Hi guys,
If you haven't seen it, there is a Dalton B-4 on ebay. It looks to
have a set of change gears and cast iron legs.
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Re: Dalton B-4 on Display
As to spindle oilier on a B-4 Lot 2 3 4
and?5
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The oilier are a thin walled tube that
has?a rolled edge on the top and then they
are pressed into a drilled hole in the bearing cap.? The caps were a sheet
metal stamping by Dalton.? There is a small disc of metal inside the cap
that holds the little wire lope that is a little larger in diameter than the
rolled edge of the tub pressed into the bearing cap.? This keeps the cap
(most of the time) attached to the machine.
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A standard Gits flip top oil cap can be substituted
for the Dalton oilier.? These are available from McMaster Carr or
MSC.? There are several different sizes and styles that will work on the
Dalton bearing caps.? You may wont to go so far as getting??a
drip or sight glass style oilier so you can keep a continues flow of oil going
to the bearings and when not in use you can flip the little lever and it stops
the oil flow.? You also have a sight glass so you can see just how much oil
is dripping down into the bearings.? These again are available off
eBay.? I got a set of Taiwanese copies and they work really good and look
good if you polish up the brass they are made from.? They will require you
to tap a 1/16 pipe thread into the bearing caps.
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One other oilier Gits makes is one that has a wick
that feeds oil to the bearings.? There is a stand pipe on the inside of the
reservoir and then a felt wick takes oil down to the bearings.? These will
also require you to tap a thread in the bearing cap.
?
Turk
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Speaking of Spindle Oilers, does anyone know where I can get
replacements. One of my oilers has a missing cap. ALso, are they
pressed in or screwed in
Ron Peeler
B4 Owner
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Re: Dalton B-4 on Display
Speaking of Spindle Oilers, does anyone know where I can get
replacements. One of my oilers has a missing cap. ALso, are they
pressed in or screwed in
Ron Peeler
B4 Owner
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Hi Guys,
There is photo of a nice looking Dalton on the Practical Machinist
website. I like those spindle bearing oilers.
jim
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Hi All
Just an update on Johns lathe. It seams that the lathe has had
custom spindle bearings and a custom or modified spindle from
another lathe (probably Logan) installed in the head stock. The
spindle thread is the standard 1 1/2 - 8 that will accept most
tooling. The flat belt cone pulley has been replaced with a three
step Vee belt drive. The back gears are still functional but some
modifications to them have been made.
It looks like the Vee belt pulley was shorter so everything has been
moved closer to the front spindle bearing and there are spacers on
the rear of the spindle and also the back gear. All looks very
professionally done. As does the custom half nut lever. You can
also see it has nice big easy to read dial rings on the cross slide
and also the compound. Just some observations on my part that I
felt should be added to the lathe description.
I have some high resolution photos of Johns lathe if anyone would
like to look at things a little closer.
Take care and keep those Daltons turning out works of art.
Dennis
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Hi all
I am posting this for a fellow down in CA. You can see the photos
of this lathe on my Flicker photo site.
Hello. I am a guitar and ukulele builder in San Diego and have an
old Dalton metal lathe for sale.
It is a Dalton c1920-23, Lot B4 #3092 with original counter shaft.
It is in remarkable condition with no obvious deficits. It comes
with original tail stock, and an Atlas 6" steady reast modified to
fit the Dalton. $ 600.00 usd + shipping
Also for sale is the lot of machinist tools and lathe accessories
that were also inherited with the lathe:
4", 3 jaw self centering chuck
6", 4 jaw independent chuck
6" face plate ring
revolving cone tail center
revolving bullnose cone tail center
headstock chuck - Jacobs 59B, 3/16-3/4 capacity, 1-1/2 x 8 PI spindle
tailstock chuck - Jacobs 34 w/ morse taper
tailstock chuck - Albrecht ultra precision 3 jaw with morse taper.
3/64-33/64
tailstock chuck - RJ3-16L with morse taper
tool holder (2 ea)
knurling tool holder and knurler
12" Union Tool hermaphrodite caliper
6" Starrett hermaphrodite caliper
Adjustable tap wrench (4 ea)
tail center
2 lbs assorted steel Mo-Max tool bits
Starrett No. 226, 2-3" Outside micrometer
Starrett No. 2, 0-2" Outside micrometer
Starrett No. 436, 0-1" Outside micrometer
Lufkin No. 1630, 0-0.5" Outside micrometer
Starrett No. 124AZ solid rod inside micrometer set, 2-8"
Starrett center guage
Starrett No. 6 Screw pitch guage
Starrett No. 77-B6 "Fay" Spring type 6" divider
Starrett "Fay" Spring type 4" inside caliper
Starrett No. 79-B4 yankee spring type 4" outside caliper
Round collett set
Boring head and boring bars
$800 usd + shipping for all or call for pricing on individual items.
If you have any questions, please call or email me. I will
entertain any reasonable offers
John Brody
760-720-7155 home
760-505-1396 cell
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Hi all
John Brody emailed me with questions about a Dalton he has. He sent
me some email pictures and I put them up on my Flicker photo site.
If you go to this address you will see Johns lathe. His lathe looks
to be in great shape with some interesting modifications done to it.
I did not check with John so see if he got the change gears when he
got the lathe but it does have a Atlas steady rest that has been
addapted to the lathe.
A dial ring had been installed on the compound slide and a larger more
usfull one also has been installed on the cross feed screw.
Take a look at this address.
Dennis Turk
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Nice shop!!!!!!!?? JC
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Hi John
?
I don't know what happened to the machine in
Sutherlin as we did not stay for its auction time.? The lathe was in very
poor shape and having the 8 or 10 foot bed it was a monster machine.? Every
handle and control on the lathe was broken repaired or replaced with some home
brew monstrosity.? The lathe showed all the ear marks of some old farmer
owning it for years.? In fact there were?three old farmers that were
sitting there waiting for the bid time.? I talked to a couple of them and
explained what the machine was but they were not interested in its history only
they figured they could fix there old farm machinery with it.? None had a
clue as to how to use a lathe or a mill.? I would imagine the lathe is some
were down in Southern Oregon sitting in a barn rusting away.
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We heard a couple of years ago there may have been
a combination machine in Minnesota or maybe Wisconsin but I have forgotten the
details now and it was only hear say anyway.
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Its like what we call a Lot 8 machine witch is the
9 1/2 inch lathe with a 4 foot bed.? We think there is one in England but
it has not been confirmed with pictures only the guy saying it looks just like
the one on Tony's site in England.? The fellow sent me an email with a copy
of the image from Tony's site and said that is what it was.? He was going
to take some pictures and send them to me but he never did and that was near a
year ago now.
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Sorry I have no details on the Oregon Dalton?
combination machine John I was only interested in seeing one and taking some
pictures.? I would never attempt the restoration of one of these machines
as you could never find any parts and there just to big for just a toy as that
is what all my little restored lathes mills and shapers are, just toys as I have
a full shop full of modern machines to use.? John if you go to??
turkmfg.com?? you will see my business and there you will see what
kind of work and machines are in the plant.
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Again welcome to the Dalton group John
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Denny
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Subject: Re: [daltonlathes] Re: Combo
machine
I found this group and oldarn through Tony's site in England. I've copied
the pictures, etc. and have them next to the machine. What became of the other
machine in Oregon? Is it going to be resored, parted out or what. I could sure
use that vertical?gearbox and the bearing cap. Are there others or are
these the only two known. Do you have any idea what my machine might be worth?
I know it's tough to say without seeing it. Ballpark is fine. I just don't
want anyone to rip my wife off if I should, uhhhh, well, you know. She knows
what the Model T and all my old scooters are worth. Want to keep her up to
speed. Well, that and I want to know if I paid too much  ???????
