Re: RFI Continues on WinWarbler
I have done the required calculations and meet the requirements. Nevertheless I tend to agree that it is the direct exposure you refer to. Come nicer weather I may switch to a different antenna that does not need ladder line. Padhans a rooftop vertical while tis 85 year old can still do it.? ? ? Outlook LT Gil W0MN Hierro Candente Batir de Repente 44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 8:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DXLab] RFI Continues on WinWarbler ? ? If your problem is not uncontrolled common mode RFI, it is direct RF Exposure.? If direct RF Exposure is causing your problems, you are probably in violation of part 97.13 (c).? Have you performed the calculations required to assure compliance with the regulations referenced in 97.13(c)? ? 73, ? ??? ... Joe, W4TV ? On 2025-03-04 8:44 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN via groups.io wrote: > I put on toroids on all things that enter the PC. > > I have followed many thigs to try to get good ground system . > > I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAM BUT WINWARBLER IS USELESS ON > 20m AT > 300? Watts. > > Antenna is fed with ladder line and? 12 feet of the line is indoors so > I assume this is RFI. I have no? problems on even higher frequencies > with Coax Fed Dipole. > > I do find it strange that ONLY WinWarbler FAILS. I END UP WITH 2 > COPIES RUNNING. If I terminate? ALL with Launcher it terminates? only > one? of them (ALL OTHER APPS DO END) and forces a Restart of? PC to fix. > >?? > > It looks I need a different antenna system that does not require the > ladder line? feed. I can run WinWarbler with? no problem on other > bands and o 20 M into dummy load. > >?? > > What does anyone think? Am I? stuck. I guess I could try returning to > my Older W10 Machine? that had NONE of this? trouble, even before > spending 100 for Toroids. The Toroids did help a lot since more than > WinWarbler was failing before? installing? them. > >?? > >?? > >?? > >?? > > Outlook LT Gil W0MN > > Hierro Candente Batir de Repente > > 44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb > >?? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W
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ohhhhh, that would be a good one!? I'd vote for that too.? LOL
73, Don
VA7ZT
On Tue, Mar 4, 2025 at 6:46?AM Ken Bandy, KJ9B via <ken.kj9b= [email protected]> wrote: I’m still waiting for the “enable coffee pot on rare DX” interface ? ? 73, Ken, KJ9B ? ? One more question....is there anything your software won't do?? :) ? # more AA6YQ comments below
? ? ? ? + If you make the Needed column visible in the Spot Database Display and can remember the abbreviations, you'll be able to immediately see why a Spot Database Entry is considered Needed without having to right-click and select "Display Award Progress for ...".
# If you forget an abbreviation, let the mouse cursor hover over the letter(s) in a Spot Database Entry's Needed field and a popup explanation will remind you.
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? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
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Re: RFI Continues on WinWarbler
If your problem is not uncontrolled common mode RFI, it is direct
RF Exposure. If direct RF Exposure is causing your problems, you
are probably in violation of part 97.13 (c). Have you performed
the calculations required to assure compliance with the regulations
referenced in 97.13(c)?
73,
... Joe, W4TV
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On 2025-03-04 8:44 AM, Gilbert Baron W0MN via groups.io wrote: I put on toroids on all things that enter the PC.
I have followed many thigs to try to get good ground system .
I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAM BUT WINWARBLER IS USELESS ON 20m
AT > 300 Watts.
Antenna is fed with ladder line and 12 feet of the line is indoors so I
assume this is RFI. I have no problems on even higher frequencies with Coax
Fed Dipole.
I do find it strange that ONLY WinWarbler FAILS. I END UP WITH 2 COPIES
RUNNING. If I terminate ALL with Launcher it terminates only one of them
(ALL OTHER APPS DO END) and forces a Restart of PC to fix.
It looks I need a different antenna system that does not require the ladder
line feed. I can run WinWarbler with no problem on other bands and o 20 M
into dummy load.
What does anyone think? Am I stuck. I guess I could try returning to my
Older W10 Machine that had NONE of this trouble, even before spending 100
for Toroids. The Toroids did help a lot since more than WinWarbler was
failing before installing them.
