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From: Dennis Turk
Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display
To: daltonlathes@...
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 1:03 PM

Verrrrrry nice Larry

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Your lathe is a lot 5 machine and would have been built after 1920 but before 1922.? In 1922 Dalton patent a special hinge for the end door on the TL model lathe.? That patent is present on any lathe built after 1921.? So I am going to say you have a low serial number.? Remember Dalton used a separate set of serial numbers for each Lot number of machine model. The lathe you see on my flicker site has the 1922 patent number but is serial number 263 so again is a low number as we have Lot 5 lathes with numbers?all the way to 6100.? Then ever time we think we have old Hubert figured out he throws us a curve.??

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You also have the bearing standards with the patent oiling system.? What I mean is your countershaft setup.? You have the cone pulley and the bearing standards that were part of the overhead countershaft that came with these lathes.? The only difference it what you have and what came with the lathe is your missing the forward and reveres clutches and the handle to actuate them.? If you look inside the bearings on the countershaft you will see a little ring about 1 1/2 inches in diameter that rotates on the shaft.? This is what brings the oil up from the reservoir under the bearing bore.? I have several of these and have yet to find any wear in any of them.? Some of the old induction repulsion motors used this same system for lubing the motor shaft bearings.? Only thing was Dalton patent the idea for line shaft bearings.? South Bend used a very similar bearing only they could not use the ring because of the Dalton patent so they cut a keyway in the bearing and passed a felt wick from one end to the other with the wick feeding down into the reservoir below the bearing.? I just got a 10 inch Champion lathe built by the Blower and Forge company of Lancaster Pa that has a different setup yet.? Champion used a flat spring to hold a felt wick up against the shaft in the center of the bearing.? This wick carried oil up from the reservoir below the bearing and as it ran out the end of the bearing it was collected in groove around the end of the casting and a drain back hole carried the overflow back to the reservoir.?? Lots of interesting things when it comes to all these old machines and all the ways they came up with to lube them.

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One other thing I would like all the guys that post pictures to think about.? Try and be kind to your dial up guys but reducing any picture files down to under 150KB as most of these guys on dial up there servers will reject very large files.

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Turk

----- Original Message -----

From: l leonard

To: daltonlathes@...

Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 9:15 AM

Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display

hi dennis the halfnut lever is the third type, clamped with a slotted screw.? I have what looks like a clutch knob aka the old south bend design. I have attached some pix that may be helpful. the jack shaft seems complete tho I lack a chaser dial. Yours, Larry --- On Sun, 12/7/08, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> wrote: From: Dennis Turk Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 11:23 AM Hi Larry ? No its not important only tells me when the lathe was built.? So if you patent tag is on the change door then your lathe was built after 1918.? OK next question.? How is the half nut handle afixed to the shaft?? There are three versions.?? The first one the Handle is held on with a pin pressed through the handle hub.? Second one the handle has a keyway and there is a set screw that holds it on to the half nut shaft.? The last one has the keyway but there is a boss cast onto the handle hub that is split and there is a slotted screw that clamps the handle hub onto the shaft. This was the last design and was used to the end of production of the Lot 4 lathes as well as the Lot 5 6 and 8 machines. We only think the 9 1/2 inch machine is Lot 8 we have not proved that yet as we only have one example here at my shop and one in Washington?State but so?far that guy I cant even make him?understand were the lot and serial number is located.? Thats the 9 1/2 inch I am trying to talk him out of but he's not much of a communicator. ? Let me know if I can be of any help with your?lathe work Larry. ? Dennis? ----- Original Message ----- From: l leonard To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display Hi Dennis Thanks for the info. As i can't find good stock for my tinshop i might as well start on the lathe.? The pat. no was on the change gear cover.? is this important? yours Larry --- On Sat, 12/6/08, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> wrote: From: Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 2:38 PM Hi Larry ? Yes I have the only stock of spare parts.? If your latest patent date is 1917 then I bet the patent tag is on the tail stock and not on the gear door right???? ? Larry I have I think parts to 22 Daltons.? Complete machines in some cases but mostly just parts lathes that were not complete when I got them.? I do have some change gears but hate to let any go especially a complete set.? You can also get gears from Boston or Browning as they still make 20 pitch 14 1/2 degree change gears that you can use.? My very first Dalton the one you see on the home page of Andy Sargents web site most of the change gears on that lathe I got from Boston gear.? When I restored that lathe the only ones Andy and I knew of was his and mine.? That was almost ten years ago and now I think we have found over 110 machines now with an example of every model Dalton made.? We have found six of the combination machines but only two of the Lot 8 9 1/2 inch swing 48 inch bed models.? I have one and the other one I am trying really hard to purchase but? have not talked the owner into it yet."-))? His is incomplete as is mine but the two would make one very complete cabinet based overhead silent chain drive model.? Very much like the one you see on my flicker photo site.? Just a lot bigger. ? As to the collet setup there are several of the guys that have the draw bar setup like you see on the 1922 machine.? The only known lever collet closer setup is owned by a fellow in Indiana.? I have not seen it personally but I do have pictures of it.? Here is a picture of what it looks like. ? Dennis Turk ----- Original Message ----- From: l leonard To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display Hi Dennis Beautiful job. I didn't know there was a collet attachment. Interesting. On another note, I bought a Dalton B-4 with latest patent date 1917 for a song. Are you the go to guy for parts (change gears) and rebuild advice. Nothing serious as she is in beautiful condition but I will need the gears and advice on how to mount the jack shaft. another winter project among many others. Thanks Larry --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> wrote: > From: Dennis Turk <dennis.turk2@ verizon.net> > Subject: [daltonlathes] 1922 Lot 5 Dalton now on display > To: daltonlathes@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:44 PM > Hi all > > I got the 1922 Dalton's restoration complete and it has > been moved up > to the front lobby at my business and is now a running > display. Check > out the photos on my flicker site. > > > > Dennis Turk > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >