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Re: New thread dials

Dennis Turk
 

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Hi again
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I forgot one thing.? This dial fits the Lot 2 3 4 and 5 B-4 lathes.? It also fits the Lot 6 B-6 lathe and also the Dalton 9 inch lathe.? It does not fit the combination machine.
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Turk

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [daltonlathes] New thread dials

Hi All

OK if you look at the photo section under thread dial you will see the thread dials I have been promising for two years. the one with the steel gear is an original that came with one of my lathes. The new one has a bronze gear rather than a steel gear. You will also see that the original was not adjustable as the gear was fixed to the shaft with a set screw. The new one is completely adjustable. The three originals I have the wittiness mark on the body is in different places on all three. What we did was provide a hole in the face of the dial were you can insert a 1/16 drill bit shank and it will engage a hole in the body. You will see that the number one is lined up with the wittiness mark. After you install the Dali in you lathe leave the self locking nut on the bottom of the gear a little lose and insert the drill shank in to the hole lining the dial up with number one position. Now move the saddle till the half nuts engage. Now move the gear into position on the lead screw and tighten the nut on the gear. Your thread dial is now aliened to your lathe. If it were to be moved to another lathe you would be able to adjust it to fit that lathe also.

You will see that I am providing a new correct bolt to secure the thread dial to the apron.

If any of you guys wont one of these they are $80 plus shipping. Email me at dennis.turk2 at verizon.net and I will put your name on the list. Out of the first assembled batch of six dials three have been spoken for so I have three left that can ship out as soon as payment arrives.

Thanks and again sorry this took SO long.

Dennis Turk
Re: New thread dials

Dennis Turk
 

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 2:45 PM
Subject: [daltonlathes] New thread dials

Hi All

OK if you look at the photo section under thread dial you will see the thread dials I have been promising for two years. the one with the steel gear is an original that came with one of my lathes. The new one has a bronze gear rather than a steel gear. You will also see that the original was not adjustable as the gear was fixed to the shaft with a set screw. The new one is completely adjustable. The three originals I have the wittiness mark on the body is in different places on all three. What we did was provide a hole in the face of the dial were you can insert a 1/16 drill bit shank and it will engage a hole in the body. You will see that the number one is lined up with the wittiness mark. After you install the Dali in you lathe leave the self locking nut on the bottom of the gear a little lose and insert the drill shank in to the hole lining the dial up with number one position. Now move the saddle till the half nuts engage. Now move the gear into position on the lead screw and tighten the nut on the gear. Your thread dial is now aliened to your lathe. If it were to be moved to another lathe you would be able to adjust it to fit that lathe also.

You will see that I am providing a new correct bolt to secure the thread dial to the apron.

If any of you guys wont one of these they are $80 plus shipping. Email me at dennis.turk2 at verizon.net and I will put your name on the list. Out of the first assembled batch of six dials three have been spoken for so I have three left that can ship out as soon as payment arrives.

Thanks and again sorry this took SO long.

Dennis Turk
New thread dials

Dennis Turk
 

Hi All

OK if you look at the photo section under thread dial you will see the thread dials I have been promising for two years. the one with the steel gear is an original that came with one of my lathes. The new one has a bronze gear rather than a steel gear. You will also see that the original was not adjustable as the gear was fixed to the shaft with a set screw. The new one is completely adjustable. The three originals I have the wittiness mark on the body is in different places on all three. What we did was provide a hole in the face of the dial were you can insert a 1/16 drill bit shank and it will engage a hole in the body. You will see that the number one is lined up with the wittiness mark. After you install the Dali in you lathe leave the self locking nut on the bottom of the gear a little lose and insert the drill shank in to the hole lining the dial up with number one position. Now move the saddle till the half nuts engage. Now move the gear into position on the lead screw and tighten the nut on the gear. Your thread dial is now aliened to your lathe. If it were to be moved to another lathe you would be able to adjust it to fit that lathe also.

You will see that I am providing a new correct bolt to secure the thread dial to the apron.

If any of you guys wont one of these they are $80 plus shipping. Email me at dennis.turk2 at verizon.net and I will put your name on the list. Out of the first assembled batch of six dials three have been spoken for so I have three left that can ship out as soon as payment arrives.

Thanks and again sorry this took SO long.

Dennis Turk
Re: Dalton thread dial gear being made

Dennis Turk
 

Darn this softwear will not allow me to upload a vidio. Email me and I will send it to you.

Turk

--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

Hi guys

Just though you mite like to see how we are putting the gear teeth on the Dalton thread dial gears. The work is being done in one of our 5 axis vertical machining centers at Turk Mfg. I will post them to the photo section. If that does not work email me at dennis.turk2 at verizon.net and I will send them to you in an email.

Enjoy.

Turk
Dalton thread dial gear being made

Dennis Turk
 

Hi guys

Just though you mite like to see how we are putting the gear teeth on the Dalton thread dial gears. The work is being done in one of our 5 axis vertical machining centers at Turk Mfg. I will post them to the photo section. If that does not work email me at dennis.turk2 at verizon.net and I will send them to you in an email.

Enjoy.

Turk
dalton lathe chuck

butch
 

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I have a dalton six type 4-b lathe and I am in need of chuck, can you help me ?
Re: Thread dials

Dennis Turk
 

I forgot that this site cuts off email addresses so we will do it this way.

dennis.turk2 at verizon.net

Turk.

--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:

Hi Guys

I was up at my business last Friday and by golly what did I see but Dalton thread dial gears having their teeth cut on one of the new five axis CNC mills. Only took two years.

We made up parts for 24 threading dials but I only have six bodies assembled and ready to go. We also made a batch of the special square head bolts that hold the dial to the apron. We will include a mounting bolt with each dial.

Looks like they are going to cost $85 plus shipping so if you would like one email me at.

dennis.turk2@...

The first six guys get one from the first batch. I am having a friend assembly the bodies so all I have to do is give Ratshooter the word and he will get the rest of the bodies assembled and painted and sent up to me and I will install the gear and ship them out.

Sorry this took sooooooo long but good things never happen quickly.

Dennis Turk
Thread dials

Dennis Turk
 

Hi Guys

I was up at my business last Friday and by golly what did I see but Dalton thread dial gears having their teeth cut on one of the new five axis CNC mills. Only took two years.

We made up parts for 24 threading dials but I only have six bodies assembled and ready to go. We also made a batch of the special square head bolts that hold the dial to the apron. We will include a mounting bolt with each dial.

Looks like they are going to cost $85 plus shipping so if you would like one email me at.

dennis.turk2@...

The first six guys get one from the first batch. I am having a friend assembly the bodies so all I have to do is give Ratshooter the word and he will get the rest of the bodies assembled and painted and sent up to me and I will install the gear and ship them out.

Sorry this took sooooooo long but good things never happen quickly.

Dennis Turk
need a chuck

walter austin/BUTCH
 

i have Dalton six type 4-B and i am in need off a chuck. can anyone help me?
Re: Dalton in St Charles Mo

 

Can't wait to see pic's of the inside of the planetary drive!
Dalton in St Charles Mo

Dennis Turk
 

Hi All

Well we found and saved another Dalton. This time its a Lot 4 36
inch mounted on a head stock cabinet and a tail stock leg. The Lot 4
was equipped with the overhead bed mounted planetary drive we have
seen so many images of but few complete units. This is the drive
that has a large planetary gear set and two clutches. The clutch
handle is mounted on the face of the silent chain guard and actuates
the forward and reveres clutch that are mounted on the counter
shaft. The Lathe came out of ITT technical institute apparently. It
has all the ear marks of a school lathe. Yellow painted handles and
topical compound and cross slide damage.

Todd Young of St Louis Mo picked up the lathe for me. for doing all
this Todd gets to keep the lathe but he is shipping me the overhead
drive parts. These are the parts that were taken off the lathe you
see on Andy Sargents Dalton site home page. That lathe by the way
has not cut a chip since before 1922 when it had its drive removed
and taken to a class room at USLA school of engineering in Ca. The
lathe you see on Andy's web site is the very first Dalton restored
and was the only one I knew of for several years until I ran into
Andy Sargent as he had one.

Seams these lathes of old Hubert's just keep falling out of the wood
work.

On another note Gay Taylor the lady that gave Andy and I the
biography she had written about Hubert settled another mystery. WE
have lathes with Sound Beach on them as well as South Beach. Gay
told us that Hubert Dalton had an office in NY but the manufacturing
plant was in Sound Beach, Fairfield County, CN,

Here is a note from another email I got from Gay.

1. Sound Beach vs. South Beach, CN..... I can't explain, other than
perhaps Dalton had a couple of facilities where he manufactured metal
parts for his lathes, or perhaps he purchased them from a sub-
contractor. I found references in the web for South Beach in New
London County, CN, but unfortunately I just can't explain this.

2. My reference to Greenwich, CN below should read Old Greenwich -
This is where Hubert Peck (nephew of Hubert Dalton) was born and
raised. Hubert Dalton's sister Geraldine Dalton lived here with her
husband, John Ferris Peck. The Peck family has a long and notable
ancestry in Fairfield County, CN. Hubert Dalton was involved in a
couple of events in Old Greenwich, CN:

a) He donated the manse for the paster of the First Congregational
Church (I believe) of Old Greenwich, CN.

b) He built a plant here at one time, which he later sold to the
Electrolux company for their mfg. facility.
see:
see: for reference to the
Electrolux factory previously being owned by Dalton Lathe & Tool
Company. See the paragraph that begins, "In late 1933,
Electrolux ...... buildings previously owned by the Dalton Lathe &
Tool Company......

Just some more interesting Dalton History

Dennis Turk
Re: Dalton Lathe for Sale

Dennis Turk
 

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Hi All
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Joe sent me a picture?of the Lot 6 Dalton he has.? He knew very little about them so I?gave his some links so he could see a little history about the brand.? The price is fair that he is asking.? Again?the Lot 2 3 4 and 5 lathes use 20 pitch change gears that are very had to come by.? Were as the Lot 6 and 8 use fairly standard change gears but Joe's does not have any with the lathe.? They are 16 pitch 1/2 inch wide and use many of the same gears that the early South Bend 9 inch does.? There are a couple of odd ball gears in there set but these can be gotten from Boston Gear or Browning who still make change gears.?The?odd ball tooth numbers?used by?Dalton Lot 6 and 8 lathes are 30 and 35 tooth gear.? These gears tooth numbers?are not found in SB Logan or Sheldon change gears sets. If early SB change gears are used you will have to bore out the center hole and broach a new keyway as SB used a 9/16 bore.? The Lot 6 and 8 use a gear with a 3/4 bore in them and that is all that Boston and Browning make anymore is 16 pitch change gears with 3/4 bore.? They used to make there gear sets with three or more bore sizes but now its just the larger size and you have to get there very expensive bushing to size them down.? I have no knowledge of the condition of the lathe that Joe has if one were in the area and interested I suggest that you stop by Joe's and take a look at it.
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Dennis Turk

----- Original Message -----
From: rafohio
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: [daltonlathes] Dalton Lathe for Sale

Hi, I was looking on Practical Machinist for some Logan Lathe parts,
and found this site: . Under "metalworking
machinery" there is a Dalton lathe for sale. I'm not sure if it is a
good price or not as some of their prices on their parts are rathr
high. I have nothing to do with this site...just thougt someone might
be interested. Thanks, Richard
Dalton Lathe for Sale

rafohio
 

Hi, I was looking on Practical Machinist for some Logan Lathe parts,
and found this site: www.plazamachinery.com. Under "metalworking
machinery" there is a Dalton lathe for sale. I'm not sure if it is a
good price or not as some of their prices on their parts are rathr
high. I have nothing to do with this site...just thougt someone might
be interested. Thanks, Richard
Re: Dalton TL lathe

callin john
 

It is Sound Beach. South Beach is a typo or a moment of dyslexia. Mine says Sound Beach also


--- On Wed, 1/21/09, rafohio wrote:
From: rafohio
Subject: [daltonlathes] Dalton TL lathe
To: daltonlathes@...
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 9:22 AM

New to group just got a Dalton TL. It has a 36in. bed, 20in. between
centers, 7in. swing, has a compound rest, tool post, a D.E. Whiton
chuck, head #3 taper, tailstock #2 taper, also has a countershaft but
not sure it is all there. On the end of bed is 10 158. I see that
Dalton was in South Beach Conn., but the brass plate for the feed
cutting table says Dalton Manufacturing Corp. Sound Beach Conn. Which
is correct? Any information would be appreciated. Thank You, Richard
Dalton TL lathe

rafohio
 

New to group just got a Dalton TL. It has a 36in. bed, 20in. between
centers, 7in. swing, has a compound rest, tool post, a D.E. Whiton
chuck, head #3 taper, tailstock #2 taper, also has a countershaft but
not sure it is all there. On the end of bed is 10 158. I see that
Dalton was in South Beach Conn., but the brass plate for the feed
cutting table says Dalton Manufacturing Corp. Sound Beach Conn. Which
is correct? Any information would be appreciated. Thank You, Richard
Hello!

 

I recently got my Dalton up and running. I was looking for manual's
for the lathe when i stumbled upon oldarn.com. I saw the link to here
so I thought i'd introduce myself.

I bought one a few years back on my Dad's advice. I paid $450 for
everything you see in the pictures (uploaded to the photo's folder
under my name: Aaron Nedd). My dad helped me fabricate a mounting
bracket for it as the existing one would not allow for changing of the
belt (too tight). The original motor was missing but it came with a
brand new one but no mounting for that either. So all the electrics
were replaced with modern stuff including switch.

Information on the lathe:

Obviously a Dalton Six. Type B-4. Swing 7 1/2" Length is 36" i
think. The end of the table says "Lot 5 No 294".

I'm glad to see there are still people out there that value these old
girls. Most of the tools in my woodworking shop are from the 1960's
or older as the quality back then was far superior.

thanks!

~Aaron Nedd
Leo, IN
Re: Combination Machine drive speed?

Dennis Turk
 

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Hi John
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The little B-4 Dalton setup the way the factory meant it would turn around 480 rpm.? Even the Lot 6 and? 8 machines did not turn over 700 so I would have to guess given the standard for that time period and the tooling available your machine would have turn 600 to 700 rpm.? Remember the best they had back then was tungsten high speed steel.? A lot of the tooling used back when?your machine was new was forged case hardened steel.? Given the bearings on the combination machine I would have to compare them to Flather and SB of the day and these lathe turned in the 700 rpm range.? Even the SB 13 inch never turned more than 875 up till production of it stopped in 1989.? I know today we would like to spin our old lathes a little faster but be careful running much higher.? The spindles are not all that hard and you dont have a constant lubrication system like the TL Dalton or South Bend lathes built after 1939.
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Turk

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] Combination Machine drive speed?

I'm curious as well. I know that my Combo runs too slow. I need to gear it up. Does anyone know what maximum RPMs should be. I think I can do the math and figure the pulley sizes? John

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Kelly <nox2743@blackfoot.net> wrote:
From: Kelly <nox2743@blackfoot.net>
Subject: [daltonlathes] Combination Machine drive speed?
To: daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:27 PM

I'm getting ready to get my Combo Machine going and need to know the
speed that the belt drive should run at. I have a 1750 rpm motor. I'll
have to use a pulley sized to match the motor rpm. Thanks for any help,
PK.
Re: Combination Machine drive speed?

callin john
 

I'm curious as well. I know that my Combo runs too slow. I need to gear it up. Does anyone know what maximum RPMs should be. I think I can do the math and figure the pulley sizes? John


--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Kelly wrote:
From: Kelly
Subject: [daltonlathes] Combination Machine drive speed?
To: daltonlathes@...
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:27 PM

I'm getting ready to get my Combo Machine going and need to know the
speed that the belt drive should run at. I have a 1750 rpm motor. I'll
have to use a pulley sized to match the motor rpm. Thanks for any help,
PK.
Combination Machine drive speed?

 

I'm getting ready to get my Combo Machine going and need to know the
speed that the belt drive should run at. I have a 1750 rpm motor. I'll
have to use a pulley sized to match the motor rpm. Thanks for any help,
PK.
Re: 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display

 

Please excuse my digital/electronic ignorance.? If it doesn't have a screw or can't be adjusted with a hammer, I am at a loss
Larry


--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Dennis Turk wrote:
From: Dennis Turk
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display
To: daltonlathes@...
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:03 PM

Verrrrrry nice Larry
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Your lathe is a lot 5 machine and would have been built after 1920 but before 1922.? In 1922 Dalton patent a special hinge for the end door on the TL model lathe.? That patent is present on any lathe built after 1921.? So I am going to say you have a low serial number.? Remember Dalton used a separate set of serial numbers for each Lot number of machine model. The lathe you see on my flicker site has the 1922 patent number but is serial number 263 so again is a low number as we have Lot 5 lathes with numbers?all the way to 6100.? Then ever time we think we have old Hubert figured out he throws us a curve.??
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You also have the bearing standards with the patent oiling system.? What I mean is your countershaft setup.? You have the cone pulley and the bearing standards that were part of the overhead countershaft that came with these lathes.? The only difference it what you have and what came with the lathe is your missing the forward and reveres clutches and the handle to actuate them.? If you look inside the bearings on the countershaft you will see a little ring about 1 1/2 inches in diameter that rotates on the shaft.? This is what brings the oil up from the reservoir under the bearing bore.? I have several of these and have yet to find any wear in any of them.? Some of the old induction repulsion motors used this same system for lubing the motor shaft bearings.? Only thing was Dalton patent the idea for line shaft bearings.? South Bend used a very similar bearing only they could not use the ring because of the Dalton patent so they cut a keyway in the bearing and passed a felt wick from one end to the other with the wick feeding down into the reservoir below the bearing.? I just got a 10 inch Champion lathe built by the Blower and Forge company of Lancaster Pa that has a different setup yet.? Champion used a flat spring to hold a felt wick up against the shaft in the center of the bearing.? This wick carried oil up from the reservoir below the bearing and as it ran out the end of the bearing it was collected in groove around the end of the casting and a drain back hole carried the overflow back to the reservoir.?? Lots of interesting things when it comes to all these old machines and all the ways they came up with to lube them.
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One other thing I would like all the guys that post pictures to think about.? Try and be kind to your dial up guys but reducing any picture files down to under 150KB as most of these guys on dial up there servers will reject very large files.
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Turk
----- Original Message -----
From: l leonard
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display