Outlook LT Gil W0MN
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I’m still waiting for the “enable coffee pot on rare DX” interface ? ? 73, Ken, KJ9B ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Don Carlgren via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2025 9:30 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [DXLab] Band spread? One more question....is there anything your software won't do?? :) ? # more AA6YQ comments below
? ? ? ? + If you make the Needed column visible in the Spot Database Display and can remember the abbreviations, you'll be able to immediately see why a Spot Database Entry is considered Needed without having to right-click and select "Display Award Progress for ...".
# If you forget an abbreviation, let the mouse cursor hover over the letter(s) in a Spot Database Entry's Needed field and a popup explanation will remind you.
? ? ? ?73,
? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
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One more question....is there anything your software won't do?? :)
take care 73, Don VA7ZT
# more AA6YQ comments below
? ? ? ? + If you make the Needed column visible in the Spot Database Display and can remember the abbreviations, you'll be able to immediately see why a Spot Database Entry is considered Needed without having to right-click and select "Display Award Progress for ...".
# If you forget an abbreviation, let the mouse cursor hover over the letter(s) in a Spot Database Entry's Needed field and a popup explanation will remind you.
? ? ? ?73,
? ? ? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
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RFI Continues on WinWarbler
I put on toroids on all things that enter the PC. I have followed many thigs to try to get good ground system . I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAM BUT WINWARBLER IS USELESS ON 20m AT > 300 ?Watts. Antenna is fed with ladder line and? 12 feet of the line is indoors so I assume this is RFI. I have no? problems on even higher frequencies with Coax Fed Dipole. I do find it strange that ONLY WinWarbler FAILS. I END UP WITH 2 COPIES? RUNNING. If I terminate ?ALL with Launcher it terminates? only one? of them (ALL OTHER APPS DO END) and forces a Restart of? PC to fix. ? It looks I need a different antenna system that does not require the ladder line? feed. I can run WinWarbler with? no problem on other bands and o 20 M into dummy load. ? What does anyone think? Am I? stuck. I guess I could try returning to my Older W10 Machine? that had NONE of this? trouble, even before spending 100 for Toroids. The Toroids did help a lot since more than WinWarbler was failing before? installing ?them. ? ? ? ? Outlook LT Gil W0MN Hierro Candente Batir de Repente 44.08226 N 92.51265 W EN34rb ? ? -- W0MN EN34rb 44.08226 N 92.51265 W
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Re: Wrong Band sort in DXKeeper's User-defined sorts
+ AA6YQ comments below
Use val(Band) to sort numerically instead of alpha.
The use of "val()" is not documented, AFAIK.
+ The 4th paragraph of
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+ suggested using the ABS function, applying it to the DXCCID field as an example. I changed this to the more understandable VAL function, and added a sentence suggesting its use to numerically sort by band.
+ Thanks!
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? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ
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Re: Wrong Band sort in DXKeeper's User-defined sorts
Joe, good tip! The val(Band) works fine.
Thank you
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# more AA6YQ comments below
+ If you make the Needed column visible in the Spot Database Display and can remember the abbreviations, you'll be able to immediately see why a Spot Database Entry is considered Needed without having to right-click and select "Display Award Progress for ...".
# If you forget an abbreviation, let the mouse cursor hover over the letter(s) in a Spot Database Entry's Needed field and a popup explanation will remind you.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Awesome Dave!? Thanks so much for the tip.? I'll add that to the display.? That will be very handy.
73, Don VA7ZT
+ AA6YQ comments below
AHA!? OK, I think I have it.
I just had a great example.? 2 spots for VK9XU on 28.095.? One is black and one is red.? the black one is FT8 and the red one is RTTY When I check the award status the RTTY is red because it's a needed ZONE for RTTY on 10.
When I check the award status for the FT8 it shows as digital is confirmed on Zone 29.
So for WAZ purposes there is a difference between RTTY and all the other digital modes.
+ Exactly right.
This has been bugging me for ages.? Now I know why!? It never occured to me it was the WAZ status that was causing this.? I always assumed it was the DXCC status.
