffith has some information and history on his site.? Oh and I wrote all the Dalton history for Tony about 20 years ago.? I also have a collection of literature on the Daltons but its just sales literature nothing in the way of any manuals have ever been found.? I also have the only stock of replacement parts but over the last 20 years most of the needed parts are gone.? Let me know any specific part and will see what I have.? I have a number of Lot 4 parts lathes. Understand that Dalton lathe parts usually don't interchange from one lathe to another as they were basically hand built so things like aprons and a few other parts just don't interchange from one lathe to another. ? As to finish on original Dalton lathes they were coated with Japanning and did not survive very well.? So if your lathe is in original finish it will be japanning not really paint.? Japanning was two parts pure gum turpentine two parts boiled linseed oil and one part powdered asphalt.? It was brushed on individual parts then the parts were baked three times with the last time at near 400 degrees.? So if you have ever seen a black Singer Sawing machine Singer was a master at Japanning. The finish did not hold up will with UV and oil soaked badly.? The color is a semi gloss black and most of us have used semi gloss black Rustolium paint on our Daltons.? I have restored two Daltons using powder coat that turns out to be as close to the original finish as I have ever found.? I used 65% gloss black powder. ? The picture is of a Lot 6 Dalton but all lot numbers used the same taper attachment and link casting.? Also all Daltons used the same size T slot in the compound for the tool post and also all Daltons from the Lot 4 to the Dalton 9 the distance from the top of the compound to the spindle center is the same so all Daltons used the same tool post. If you go to a modern tool post the OXA size quick change tool post is the best size.? As you get your lathe running we can talk more about what tool holders and insert tooling to use ? Dennis. ? On Saturday, October 3, 2020, 07:37:27 PM PDT, SGK <sgermanov@...> wrote: ? ? Greetings! I am looking for gears and any literature for my recent purchase. I came across an add on CL for a Dalton 6 Lot 4 for an amazing price, however it was fully disassembled
by the previous owner, who intended to restore it. I intend to do the same, but before starting i reassembled it to make sure there are no missing parts. and other than a few bolts, it is in great condition. The bed, cross-slide and compound slide still have
“fish scales” finish, the acme threads and nuts are near perfect, and there is very little rust. It comes with a taper cutting attachment, I am however missing the cross slide piece.? ? ? |
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开云体育Hi again You are right, had to remove there red washers to get the old? spindle to fit in the new lathe head, also both units have bronze bearings. ?can the right kind be obtained. Bob ? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From: Dennis Turk
Sent: October 13, 2020 3:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Need help finding parts and literature ? I also see there is no thrust washer again red fiber washer that goes between the spindle nose flange and the right side of the right side spindle bearing.? I also see that you? have bronze bearings rather than white metal so bearings have been replaced some time in its past history.? ? Dennis. ? On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 11:59:03 AM PDT, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@...> wrote: ? ? The first and third picture shows me a problem with the spindle.? The gear that is attached to the cone pulley on the spindle is not seated into the pulley properly.? I also wonder if this is because the thrust bearing or washer is missing that goes between the gear and the left hand spindle bearing flange.? ?Also there should be a thrust washer (red fiber) under the thrust adjusting nut on the left side of the left spindle bearing. ? On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 11:33:39 AM PDT, robert lawrence <bcbob@...> wrote: ? ? Hi Dennis ?Got some other pictures for your info. This was my original lathe ( with the drive system from my new unit, Also managed to find a gear that makes the chewed up shit lever? work forward and neutral ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Robert Lawrence? 226 376 7912 ? ? Sent from for Windows 10 ? From:
Dennis Turk ? Welcome to the Group Sergey ? OK so you have a Dalton that's great:-)? The Lot 4 started production early to mid 1914 and ran till the end of production in 1929.? Change gears are going to be a little hard to come by as I have sold off almost all the extra ones I had. Change gears are 20 pitch 14 1/2 degree pressure angle and you can get them from Boston gear or Browning gear but they are expensive.? In the past both Boston and Browning sold change gears with three different bore sizes but today they both only sell one bore size and don't remember right now what that is so you may have to bush any gear you purchase.? Let us know what gears you do have and I will see if I have any left that you could use.? I do have a few Boston gears that are direct replacements. ? I also have some replica replacement bolts so again let me know what size and length you need and will see what I have left.? Bolts and other fasteners are standard size the only thing different is the shape and size of the hex head.? Dalton made there own? bolts and screws. ? As for the cross slide extension casting for attaching the taper attachment slider to the cross slide you will? have to make one as almost all the taper attachments we know of that part is missing.? I have three taper attachments and only one original connector casting.? Will post a picture of what it looks like. ? As for literature check out Lathes UK on the internet as Tony Griffith has some information and history on his site.? Oh and I wrote all the Dalton history for Tony about 20 years ago.? I also have a collection of literature on the Daltons but its just sales literature nothing in the way of any manuals have ever been found.? I also have the only stock of replacement parts but over the last 20 years most of the needed parts are gone.? Let me know any specific part and will see what I have.? I have a number of Lot 4 parts lathes. Understand that Dalton lathe parts usually don't interchange from one lathe to another as they were basically hand built so things like aprons and a few other parts just don't interchange from one lathe to another. ? As to finish on original Dalton lathes they were coated with Japanning and did not survive very well.? So if your lathe is in original finish it will be japanning not really paint.? Japanning was two parts pure gum turpentine two parts boiled linseed oil and one part powdered asphalt.? It was brushed on individual parts then the parts were baked three times with the last time at near 400 degrees.? So if you have ever seen a black Singer Sawing machine Singer was a master at Japanning. The finish did not hold up will with UV and oil soaked badly.? The color is a semi gloss black and most of us have used semi gloss black Rustolium paint on our Daltons.? I have restored two Daltons using powder coat that turns out to be as close to the original finish as I have ever found.? I used 65% gloss black powder. ? The picture is of a Lot 6 Dalton but all lot numbers used the same taper attachment and link casting.? Also all Daltons used the same size T slot in the compound for the tool post and also all Daltons from the Lot 4 to the Dalton 9 the distance from the top of the compound to the spindle center is the same so all Daltons used the same tool post. If you go to a modern tool post the OXA size quick change tool post is the best size.? As you get your lathe running we can talk more about what tool holders and insert tooling to use ? Dennis. ? On Saturday, October 3, 2020, 07:37:27 PM PDT, SGK <sgermanov@...> wrote: ? ? Greetings! I am looking for gears and any literature for my recent purchase. I came across an add on CL for a Dalton 6 Lot 4 for an amazing price, however it was fully disassembled
by the previous owner, who intended to restore it. I intend to do the same, but before starting i reassembled it to make sure there are no missing parts. and other than a few bolts, it is in great condition. The bed, cross-slide and compound slide still have
“fish scales” finish, the acme threads and nuts are near perfect, and there is very little rust. It comes with a taper cutting attachment, I am however missing the cross slide piece.? ? ? |
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