hi dennis
the halfnut lever is the third type, clamped with a slotted screw.? I have what looks like a clutch knob aka the old south bend design. I have attached some pix that may be helpful.
the jack shaft seems complete tho I lack a chaser dial.
Yours,
Larry


--- On Sun, 12/7/08, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> wrote:
From: Dennis Turk
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display
To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 11:23 AM

Hi Larry
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No its not important only tells me when the lathe was built.? So if you patent tag is on the change door then your lathe was built after 1918.? OK next question.? How is the half nut handle afixed to the shaft?? There are three versions.?? The first one the Handle is held on with a pin pressed through the handle hub.? Second one the handle has a keyway and there is a set screw that holds it on to the half nut shaft.? The last one has the keyway but there is a boss cast onto the handle hub that is split and there is a slotted screw that clamps the handle hub onto the shaft. This was the last design and was used to the end of production of the Lot 4 lathes as well as the Lot 5 6 and 8 machines. We only think the 9 1/2 inch machine is Lot 8 we have not proved that yet as we only have one example here at my shop and one in Washington?State but so?far that guy I cant even make him?understand were the lot and serial number is located.? Thats the 9 1/2 inch I am trying to talk him out of but he's not much of a communicator.
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Let me know if I can be of any help with your?lathe work Larry.
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Dennis?
----- Original Message -----
From: l leonard
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display

Hi Dennis
Thanks for the info. As i can't find good stock for my tinshop i might as well start on the lathe.? The pat. no was on the change gear cover.? is this important?
yours
Larry

--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> wrote:
From: Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display
To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 2:38 PM

Hi Larry
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Yes I have the only stock of spare parts.? If your latest patent date is 1917 then I bet the patent tag is on the tail stock and not on the gear door right????
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Larry I have I think parts to 22 Daltons.? Complete machines in some cases but mostly just parts lathes that were not complete when I got them.? I do have some change gears but hate to let any go especially a complete set.? You can also get gears from Boston or Browning as they still make 20 pitch 14 1/2 degree change gears that you can use.? My very first Dalton the one you see on the home page of Andy Sargents web site most of the change gears on that lathe I got from Boston gear.? When I restored that lathe the only ones Andy and I knew of was his and mine.? That was almost ten years ago and now I think we have found over 110 machines now with an example of every model Dalton made.? We have found six of the combination machines but only two of the Lot 8 9 1/2 inch swing 48 inch bed models.? I have one and the other one I am trying really hard to purchase but? have not talked the owner into it yet."-))? His is incomplete as is mine but the two would make one very complete cabinet based overhead silent chain drive model.? Very much like the one you see on my flicker photo site.? Just a lot bigger.
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As to the collet setup there are several of the guys that have the draw bar setup like you see on the 1922 machine.? The only known lever collet closer setup is owned by a fellow in Indiana.? I have not seen it personally but I do have pictures of it.? Here is a picture of what it looks like.
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Dennis Turk
----- Original Message -----
From: l leonard
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display

Hi Dennis
Beautiful job. I didn't know there was a collet attachment. Interesting.
On another note, I bought a Dalton B-4 with latest patent date 1917 for a song. Are you the go to guy for parts (change gears) and rebuild advice.
Nothing serious as she is in beautiful condition but I will need the gears and advice on how to mount the jack shaft. another winter project among many others.
Thanks

Larry

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net>
> Subject: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display
> To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:44 PM
> Hi all
>
> I got the 1922 Dalton's restoration complete and it has
> been moved up
> to the front lobby at my business and is now a running
> display. Check
> out the photos on my flicker site.
>
>
>
> Dennis Turk
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