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Re: Confirming this is a Dalton
开云体育What you have is a Dalton 10 ? inch.? These were under development when the company failed in 1929 we think.? Yours is the third one I have seen.? It would help if you would include your name in your post so I can keep track of who has what especially these rare models.??? So number one what is the size of the threading lead screw.? I am going to guess its 1 inch 8. How I knew it was a 10 inch is the four bolt head stock bearing caps.? This head stock is much like the head stock on the Lot 1 combination machine. Also your picture of the back side of the apron is different than all other Daltons.? The half nuts are wider and the clutch is a bit different.? Other than that it looks l much like a Lot 6 or a Dalton 9 inch. ??What are you missing from the lathe if any?? Dennis ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of gmciver@... ? Hello, I've posted pictures on here a couple years ago trying to identify my lathe but didn't succeed. there are no stamped marking on it on the end of the bed as usual. I found one piece behind the apron that says dalton and a couple other pieces with random letters and numbers. I have begun restoring the lathe so I'm once again looking to identify it, it looks comparable to the Dalton lathes that are said to be produced at the end of the companies life and have no stamps on them. looks like there was a round tag on it at one time and was painted grey or white at one time. pictures attached? |
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Confirming this is a Dalton
Hello, I've posted pictures on here a couple years ago trying to identify my lathe but didn't succeed. there are no stamped marking on it on the end of the bed as usual. I found one piece behind the apron that says dalton and a couple other pieces with random letters and numbers. I have begun restoring the lathe so I'm once again looking to identify it, it looks comparable to the Dalton lathes that are said to be produced at the end of the companies life and have no stamps on them. looks like there was a round tag on it at one time and was painted grey or white at one time. pictures attached?
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DALTON B 6 LATHE
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My name is Alan I inherited a Dalton B 6 lathe and am going to go through the restoration process, I am a mechanic by trade and am not a machinist. I received this from an uncle who purchased it from the U.S. Navy. He was a machinist mate and learned his military trade on a Dalton lathe in the 1930's. My uncle used to make things on this lathe for my bicycles, go karts and motorcycles. I am hoping that there is some operator/repair manuals available so I can restore and use this lathe. Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Alan |
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
开云体育Nice looking shop made front spindle bearing Andrea.? Also that dial ring tells me that the lathe is setup for metric am I correct.? If so check the threading lead screw it might also be? metric that maybe why there is no keyway in it as it may have come from some other small lathe. To our knowledge Dalton never made a metric version of there lathe.? I got a Lot 2 out of Holland years ago and it was still inch.? Oh that thing had been through two world wars and it had damage from explosives I could tell.? Boy was that old girl in sad shape. Makes yours like almost new? ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Dria72 via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 1:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] A Dalton lathe in Italy ? Hi,? ? 6 yes, my tail stock needs lot of pieces... My opinion is that the lead screw is not original, the thread at the back is metric (M8). Andrea ? ? |
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
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So I have a mixed lathe :-)? Thank you so much for your answers! I got to work on it these days... Here you are some more pictures and what you asked Dennis: 1 yes, that pipe seems a protection for the lead screw.? 2 actually both front and rear bearings are bronze, they look like have run without oil for a while...and maybe worse, someone fitted a greaser instead of oiler on the caps. The spindle seems to me in good shape . 3 unfortunately yes, all them are missing, I'll try to fit four allen head screws. 4 correct , the latest date is 1022 5 I took a couple of pictures of it disassembled 6 yes, my tail stock needs lot of pieces... My opinion is that the lead screw is not original, the thread at the back is metric (M8).
Andrea7 the odd thing is a bolt (seems a DIY solution) . There is a pass through hole threaded, the bolt pushes down against the lower plate that holds the saddle down on the way. I have a picture. 8 yes, it is the attachment for the counter shaft. For sure not original, the hinge for the change gears cover is welded on that attachment. 9 I don't see other than the key slot at the back of the spindle...could be also this changed during the past years? Who knows.? Thanks again and good night, here in Italy it's 10pm :-) |
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
开云体育OK Andrea I have looked over? your photos more closely and here is what I have found. 1 have no idea of what the fitting on the left side of the apron is that looks like a tube over the lead screw. ?Looks to be some sort of a guard to keep chips off the lead screw. ? 2 it looks like you have a bronze front spindle bearing but the standard looking Babbitt bearing at the rear. ? 3 I see your missing all the spindle bearing cap? attaching screws. ? 4 Question what is the last patent date on your patent tag?? Should be 1922. ? 5 The cross slide dial ring is not a standard Dalton item and also there is a dial ring on the compound slide were as Dalton never had a dial ring on the compound on a Lot 2 3 4 or 5 lathe. ? 6 Looks like? your missing the screw in bushing and hand wheel for the tail stock as well as the woodruff key and attaching nut. ? 7 Question one the left rear saddle wing there is an odd looking fitting that is not something Dalton would have installed can you tell us what its for? ? 8 I see a fitting on the rear of the bed just below the back gear.? I assume this is a pivot point attachment for a counter shaft. ? 9 Also you mentioned that the gear on the end of the spindle was missing.? That gear is fit on assembly and if you look at your spindle you will see One a keyway and two half of a small screw thread.? When Dalton installed the gear on the spindle they then drilled and tapped between? the gear and the spindle and screwed in a small set screw or grub screw not knowing what Italians call them. The set screw was installed to lock the gear in place. ? The lathe looks to have seen heavy use in it s life.? Also some modifications as well as poor house keeping.? Original color would have been a semi gloss black japanned finish. ??I am including a photo of what your lathe looked like brand new.? Also a picture of the back side of the apron so you can see if you have all the parts to yours.? This is a model just like yours that was in like new condition when I found it and then restored it to original glory? ? Dalton offered different floor mounting bases for the lathe. A simple set of legs. A small cabinet leg under the head stock and a simple leg under the tail stock.? The deluxe cabinet that you see in the picture above.? They also made the lathe as a peddle lathe but that was not a very successful version as I have one and they are a devil to run. ? I hope this helps a little Andrea.? If you have any other questions? please ask I have a huge number of photos so can usually show you what you need to see.? Have a great evening Andrea.
Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Dennis Turk
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 7:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] A Dalton lathe in Italy ? Good Evening Andrea.? Must be as its 7 in the morning here in Oregon USA.? As to your Dalton yes it has the lot 5 apron with the clutch knob.? Its really odd that it does not have the lead screw without the keyway.? This tells me that your lathe maybe a mix of parts from different years or models.? No keyway means the lead screw came from a Lot 3 or 4 model. I will look over your photos more closely and see if I can help you.? Oh and you’re the first Dalton to show up in Italy so now we have Daltons in the UK, France the Netherlands, Canada, Australia and now Italy. ?Would we not like to know the stories your lathe could tell us in? how it made its way to Italy? ? Dennis ? ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Dria72 via groups.io ? Hi there, this is the my first attempt in creating a new topic, hope I'm doing it correct. ? ? |
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
开云体育Good Evening Andrea.? Must be as its 7 in the morning here in Oregon USA.? As to your Dalton yes it has the lot 5 apron with the clutch knob.? Its really odd that it does not have the lead screw without the keyway.? This tells me that your lathe maybe a mix of parts from different years or models.? No keyway means the lead screw came from a Lot 3 or 4 model. I will look over your photos more closely and see if I can help you.? Oh and you’re the first Dalton to show up in Italy so now we have Daltons in the UK, France the Netherlands, Canada, Australia and now Italy. ?Would we not like to know the stories your lathe could tell us in? how it made its way to Italy? ? Dennis ? ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Dria72 via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] A Dalton lathe in Italy ? Hi there, this is the my first attempt in creating a new topic, hope I'm doing it correct. ? |
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
开云体育Wonderful to see these lathes continue to turn up. ?A pre 1915 lathe suggests it saw service in the Great War. ?Dennis May know more...The black is almost certainly Japanning. ?Jappening in the context of early early day 1915 ?lathes was a mixture of linseed oil, small amount of kerosene as a solvent, and Asphaltium. ?Asphaltium is a mineral mined in those days in a few locations in the Western US. When mixed with kerosene and lindseed oil is was reduced by heating to a liquid then painted or sprayed on the surface and baked in an oven at just under 400* F. ?Repeat three times to build up the surface thickness, and you have a crystaline, non porous surface where the mineral content interlocks to seal against water intrusion. Hence a very effective rust inhibitor. Widely used for machine tool coatings and latter by Henry ford as an undercoater in his early day automobile factories. Glenn? On Jan 27, 2022, at 2:55 PM, Dria72 via <andre.par@...> wrote:
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
Well, I actually found at least three/four layers of different paint when started to disassemble and clean the lathe.
The first layer is black (japanning ? ) , then there is a thick layer of brown, than a light grey and at last the green. Scraping the change gear cover I found maybe the model of the lathe, the brass plate reports a generic seven inches lathe but there is actually another write hidden underside that claims TYPE B-4 (see picture for a better understanding). As you can see from the pictures, the tail stock is missing its back cover and the hand wheel as well so I guess should machining a new one. Does anybody has a picture or drawing of the missing piece (with dimensions would be great) ? Is there any bearing? Thanks, ciao Andrea |
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Re: Dalton identification
开云体育Looking at your pictures again and our lathe has a Lot 3 compound slide so this lathe was made early to mid 1914.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: Dennis Turk
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 1:35 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Dalton identification ? Your lathe is a lot 4 and with the patent tag on the tail stock it is also a pre 1915 made machine.? Lot 5 lathes came out in 1922.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: ted beyer ? All, I have a dalton?lather that was passed from grandfather ( a tool and die maker ) to father and now to me. Unfortunately?I? have a woodworking business and generally do not do metal working . So I will be selling the lathe in the near future, but am having trouble identifying the unit and assigning a value. I have attached a few pic hoping identification could be made. I am thinking its a Lot 5 from the little checking? id did. I do not see any stamped number on the end of the bed ways and there is no other name plates other than the pat number plate.? Any help would be appreciated. Also if there is a way to post messages to the group on the Groups. io page? please let me know or is email the only form of group sharing? Thanks T ? ? |
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Re: Dalton identification
开云体育Your lathe is a lot 4 and with the patent tag on the tail stock it is also a pre 1915 made machine.? Lot 5 lathes came out in 1922.? Dennis ? Sent from for Windows ? From: ted beyer
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DaltonLathes] Dalton identification ? All, I have a dalton?lather that was passed from grandfather ( a tool and die maker ) to father and now to me. Unfortunately?I? have a woodworking business and generally do not do metal working . So I will be selling the lathe in the near future, but am having trouble identifying the unit and assigning a value. I have attached a few pic hoping identification could be made. I am thinking its a Lot 5 from the little checking? id did. I do not see any stamped number on the end of the bed ways and there is no other name plates other than the pat number plate.? Any help would be appreciated. Also if there is a way to post messages to the group on the Groups. io page? please let me know or is email the only form of group sharing? Thanks T ? |
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Re: A Dalton lathe in Italy
开云体育That’s the same color my Dalton Lot 5 was painted. Odd, I always thought a previous owner had painted it that color.?Ryan Manchester, MA On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 PM, Dria72 via groups.io <andre.par@...> wrote:
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