John
Dennis Turk verizon.net>
wrote:
Hi John and welcome to the group. If you check out Tony
Griffith's site in England you will find a bunch of images from original
Dalton combination machine catalogs. Also there is a link to the combo
machine that I seen down in Sutherland Oregon two years ago. The machine
was really beat and broken but most of it was there. Again check out
Tony's site and look over the pictures I took of the lathe. If you would
like a set of these pictures I can email them to you. It does show some
of the details that your lathe is missing. Good
Luck John and Glad to have you as a member Dennis Turk. --- In
daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com,
"rumijohn" .> wrote: > > That's my
machine on the oldarn site. I bought it from a friends > estate a
coupla years ago. I'm still trying to get it set up and > running
right. The chain drive setup on the back is geared too low. At >
the lowest speed, in backgear, you need a calender to count the RPMs.
> Also the bearing cap at the bevel gear on the vertical shaft is
> missing. I guess I can make one if I cannot find one. I haven't run
a > lathe since HS, so I am teaching myself with a bunch o' books
from > Lindsay. I want to upgrade the toolpost to a quick change with
the > inserts, rather than the old HSS cutters. Still, I'm having fun
with > it, making chips. I'll be asking questions, I'm sure. I'm open
to any > and all questions, suggestions, hate mail, etc.
John >
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I found this group and oldarn through Tony's site in England. I've copied the pictures, etc. and have them next to the machine. What became of the other machine in Oregon? Is it going to be resored, parted out or what. I could sure use that vertical?gearbox and the bearing cap. Are there others or are these the only two known. Do you have any idea what my machine might be worth? I know it's tough to say without seeing it. Ballpark is fine. I just don't want anyone to rip my wife off if I should, uhhhh, well, you know. She knows what the Model T and all my old scooters are worth. Want to keep her up to speed. Well, that and I want to know if I paid too much ??????? John Dennis Turk wrote:
Hi John and welcome to the group. If you check out Tony Griffith's site in England you will find a bunch of images from original Dalton combination machine catalogs. Also there is a link to the combo machine that I seen down in Sutherland Oregon two years ago. The machine was really beat and broken but most of it was there. Again check out Tony's site and look over the pictures I took of the lathe. If you would like a set of these pictures I can email them to you. It does show some of the details that your lathe is missing. Good Luck John and Glad to have you as a member Dennis Turk. --- In daltonlathes@yahoogroups.com, "rumijohn" .> wrote: > > That's my machine on the oldarn site. I bought it from a friends > estate a coupla years ago. I'm still trying to get it set up and > running right. The chain drive setup on the back is geared too low. At > the lowest speed, in backgear, you need a calender to count the RPMs. > Also the bearing cap at the bevel gear on the vertical shaft is > missing. I guess I can make one if I cannot find one. I haven't run a > lathe since HS, so I am teaching myself with a bunch o' books from > Lindsay. I want to upgrade the toolpost to a quick change with the > inserts, rather
than the old HSS cutters. Still, I'm having fun with > it, making chips. I'll be asking questions, I'm sure. I'm open to any > and all questions, suggestions, hate mail, etc. John >
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Hi John and welcome to the group. If you check out Tony Griffith's site in England you will find a bunch of images from original Dalton combination machine catalogs. Also there is a link to the combo machine that I seen down in Sutherland Oregon two years ago. The machine was really beat and broken but most of it was there. Again check out Tony's site and look over the pictures I took of the lathe. If you would like a set of these pictures I can email them to you. It does show some of the details that your lathe is missing. Good Luck John and Glad to have you as a member Dennis Turk. --- In daltonlathes@..., "rumijohn" <rumijohn@...> wrote:
That's my machine on the oldarn site. I bought it from a friends
estate a coupla years ago. I'm still trying to get it set up and
running right. The chain drive setup on the back is geared too low.
