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Hello jldunn8@..., In reference to your comment: è ALL THINGS are lessons God would have us learn. So è we get to look at that part of our mind we have kept è hidden that insults and attacks. Great.. Bring it on! If è we take insults and attacks personally, we are lost in è the delusion that we are bodies. That bodies can è attack.. That they need defending.. as the lesson 190 è would intone.."Peace to such foolishness! The time è has come to laugh at such insane ideas." Yeah, let me go out and shoot white people because of what they did to black people ... and say they are lessons that God would have me learn, or side with the indians who want the land that the white people stole from them ... and say I want them to help them to "see" differently and believe me, minorities** in the USA and I am sure in other countries have some serious victim/victimization scripts running 24-7, but with the study of the Course I am learning to look at this issues from the "Mind" ... and try to remember where the real problem lies and then be willing to see it differently with the Right Teacher. Sometimes folks we need to choose our lessons. There are some leesons that need to stay within our little minds that need to be processed with Jesus/HolySpirit, and there are just some you need to dismiss ... because it is just so damn silly. When I read and hear the statement .. that the ego thought system appeared because we simply forgot or choose "not to laugh": ... well being on various listservs (and I am on lot) ... I see this scenario reenacted over and over again. I also remember the analogy of the Orson Wells' War of the Worlds that Ken used at the academny/workshop where folks who came into the program a couple of minutes after the announcement that this was a reenactment and not an actual event, thought that the world was being invaded by martians and literally went crazy. Well we choose not to laugh and took the thought seriously that we could be separate from God, we choose not to hear the Holy Spirit's response .. "Hey guys, it just a silly thought ... don't take it seriously, ... and we see the result. Homo sapiens ... we are truly drama queens and I can hang with the best of them ... But after the workshops this past week ... I am becoming aware of the price I pay to get attention ... to be right ... to be better or the best (seemingly infinite forms of specialness) ... to attack ... to get justice, to protect myself, to walk around in fear (the list is exhaustive) and just how insane it all is because there is simply no one out there. Peace **One of the things I especially appreciated in reading Gary's book were the historical examples that Pursah and Arten spoke of concerning the various forms of victim/victimiztion scripts that governments from the beginning have been using ... and I was able to apply that to what is happening here in the States.

God's Higher Court Just Handed Out Some CITATIONS: I'd like to share some CITATIONS from the Course for you newcomers. First, about, "I made you. It is in the Course.": "...What if you recognized this world is an hallucination? What if you really understood you made it up?" (T443) About God making the world and people, not!: "The reality of death is firmly rooted in the belief that God's Son is a body. And if God created bodies, death would indeed be real. But God would not be loving." (M66-67) "The world you see is an illusion of a world. God did not create it, for what He creates must be eternal as Himself." (CL85) About God creating any part of the world, not!: "There is no world! This is the central thought the Course attempts to teach." (W243) About the unseen, unconscious mind controlling bodies, as if they were ROBOTS, but cleverly masking this control through the forces of the universe: "The body appears to be largely self-motivated and independent, yet it actually responds only to the intentions of the mind." (PRxii) About unconscious guilt being the driving force behind this world: "Guilt asks for punishment, and its request is granted. Not in truth, but in the world of shadows and illusions built on sin." (T554) About non-duality. Duality = 2. (This is for you mathematicians out there.) Non-duality = 1, which is non-twoness. Thus oneness means no division. Duality (2) = DIVISION. Thus oneness = NON-DUALITY. Two or more (division) = ego. "The ego is the part of your mind that believes in division. How could a part of God detach itself without believing it is attacking Him?" (T84) The solution? "Forgiveness is the central theme that runs throughout salvation, holding all its parts in meaningful relationships, the course it runs directed and its outcome sure." (W324) Love and peace, Gary.

I didn't notice. I know it apparently has unstated ones. And I know I always have the choice of participating or not. ~ Carrie Hi Carrie, As far as I know the group has no rules, and as you should be able to see for yourself by now, people are free to say anything they want. I believe in freedom of speech, and when you get the book in the mail you'll see that Pursah says very early, "You will find we are very free with our speech indeed." I like to follow their example. Also, I don't feel superior to you and I don't have any problem with you saying how you feel. Sometimes the reason I don't respond to posts is just because I have a lot of other things on my plate right now. Love and peace, Gary.

Thank you, Gene...I, too, am appreciative of all the reminders from one and all. I have to wonder, though, what is it that is so fear producing about the various perspectives of the Course, and "Disappearance" in particular? Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. From: Gene Bogart <gene@...> Reply-To: Disappearance_of_the_Universe@... To: <Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...> Subject: Re: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] "Just A Reminder"; & Hi, I'mKaren Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 13:35:04 -0400 Hi Sheila, In an earlier post, I mentioned: "...if it's something wrong that I really did, I can understand their being mad... but when I've simply been misunderstood, and I have clearly explained the errors in their perception -- and they STILL remain upset with me -- yes, I know it's a wonderful opportunity for me to practice advanced forgiveness, and let it go, and forgive what never happened... And I do! I really do, more and more all the time.... Still, there seems to be a part of me that just wants to know, "why?"... And then, you wrote: What a PERFECT reminder! Thank you, Sheila... ...and to Karen, who said: Hey; it takes some to know some.... Hugs to all, Gene To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Disappearance_of_the_Universe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello suechantree@..., In reference to your comment: è Then, ego links our very happiness to what we expect. è The reality of happiness is replaced with ideas of è "what makes me happy". I like that ... I will definitely ponder on that. è Singularity is fragmented into millions of possibilities or è story-lines. The ego-matrix of possibilities is endless, è and we can often feel lost in this. Here is another ego-matrix possibility LOL Ancient Planet Some 13 billion years ago in a distant cluster of stars, a planet formed. Remarkably it's still there, according to data from the Hubble Space Telescope. http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/10jul_psrplanet.htm?list48933

Jim and All, I seem to just LOVE you guys and this seemingly healthy and whole approach to this forum on "Disappearance" and ACIM. What seems to have been negative energy the other day now seems to have dissipated...as if we've had a "disappearance" of conflict within our own group. We seem to be "agreeing to disagree" as well. That seems to be way cool!!! Peace to All.... Sheila Namast: I honor in you the divinity that I honor within myself and I know we are one. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Hey Carrie. Yes, I feel like things are being resolved in a very good way too, and I never thought you and I had a problem. Isn't it interesting you grew up in Revere, Massachusetts? I grew up about 20 miles north of you in Beverly (I was born in Salem, the next town over.) And you're right, my last name is French, Renard meaning "fox". Lewiston, Maine does have a large French population. A lot of French people moved down from Canada about a hundred and fifty years ago and built up the place. But I never had any connection to the area until I moved up here to Poland Spring (where the water comes from) about 13 and a half years ago from Massachusetts. It's sunny as you say, but it sure is cold in the winter! The experiences described in the book started about 10 and a half years ago, about 3 years after I moved here. I do live in the Lewiston area, but not in Lewiston itself. Right now I'm in Auburn, still at the same place that I moved to at the end of 1999, as mentioned in the book. I never actually said what town I was in for the book, (I think I had some delusion about privacy, LOL) but most of it happened on White Oak Hill in Poland, Maine. It's great to have you here, and I hope you like the book. Let me know what you think. Love and peace, Gary. Hi Gary, Sorry about last night, I kind of overreacted (I have all fire and air signs and tend to combust) But it all worked out, and I feel it's resolved (in a really good way) with Patrick and Karen. "All things are lessong God would have us learn", and such. I don't know about you, I don't think you and I had a problem to start with (LOL) btw, are you originally from MA? You mentioned going there and one of your emails (that Karen used) seems to indicate that. But then I think your name is french, and Lewiston was a predominately french area, at least at one time. We used to get the paper from there (long ago) and considered it as a place to move to. For some reason I always think of it as sunny (don't know why, I haven't seen it all that much) Just wondering about MA because I grew up in Revere, North(Shore) of Boston. ~ Carrie

Carrie wrote: --- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "garyrrenard" <garyrrenard@y...> wrote: Yup, I do. Just joking! As Pursah says on P.348 of "Disappearance," "One of the Holy Spirit's finest tools is laughter, my brother. If you take the world too seriously, it will take you." Love and peace, Gary.

I had not planned on sending in any more of the Lessons from Ken's tapes, as I think that any one that wants them, can get them for themselves. :-) However, I think this lesson should have been heard or read as whole, to get a clearer understanding of what Ken was meaning. At least that is what came to me, as I continued listening to it. So I am hoping others too, well get a clearer understanding from this. ~ Martha :-) Again ... this is from Ken Wapnick's Commentaries on the Workbook Lessons. Volume I. Tape(4) LESSON 26. "My attack thoughts are attacking my invulnerability." Ken: This is another important lesson. Obviously if I have attack thoughts then I must believe I am vulnerable. If I believe I am vulnerable, I cannot be Christ. Because Christ is invulnerable. If I am as God created me - if my reality is pure spirit then I am one with everything and everyone. Therefore there is no one out there that could really hurt me. So, as long as I believe there is something out there that could hurt me, within my own body or someone else's body then I am saying that I am vulnerable. And if I am saying I am vulnerable, I am saying once again, I am right and the Holy Spirit is wrong. (W-26.1-4) "It is surely obvious that if you can be attacked you are not invulnerable. You see attack as a real threat. That is because you believe that you can really attack." Ken: Well the very fact that I am here is proving to me I can really attack. Because - how did I get here? I can only have gotten here because I attacked God first. "And what would have effects through you must also have effects on you." Ken: Because it is all the same. As we have seen in earlier lessons, the inner and the outer are one and the same. There is no difference. So, if I believe I can attack, then I will also believe I can be attacked. That is why he said in the earlier lesson that we must understand that the thought of attacking and being attacked are one and the same. They all come from the same thought system. And whatever I believe is coming from outside, is inside. "It is this law that will ultimately save you, but you are misusing it now." Ken: It will ultimately save me, because its saying that everything is an illusion. What seems to be outside of me, seems to be an illusion. What seems to be inside of me, the ego thought system, is an illusion. "You must therefore learn how it can be used for your own best interests, rather than against them." Ken: Again - so what the ego says, that the law that has effects on me, namely that I can attack others, also works the other way. That as I learn to forgive and let the love of God through me, then that love will come back to me as well. So basically the laws of extension and projection are exactly the same. They just have different contents. What I believe is real inside of me as an ego, I project out, automatically. And then will believe it is going to hurt me in return. That is what projection is. Extension is, I identify with the love of Jesus within me, and that love automatically comes through me and therefore its that love I have perceived all around me. Either expressions of it, or calls for it. "Because your attack thoughts will be projected, you will fear attack. And if you fear attack, you must believe that you are not invulnerable." Ken: That's what proves your right, and Jesus is wrong. So, Jesus says, what are you so upset about? All this is a dream. And we say to him "What do you mean all this is a dream? Look at how I have been attacked. Look at how I suffer. Look at the pain I am feeling. Look at the pain other people other people are feeling. We are all vulnerable. Don't tell me this is all a dream." And that is how we prove that we are right and he is wrong. And our pain - if we perceive it in others or ourselves - is what the final proof is, to the ego, that God is dead and we exist. "Attack thoughts therefore make you vulnerable in your own mind, which is where the attack thoughts are." Ken: If I perceive attack thoughts in you, and make them real, no matter what you are doing. And I make the

FYI: As far as I know, no one is moderated on this list. However, it is not my group. I didn't start it and I don't have any control over it. I cannot edit, delete or affect what is on the board. It was started by a guy named Nelson, but he is a different Nels than someone of a similar name who has posted here recently. The founders e-mail address is YoungNel97@y...(Yahoo.com). As Patrick said in his announcement that he sent out to readers of my book: I personally do not believe in controlling what anyone else has to say and have never done so, not even on my old board where I would have had the power to do so. However, it is my decision whether or not I choose to participate, and I personally will not take the time to respond to posts of a personally critical nature, as I believe they are beneath the dignity of serious spiritual students and do not serve anyone. If you'd like to ask the founder any questions, please feel free. Love and peace, Gary.

Gary's book that is. I've been told the number of copies that were sold to Endeaver Academy and have been getting email updates saying that they have now bought (ordered) another large amount. In Karen's post the other day (as "Zak") she said "you can ask Ted". I don't mean this at all to question the truth of this, but since Ted (Hector) is listed as a member here- thought he doesn't seem to have ever posted, I thought maybe if he reads this he might explain more about this. Like just what they are finding so interesting about this book, they ordered such a large number of copies and now have ordered more? Someone mentioned (somewhere) that MT loves it and how it talks about "forgiveness" which is something he hadn't thought about before (rough quote from memory). How could someone who claims to be an Enlightened Master, teaching ACIM have not thought about (or taught) forgiveness, before? This is strictly for the sake of discussion, and maybe if Ted checks in here, and has some free time, he can tell us more about this. Also, how many people are actually at Endeaver Academy now? So that they need such a large number of books (over 100 I think) and couldn't just several copies around, between them? Oh, changing the subject, while looking at the member list to see who I might already know, I saw an email address "kelpiep" Nobody I know (that I know of) but... we happen to have an Australian Kelpie (dog) who's parents were imported from Australia. I thought the name might refer to another kelpie owner? Ours came to us more by accident than be choice and we'd never heard of the breed before. If you don't have a 300 acre sheep farm they can be trained to herd on, they are a challenge to live with. But, aside from that.... this one is sweet and VERY smart. I guess, like people no dogs come into our life by accident. ~ Carrie

Maybe another example of reality (as we know it) coming unglued... or maybe just a fluke with the internet. I'm not even sure I can explain it. This morning I found in my INBOX a (new)email from someone I had once been in an egroup with. Around 3 years ago. At the time I was having a problem with some of the regulars, and this person (who was more low key) wrote me a letter of "support" saying how much she enjoyed my posts and how open and outspoken I was, etc. I wrote her back and we exchanged a few emails at the time. I didn't notice this morning, as I clicked on REPLY and wrote something back (to what I thought was another email from her- maybe in support of what seemed to have happened here?) that the reply was going to a group at "onelist" (which was later bought out and change to yahoo egroups) and the date on it was 3 Mar 2096! And on the bottom of it was a letter from me, it was in response to, dated March 2000. So, I wrote a response and sent it, and even though it was to "onelist" which no longer exhists, apparently it was received by the egroup and the person who's name was on it read it. SHE THOUGHT I WAS WRITING TO HER NOW, responding to a letter from 2000! She wrote back and said it was good to hear from me after all this time and answering a letter from 2000 sounded like something she might do. And to refresh her memory, WHICH list was it referring to? I had saved her origainl letter (of support) way back on the earlier pages of my Yahoo email and I went to look and make sure it was the same letter I had gotten this morning and it was no longer there! Thus, I received a letter in my IN BOX that I had orignally received in 2003 (though it was now dated 2096- and I didn't even have a computer till 1998) and thinking it was current, responded to it- to an address of a group that was no longer "onelist". The person got it, and wrote back, thinking I had just written to her after 3 years "out of the blue". I just checked an the date on for the letter (unopenned) in my INBOX says 1/27. The dates on the full hearder info say Mar 2000. Except for the one place that says 3 Mar 2096. I am waiting to see if she has any ideas about this, now that I've written back and told her all this. And I hadn't written to her this morning in response to the one I thought I had just received from her. Maybe computers are really taking over and manipulating our lives? More likely it's some sort of guidance to check out the egroup (which I am still member of, and is now Yahoo egroups) that I haven't thought about in a long time. Or else it's been stuck in a yahoo mail bottleneck for 3 years and just go through! Just thought I'd write about this here. I mean Gary wrote a book based on conversations with ghosts (LOL) ~ Carrie

Jim wrote: earlier years, and I started laughing at how I have "appeared" in so many excarnations. I love that word, Jim; "excarnations." Thanks and peace out, Gary.

Hi Martha. I'm trying to beat Carrie's record for most consecutive postings. (LOL) Just kidding Carrie. I don't know what happened with the postings, Martha. I usually come to the group to read the postings and write them. I don't get postings in my inbox or send them from my e-mail, so I haven't had a chance to have that particular problem. I would say that if it happens to someone else then it's probably Yahoo having technical difficulties, but if it only happens to you then it's probably your computer. Wait, you told me not to tell you that! Love and peace, Gary.

Hey Carrie, You're making me nostalgic mentioning all those places in Massachusetts. It's only a couple of hours away but I haven't been going there that much in the last ten years until I went last weekend. It was great; I love New England in the summer. As far as Endeavor goes, I don't know exactly how many people are there. If Ted wants to post he's certainly welcome to. I know most people who join just read the posts, which is cool. It's up to them if they want to say anything. All I can do is confirm for you that it's true what you say about over a hundred copies being sold at or right around the Academy. That's all we can really say without violating privacy. It's public knowledge how many books get sold by an author and where, but it's nobody's business who bought them unless they themselves want to say so. As for why they would need so many and not just pass a few copies around, I would think it would be because people who are interested in the book would want to have their own copy. As with studying the Course, people like having their own book so they can take their time with it, mark it, read it more than once, etc, rather than being rushed. Unless of course they were going to skim it like mad. But who would want to do that? Love and peace, Gary.

"Don't get sucked in by your success; don't always expect agreement either." Hi Gary, I saw via the Fearless Newsletter/Updates that you're planning on going the "book lecture route" and as I read that, I felt concerned. That's a treacherous path, lots of pot holes (dealing w/fame is a challenge for anyone). I tried ignoring my feelings. But, that didn't work, the concern kept coming back. Then on a 'fluke' ~ I reached out, and randomly opened up your book . And the quote see above, was on the page I opened to, and where my eyes were drawn. At that point I didn't know if I should say anything or not, because I can't be sure that I didn't pull that quote to me, because of my feeling concerned. Well, finally I decided, ahhh ~ what the heck (!), I'll post this. Because, it's good advice, and perhaps you really do need the reminder. (?) ~anyway... Take care, Love Deb __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com

Hi Elizabeth, and welcome! I can't believe you read all of the postings in four hours. It was all I could do to read today's. (LOL) Thanks so much for your kind words about the book. I'm glad it makes a difference for you. Also, Patrick (of Fearless Books) and I are finding that most people who contact us are reading the book at least twice, which I'm very happy about, and report a similar experience to yours. I'm happy to have you with us and I'll be glad to answer those questions when you have them. Love and peace, Gary.

Deb wrote: "Don't get sucked in by your success; don't always expect agreement either." Hi Gary, I saw via the Fearless Newsletter/Updates that you're planning on going the "book lecture route" and as I read that, I felt concerned. That's a treacherous path, lots of pot holes (dealing w/fame is a challenge for anyone). I tried ignoring my feelings. But, that didn't work, the concern kept coming back. Then on a 'fluke' ~ I reached out, and randomly opened up your book …. And the quote see above, was on the page I opened to, and where my eyes were drawn. At that point I didn't know if I should say anything or not, because I can't be sure that I didn't pull that quote to me, because of my feeling concerned. Well, finally I decided, ahhh ~ what the heck (!), I'll post this. Because, it's good advice, and perhaps you really do need the reminder. (?) ~anyway... Take care, Love Deb Hi Deb. Well, I certainly don't always expect agreement! But yeah, I thought about what Pursah said before any decision was made, so I'll tell you why I think I'm guided by the Holy Sprit to do some appearances. I appreciate the love with which your post was written. So let me say first, I'm not going "on tour" or doing the traditional book lecture route. I'll be doing a light schedule, maybe as few as a half dozen appearances this year. I wouldn't want to work hard or anything. (LOL) Second, something Jon Mundy said in April got my attention. He was talking about Carlos Casteneda (I hope I spelled that right) the author of the Don Juan materials. This master appeared before Carlos for many years and was the teacher in his books. But Carlos never appeared in public, ever. And today, people don't really know how he felt. Was he ambivalent about these appearances? How much of it was made up and how much of it was true? Was it embellished? Even though I think Carlos may have done a couple of magazine interviews, because no one could see his sincerity, people don't really know how he felt. You could also say the same about Helen Schucman. I don't blame her for not wanting to speak in public. As I conveyed in the book, I'm not the kind of person to really do that sort of thing either. That in itself is an important forgiveness lesson for me. Why should it have any effect on me? Why should I be nervous? But as for Helen, I wouldn't mind being able to see some interviews with her today and really see for myself how she felt about what was going on. So I can promise you one thing, (and not much else!) people in the future aren't going to have any trouble figuring out how I feel about Arten and Pursah's appearances and how much of the book is true. I'm going to tell them in person and on camera that this is how it happened. This is my experience. It's not made up or embellished. This is how it happened for me. I say right in my author's note that it's not *necessary* for people to believe it in order to derive benefits from the information in the book. But I'm not going to leave any doubt about where I'm coming from or what my position is. The other reason is to encourage people to not back away from the message of the Course or "The Disappearance of the Universe." This is one radical freakin' book, and there's no getting away from that. As my teachers said, "Do it. Do the Course, Gary. Don't dumb it down." So Deb, I may not always be a writer and I certainly will not always be a speaker, but while I am I'm going to make sure people get that this isn't some act. With love, thanks and peace, Gary.