Thanks for the tip on the award status.? I didn't know I could pull that menu up.? Very cool.
+ There's a field in the Spot Database Display named Needed that uses single letter abbreviations to indicate why a SpotDatabase Entry is considered "needed":
+ If you make the Needed column visible in the Spot Database Display and can remember the abbreviations, you'll be able to immediately see why a Spot Database Entry is considered Needed without having to right-click and select "Display Award Progress for ...".
+ Your VK9XU RTTY Spot Database Entry has a Z in its Needed field.
? ? ? 73,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ
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+ AA6YQ comments below
AHA! OK, I think I have it.
I just had a great example. 2 spots for VK9XU on 28.095. One is black and one is red. the black one is FT8 and the red one is RTTY When I check the award status the RTTY is red because it's a needed ZONE for RTTY on 10.
When I check the award status for the FT8 it shows as digital is confirmed on Zone 29.
So for WAZ purposes there is a difference between RTTY and all the other digital modes.
+ Exactly right.
This has been bugging me for ages. Now I know why! It never occured to me it was the WAZ status that was causing this. I always assumed it was the DXCC status.
Thanks for the tip on the award status. I didn't know I could pull that menu up. Very cool.
+ There's a field in the Spot Database Display named Needed that uses single letter abbreviations to indicate why a SpotDatabase Entry is considered "needed":
+ If you make the Needed column visible in the Spot Database Display and can remember the abbreviations, you'll be able to immediately see why a Spot Database Entry is considered Needed without having to right-click and select "Display Award Progress for ...".
+ Your VK9XU RTTY Spot Database Entry has a Z in its Needed field.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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AHA!? OK, I think I have it.
I just had a great example.? 2 spots for VK9XU on 28.095.? One is black and one is red.? the black one is FT8 and the red one is RTTY When I check the award status the RTTY is red because it's a needed ZONE for RTTY on 10. When I check the award status for the FT8 it shows as digital is confirmed on Zone 29.
So for WAZ purposes there is a difference between RTTY and all the other digital modes.
This has been bugging me for ages.? Now I know why!? It never occured to me it was the WAZ status that was causing this.? I always assumed it was the DXCC status.
Thanks for the tip on the award status.? I didn't know I could pull that menu up.? Very cool.
73, Don
VA7ZT
Hi Dave,
I realize that.? But it's being flagged red even though I've already worked it on one of the other digital modes.? This isn't happening in reverse.? I've seen spots for FT8 stations that I have worked on RTTY in the past but not on FT8 and they are not being flagged red so it must be detecting them as already worked.? However if a spot comes in as RTTY and I have worked it on FT8 it is still being flagged as red because it's RTTY.? I'm only seeing this with RTTY spots.
I'll do what you suggest and "check the award progress for" to see if that gives me a clue as to what's happening.? It's probably something I have turned on that is making it flag an RTTY spot as needed even if I've already worked it on one of the other digi modes.
Perhaps another example... I worked VK9XU on 20M FT8.? Any future spots for VK9XU on 20 that come through as FT8 or FT4 are black.? But if someone mistakenly spots VK9XU as an RTTY station it's showing up in red.
I'll let you know if the "Display award progress for..." reveals anything.
Thanks for the help 73, Don
VA7ZT
To answer Joe, I have SC Filter selected and nothing is in it.
I think what I wanted to try was unclear.? I'll try to describe it better.? It's not that I don't want to see the spots that come in as RTTY.? What I see happening is spots that come in as RTTY are treated differently than all other Digital mode spots.
+ That's not correct. For DXCC awards, RTTY is one of multiple digital modes that count towards DXCC Digi awards.
So frequently what happens is someone will spot a station as RTTY even though it was actually a FT8 QSO on say 14.074.? So in my case it will get flagged red because I haven't worked it on RTTY.
+ The next time you see a Spot Database Entry that is colored as "needed" and you don't understand why, you can obtain an explanation by right-clicking it and selecting "Display award progress for... " from the pop-up menu.
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ
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Hi Dave,
I realize that.? But it's being flagged red even though I've already worked it on one of the other digital modes.? This isn't happening in reverse.? I've seen spots for FT8 stations that I have worked on RTTY in the past but not on FT8 and they are not being flagged red so it must be detecting them as already worked.? However if a spot comes in as RTTY and I have worked it on FT8 it is still being flagged as red because it's RTTY.? I'm only seeing this with RTTY spots.
I'll do what you suggest and "check the award progress for" to see if that gives me a clue as to what's happening.? It's probably something I have turned on that is making it flag an RTTY spot as needed even if I've already worked it on one of the other digi modes.
Perhaps another example... I worked VK9XU on 20M FT8.? Any future spots for VK9XU on 20 that come through as FT8 or FT4 are black.? But if someone mistakenly spots VK9XU as an RTTY station it's showing up in red.
I'll let you know if the "Display award progress for..." reveals anything.
Thanks for the help 73, Don
VA7ZT
To answer Joe, I have SC Filter selected and nothing is in it.
I think what I wanted to try was unclear.? I'll try to describe it better.? It's not that I don't want to see the spots that come in as RTTY.? What I see happening is spots that come in as RTTY are treated differently than all other Digital mode spots.
+ That's not correct. For DXCC awards, RTTY is one of multiple digital modes that count towards DXCC Digi awards.
So frequently what happens is someone will spot a station as RTTY even though it was actually a FT8 QSO on say 14.074.? So in my case it will get flagged red because I haven't worked it on RTTY.
+ The next time you see a Spot Database Entry that is colored as "needed" and you don't understand why, you can obtain an explanation by right-clicking it and selecting "Display award progress for... " from the pop-up menu.
? ? ? ? ?73,
? ? ? ? ? ? ? Dave, AA6YQ
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To answer Joe, I have SC Filter selected and nothing is in it.
I think what I wanted to try was unclear. I'll try to describe it better. It's not that I don't want to see the spots that come in as RTTY. What I see happening is spots that come in as RTTY are treated differently than all other Digital mode spots.
+ That's not correct. For DXCC awards, RTTY is one of multiple digital modes that count towards DXCC Digi awards.
So frequently what happens is someone will spot a station as RTTY even though it was actually a FT8 QSO on say 14.074. So in my case it will get flagged red because I haven't worked it on RTTY.
+ The next time you see a Spot Database Entry that is colored as "needed" and you don't understand why, you can obtain an explanation by right-clicking it and selecting "Display award progress for... " from the pop-up menu.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Hi Dave & Joe,
To answer Joe, I have SC Filter selected and nothing is in it.
I think what I wanted to try was unclear.? I'll try to describe it better.? It's not that I don't want to see the spots that come in as RTTY.? What I see happening is spots that come in as RTTY are treated differently than all other Digital mode spots.? I'm not sure if this is by design or not.? So frequently what happens is someone will spot a station as RTTY even though it was actually a FT8 QSO on say 14.074.? So in my case it will get flagged red because I haven't worked it on RTTY.? I would still like to see the spot but not have it flagged red (new band/country) if I've already worked it on one of the other digital modes on that band.
Basically I guess I'm asking if all digital mode spots (RTTY, FT8, FT4, etc) could be treated as if they were one mode in the bandspread or spot collector since most digital awards now accept all of them under the same banner.? Perhaps this can be done with a prefilter or something?? ie, turn on a filter that treats all digial mode spots as one type so it won't get flagged red (new band/country) if it's been worked on any digital mode.
73, Don VA7ZT
Don,
Are you using a filter in Commander -> Config -> BandSpread -> Spot
Filter?? If so, which filter and what is in it?
I'd bet you have defined one that specifies Mode='RTTY' ... you will
want to change that to something that better reflects the modes you
are using.
73,
? ? ... Joe, W4TV
On 2025-03-03 8:08 PM, Don Carlgren via wrote:
> Hi Dave,
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> Currently my bandspread will highlight anything I need on RTTY.? I don't
> use RTTY anymore and primarily use FT8 as my digital mode.? Is there a way
> to get the bandspread to only highlight needed countries for digi instead?
> That way if I've worked a needed country on FT8 it would no longer be
> highlighted if it's spotted as RTTY which frequently happens with spots
> that are actually FT8 stations.