At the lowest speed, in backgear, you need a calender to count the RPMs. Also the bearing cap at the bevel gear on the vertical shaft is
missing. I guess I can make one if I cannot find one. I haven't run a lathe since HS, so I am teaching myself with a bunch o' books from
Lindsay. I want to upgrade the toolpost to a quick change with the
inserts, rather than the old HSS cutters. Still, I'm having fun with
it, making chips. I'll be asking questions, I'm sure. I'm open to any and all questions, suggestions, hate mail, etc. John
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--- In daltonlathes@..., "rumijohn" <rumijohn@...> wrote:
I have tried to post threee times. I belong to 2 other Yahoo
groups and have had no problems posting. Let's see if it works this time.
John Callin, combo machine guy
Cool, it works. I'm John Callin. That's my machine on Oldarn. I got it from a friends estate. I tried to buy it when he was alive, but he refused, even though it sat with a tarp over it, unused. He said that I could have it when he died. He did, and I got it. There are a few issues with it. One being the missing bearing cap. I guess I could just whistle on down to the local Dalton dealer or I could make one. The other is the chain drive setup on the back, It is geared way too low. In backgear, at the lowest range, you need a calender to measure the RPMs. The biggest problem is my own inexperience. I havn't run a lathe since high school, "several" years ago. I am a big purchaser of Lindsay books and have a few machine shop and lathe books. With those, and a little hands on, I'm sorta getting a feel for it. I need a bunch of help with cutters, etc. I think I have all the pieces to change the tool post over to the quick change setup, but still, I will have questions about what tools to use, carbide, HSS, inserts? I'm really a newbie and probably don't deserve this machine, but I will be a good steward while it's mine. You can fight over it when I'm gone ;-) John
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I have tried to post threee times. I belong to 2 other Yahoo groups
and have had no problems posting. Let's see if it works this time.
John Callin, combo machine guy
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That's my machine on the oldarn site. I bought it from a friends
estate a coupla years ago. I'm still trying to get it set up and
running right. The chain drive setup on the back is geared too low. At
the lowest speed, in backgear, you need a calender to count the RPMs.
Also the bearing cap at the bevel gear on the vertical shaft is
missing. I guess I can make one if I cannot find one. I haven't run a
lathe since HS, so I am teaching myself with a bunch o' books from
Lindsay. I want to upgrade the toolpost to a quick change with the
inserts, rather than the old HSS cutters. Still, I'm having fun with
it, making chips. I'll be asking questions, I'm sure. I'm open to any
and all questions, suggestions, hate mail, etc. John
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Thanks Jon
I have forwarded your message to the group.
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From: "Jon Hathcock" <jrclockmaker@...>
To: ronaldpeeler@...
Subject: dalton lathe parts
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:28:48 +0000
Ronald,
I am a friend of Dennis Turk in Origon. He use to be the "DaltonGuy" and I heard you really like these neat old lathes too.
I have A Dalton lot 4 and am getting another one in a few weeks. I am thinking about parting out or selling outrightmy old dalton lathe when the new one comes.
I have taken apart, cleaned and repainted the lathe. I made an overhead drive unit incorperating a period correct motor. The lathe works beautifully and has virtually no play in the headstock. The back gear works. It has an insert in the headstock that has been machined to fit C-3 collets. I made a collet nose piece to protect the threads when using the collets. There is an aftermarket 3-jaw and a 4-jaw that might be origional ( I will know when the new one gets here). I might have some duplicate parts for sale too, including an extra 2 sets of change gears.
I know you have a Yahoo group out there in the Internet land and thought one of the members might need some parts. If you want to forward my e-mail it will be Okay.
Until Later,
Jon Hathcock
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Pix of Dalton Combination machine
The pictures of this machine are now on the oldarn web site at:
Enjoy.
- Andy
Walton Hills, OH
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Re: English Dalton for sale
Hi back again I believe now that this is a lot 2 lathe. Note the way the lead screw shift lever is on the head stock. This shifter is a sring loaded knob that you pull to shift the gears and the detent holes are on the front of the head stock casting rather than on the end like a Lot 4 lathe. I believe the very end of the bed tail stock end has been broken off and the end of the bed has been machined to clean up the brake. This is what my Lot 2 lathe that came from Holland looked like. You will also see that the hand wheels have been changed for levers. Makes one think this lathe has been dropped on its front. Also note the compound base casting. There is no tee bolts and nuts holding it down. Rather there is a spud that projects up from the cross slide and on the right side of the compound base there is a clamp bolt that holds the compound to the cross slide spud. There are two versions of this style and I have both of them. This feature confirms this is a very early Lot 2 lathe. This lathe would have been built in the first year of production in 1913. Turk --- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
After looking at the pictures again I can tell that this is a Lot
2 or Lot 3 lathe. Note were the left hand lead screw mount is secured to the bed. This is the way the early lathes were mounted. The
very end of the bed has been broken off at the head stock end so
there is only one screw holding the mount. If you look at the tail stock end of the bed you will see no vertical surface to mount the
end lead screw bearing as it was mounted under the bed on the two
early lot numbers. The lead screw mount screws came down from the
top of the bed like a SB workshop lathe. You will also note that
the front vee way is smaller than the later machines.
Turk
--- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk"
<dennis.turk2@>
wrote:
Hi all
Seams we have a Dalton for sale on the English ebay site. Check
it
out as it has some rather odd features. I have emaild the seller so
we will see if we hear from him. Note the place were the lead screw
is mounted and it makes you wonder what kind of half nuts they are using. The spindle bearings are rather odd also and the cone pulley
has been modifide for Vee Belt. Take a look as it looks rather nice
in its blue paint.
Turk
170018891275
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Re: English Dalton for sale
After looking at the pictures again I can tell that this is a Lot 2 or Lot 3 lathe. Note were the left hand lead screw mount is secured to the bed. This is the way the early lathes were mounted. The very end of the bed has been broken off at the head stock end so there is only one screw holding the mount. If you look at the tail stock end of the bed you will see no vertical surface to mount the end lead screw bearing as it was mounted under the bed on the two early lot numbers. The lead screw mount screws came down from the top of the bed like a SB workshop lathe. You will also note that the front vee way is smaller than the later machines. Turk --- In daltonlathes@..., "Dennis Turk" <dennis.turk2@...> wrote:
Hi all
Seams we have a Dalton for sale on the English ebay site. Check
it out as it has some rather odd features. I have emaild the seller so we will see if we hear from him. Note the place were the lead screw is mounted and it makes you wonder what kind of half nuts they are
using. The spindle bearings are rather odd also and the cone pulley has been modifide for Vee Belt. Take a look as it looks rather nice in its blue paint.
Turk
170018891275
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Hi all
Seams we have a Dalton for sale on the English ebay site. Check it
out as it has some rather odd features. I have emaild the seller so
we will see if we hear from him. Note the place were the lead screw
is mounted and it makes you wonder what kind of half nuts they are
using. The spindle bearings are rather odd also and the cone pulley
has been modifide for Vee Belt. Take a look as it looks rather nice
in its blue paint.
Turk
170018891275
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New member with a Dalton Combination machine
Hi guys,
The website attracted quite a find yesterday. John Callin of Castaic,
CA, contacted me to say he has a Dalton Combination machine, marked
Lot 1 Number 103 D. He also says that it's marked with the word "Sound
Beach", as opposed to the South Beach in Gay's Dalton history. This is
the first combination machine we've heard of, outside of the one
Dennis spotted at an auction in WA a while back.
John will hopefully be joining the group soon with a few questions
regarding getting his machine working. Hopefully he'll have some
pictures for us too.
- Andy
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