This one is lovingly for Red Pill (and anyone else who might want it), because it is, I hope, practical ways to use the metaphysics of the Course. An example or examples. I'm not sure what I'm going to write yet. As I have mentioned, I have in my home a 25 year old young woman, a student of ACIM who came to me asking for help as she is involved in a relationship where there has been some "seeming" lies and a feeling of abandonment, etc. I am renting her a room for an indefinite amount of time. Her fiance is also a student of ACIM, and they are both friends of mine, although I have to admit that before this happened, I hardly really knew them. Just had seen them at discussion groups, and I go very infrequently (once every few months maybe!), so you can see I didn't know her very well. So I feel she has been sent to me to teach her and also to learn from. One thing I am learning is how to help someone. Also, it is great, because we have what amounts to at least one intensive study a day. Last night and this morning after some things I told her, she says are a "huge" help to her, so I am sharing. Mind you, this is an ongoing experiment - this technique I have used on myself and which she is trying. It's about how to perceive when you are so emotionally involved in an argument or sorrow or whatever that you cannot get out of the ego. It uses heavily the metaphysics of there not being a world. I figure if you cannot use this in a practcal manner, what good is it? Here is an example where it is used. 1) This first part is a good technique to use whenever - to get into the habit of looking at the world this way. Take watching a movie as an example. The projector is what projects the movie onto the screen. And yet it "seems" as if the movie is real. In fact, while watching it, I will forget it's not real sometimes and feel emotional while identifying with the characters - who are not real. To me, the projector represents the decision maker choosing to project either ego or spirit thoughts onto the screen called the world. The movie is the projection. I, sitting in the audience am also the decision maker choosing to either believe it's real or not. If I think it's real, I'm in the ego. If I know it's not real, I am choosing to look with the Holy Spirit. So one thing I like to practice doing is watch movies or TV or whatever and note when I am perceiving whatever I am watching as real. If I find myself getting emotionally involved in it, then I realize I am believing it is real. I find the Jerry Springer Show great for this, for example. See, I think of it this way. Even scientifically there is no way at all to prove that the world is real. The only way we could test to see if it were real is to use the body. No matter what experiment used, it would involve touching, seeing, hearing, etc. and there is no way to get outside this world to observe. Scientifically speaking, too, it has been found that dreams are just as real to a brain as reality. It will react in exactly the same way. There has been exhaustive scientific writing done on this, but no need for me. I am going to assume that the world is not real, because I am taking ACIM to mean what it says as an experiment. J didn't say we had to believe it; just try it. So whenever I think of it, I practice this. Even not watching TV, but while I am having a conversation with someone, for instance, I will get in touch with the decision maker and while talking, the part of me that is the observer, the part that can stand back and watch, which is the decision maker will just kind of note that what I am seeing is not real. I have found that most times it is just about impossible to remaim emotional while observing that it is not real, and what I am doing, too, is stepping aside so that the HS can work. The other part of this - going even further - is that I will imagine that I am actually in a virtual reality movie or play - and that I am one of the characters in the play. My part in the play is the role of Linda Langlois (currently). So I act the role of Linda - her personality - and p

Hello, ideaofgod, On the comment I made below, I did not go back and edit what I wrote. If I did, I would not have written that I made the Atonement. What I meant was that I made the world. As is discussed in Disappearance, not me at this level - Linda - but the Son of God. Once awakened, I will see that it all never happened, but the Course speaks to what I can understand now. Or at least that is within my grasp with the help of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for pointing it out as it may have been confusing to some people. All the other things I said, I have seen numerous references in reading, but I do not write them down. The Disappearance of the Universe is full of them, though, as are Ken Wapnick's tapes and books. Two others I like are daan dehn's webpages and David Hoffmeister's. daan dehn is now in New Zealand moving there from Arizona, but his website was and is still a wonderful resource for me. Love, Linda wrote: wrote: world