>
> Clear as mud?? :)
>
> Thanks
> 73, Don
> VA7ZT
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Perhaps the OP made a typo and meant FT8 rather than FT9?
JT65 and JT9 were popular JT modes when I became a ham 10 years ago.
73
Stan
KM4HQE
On 3/3/25 03:37, Dave AA6YQ wrote:
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+ AA6YQ comments below
I am starting to hear a little bit about FT9
+ Where?
+ Neither Google nor Perplexity could find any reference to a
digital mode called FT9.
? ? 73,
? ? ? ? ?Dave, AA6YQ
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Don,
Are you using a filter in Commander -> Config -> BandSpread -> Spot
Filter? If so, which filter and what is in it?
I'd bet you have defined one that specifies Mode='RTTY' ... you will
want to change that to something that better reflects the modes you
are using.
73,
... Joe, W4TV
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On 2025-03-03 8:08 PM, Don Carlgren via groups.io wrote: Hi Dave,
Currently my bandspread will highlight anything I need on RTTY. I don't
use RTTY anymore and primarily use FT8 as my digital mode. Is there a way
to get the bandspread to only highlight needed countries for digi instead?
That way if I've worked a needed country on FT8 it would no longer be
highlighted if it's spotted as RTTY which frequently happens with spots
that are actually FT8 stations.
Clear as mud? :)
Thanks
73, Don
VA7ZT
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+ AA6YQ comments below
Currently my bandspread will highlight anything I need on RTTY. I don't use RTTY anymore and primarily use FT8 as my digital mode. Is there a way to get the bandspread to only highlight needed countries for digi instead? That way if I've worked a needed country on FT8 it would no longer be highlighted if it's spotted as RTTY which frequently happens with spots that are actually FT8 stations.
+ If you only want to remove the callsigns of active stations using RTTY from Commander's Bandspread window, the click the Edit button in the "Spot Filter" sub-panel in the "DX Spots" panel on the Bandspread tab of Commander's Configuration window. In the "Commander User-defined SpotCollector filters" window, define entry whose Caption is
NoRTTY
+ and whose SQL is
Mode <> 'RTTY'
+ Then close the "Commander User-defined SpotCollector filters" window, and set the "Spot Filter sub-panel to "NoRTTY".
+ Note that active stations operating in RTTY will still appear in SpotCollector's Spot Database Display and on DXView's World Map. To remove them too, click the Mode button in the Filter panel at the bottom of SpotCollector's Main window and uncheck the "Mode Filter" window's RTTY box, and uncheck the RTTY box in the "Mode Filter" panel on the "Plot Settings" tab of DXView's Configuration window.
73,
Dave, AA6YQ
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Re: Macros in Spotcollector
Thanks Joe,
That appears to also work.
Jim - KR9U
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, March 3, 2025 6:02 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DXLab] Macros in Spotcollector If I create a macro to send this command to the ARCluster node station
in Spot collector, it strips out the 'does not equal' "<>"
and sends instead: set/dx/filter Ctyk> > This also affects many other commands as well. Can this be corrected? Jim, try working from the other direction: Set/DX/Filter NOT CTY=K 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2025-03-03 5:36 AM, Jim - KR9U via groups.io wrote: Hi Dave,
Many times, especially during contests, I filter spots at the DX Cluster.
One of the commands that ARCluster accepts if you want to only see
non-US spots is the command: set/dx/filter Cty<>k If I create a macro
to send this command to the ARCluster node station in Spot collector, it strips out the 'does not equal' "<>" and sends instead: set/dx/filter Ctyk This also affects many other commands as well. Can this be corrected?
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Hi Dave,
Currently my bandspread will highlight anything I need on RTTY.? I don't use RTTY anymore and primarily use FT8 as my digital mode.? Is there a way to get the bandspread to only highlight needed countries for digi instead?? That way if I've worked a needed country on FT8 it would no longer be highlighted if it's spotted as RTTY which frequently happens with spots that are actually FT8 stations.
Clear as mud?? :)
Thanks 73, Don
VA7ZT
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Gilbert Baron W0MN