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Re: Max & recommended shaft rpm


Glen Linscheid
 

?Please roll with your own interpretations Herb, I agree that high HP and speeds are needed for production high volume machining, but often carbides and ceramics are the only way to cut some materials. I use carbides all the time both at carbide speeds and lower speeds for one off jobs, simply because my time is too valuable to waste grinding HSS and replacing a carbide insert puts you back within .001" normally of where you were when you swapped. I can't believe any experienced machinist doesn't understand relief angles to grind HSS, as there ARE times when HSS is the only way to do some jobs.
?Of course my own practice is to never use lighthouse style holders, and I'd agree, for those who do, it's probably not normally wise to use carbide, as most available carbide tools that would fit are the brased on type, and it's very hard to replace the tool with the precision one gets with QC toolposts and holders and carbide inserts.

?Threading with laydown inserts I find works better than HSS even at slow speeds, in fact other than CNC threading much manual threading is done at lower speeds with "In the white" color chips even with carbide.
?Granted we have hundreds of old carbide inserts in boxes with one or more new edges remaining, so it's not a matter of money for us. It does require more skills and/or experience to thread with carbides if the operator has trouble timing his exit.
?Having said all that let me say that if you are most comfortable using HSS it's all good, I'm not advocating one way or the other as much as saying there are ways to use carbide inserts that are better in my opinion even with a slow and wimpy old lathe at times.
With respect,
Glen


On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 12:17 PM Herb Kephart <ebtm3@...> wrote:
To successfully employ carbide, you need 2 things--Horsepower, and rigidity. Daltons are a fine little lathe, but they were designed in an era (after the first world war) when high speed steel was replacing carbon steel tooling. We have 5 conventional lathes here, and 1 CNC. Carbide all ways on the CNC Mazak, the others (up to24" monarch) only sometimes. As far as roughing, and removing the most metal in the least time, here is heat treated 4340 and a HIGH SPEED TOOL


Lathe is a 16" Lodge and Shipley, 5HP spindle. Piece was part of a Stanley Steam car engine crankshaft. You didnt make me angry, my only reason for posting is to try to get fledgling machinists to realize that I think too many folks are starting out with carbide, when they would be better off with cheaper tooling.

Herb Kephart


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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [DaltonLathes] Max & recommended shaft rpm
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I don't mean to be contrary or make anyone angry but a good machinist knows when to use either HSS or carbide.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 10:40 AM Herb Kephart <ebtm3@...> wrote:
If you only have one lathe, set the lowest speed so that a piece about 6" in diameter will run at about 40? surface feet a minute. This is the maximum speed for cast iron. let the maximum speed for the machine be whatever it turns out to be.

Forget about carbide--learn to sharpen high speed steel toolbits. You will be much better off financially and more of a machinist

Herb Kephart


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