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Hello jldunn8@...,

In reference to your comment:

è? ALL THINGS are lessons God would have us learn. So
è we get to look at that part of our mind we have kept
è hidden that insults and attacks. Great.. Bring it on! If
è we take insults and attacks personally, we are lost in
è the delusion that we are bodies. That bodies can
è attack.. That they need defending.. as the lesson 190
è would intone.."Peace to such foolishness! The time
è has come to laugh at such insane ideas."

Yeah, let me go out and shoot white people because of what they did to black people ... and say they are lessons that God would have me learn,? or side with the indians who want the land that the white people stole from them ... and say I want them to help them to "see" differently and believe me, minorities** in the USA and I am sure in other countries have some serious victim/victimization scripts running 24-7, but with the study of the Course I am learning to look at this issues from the "Mind" ... and try to remember where the real problem lies and then be willing to see it differently with the Right Teacher.

Sometimes folks we need to choose our lessons.? There are some leesons that need to stay within our little minds that need to be processed with Jesus/HolySpirit, and there are just some you need to dismiss ... because it is just so damn silly.

When I read and hear the statement .. that the ego thought system appeared because we simply forgot or choose "not to laugh": ... well being on various listservs? (and I am on lot) ... I see this scenario reenacted over and over again.

I also remember the analogy of the Orson Wells' War of the Worlds that Ken used at the academny/workshop where folks who came into the program a couple of minutes after the announcement that this was a reenactment and not an actual event, thought that the world was being invaded by martians and literally went crazy.? Well we choose not to laugh and took the thought seriously that we could be separate from God, we choose not to hear the Holy Spirit's response? .. "Hey guys, it just a silly thought? ... don't take it seriously,? ... and we see the result.

Homo sapiens ... we are truly drama queens and I can hang with the best of them ...

But after the workshops this past week ... I am becoming aware of the price I pay to get attention ... to be right ... to be better or the best (seemingly infinite forms of specialness) ... to attack ... to get justice, to protect myself, to walk around in fear (the list is exhaustive)? and just how insane it all is because there is simply no one out there.

Peace

**One of the things I especially appreciated in reading Gary's book were the historical examples that Pursah and Arten spoke of concerning the various forms of victim/victimiztion scripts that governments from the beginning have been using ... and I was able to apply that to what is happening here in the States.

#290

Yes, Ossie. There is no one out there. It is not the world that is insane, since it is not out there. The Son of God is not a body nor a part of a world and in my thinking that, I am insane! Not this body, Linda, made up the world. But I am not Linda. I am not a body. I have no name. Therefore, I, as Linda - a personality - an individual separate from other individuals, am not real. If I think so, I, the decision maker - not Linda - will not see myself as the Son of God. And in seeing myself as the Son of God, it would be impossible for me to see you as a Son of God and you as a Son of God anymore than it is possible to see God and me.

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(Sorry, Red Pill. You didn't want a lot of quotes. We can each read the book ourselves. Close your eyes. LOL)

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W-pI.132. 12, 13

Release the world! Your real creations wait for this release to give you fatherhood, not of illusions, but as God in truth. God shares His Fatherhood with you who are His Son, for He makes no distinctions in what is Himself and what is still Himself. What he creates is not apart from Him, and nowhere does the Father end, the Son begin as something separate from Him. [This is Oneness. No Son and Father, which would make two. The father created in the first place, but now it is impossible to see where the Father ends and the Son begins.? The same as there is nowhere you end and I begin. To see that is to look totally beyond bodies and words - names being a word - individualities and see beyond the world. To live in the illusion, yes, while I believe in it, but even as I speak to someone I look beyond the body and everything that seems to be happening and said - to Christ in the other. Since the whole world is a projection, a mirror of what I think, then when I see Christ in another - beyond his seeming body and face and name and personality - I see myself as Christ, too, as there is really no one out there. Then I am seeing what is real. This is forgiveness. This is Atonement. This is real. Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God. Without the Holy Spirit's help and Jesus' help, I would never see it as I am so insane and so frightened within this illusion. Even as I write these words, I recognize that I am really writing them to myself]

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There is no world because it is a thought apart from God, and made to separate the Father and the Son, and break away a part of God Himself and thus destroy His Wholeness. Can a world which comes from this idea be real? Can it be anywhere? Deny illusions, but accept the truth. Deny you are a shadow briefly laid upon a dying world. Release your mind, and you will look upon a world released.

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As long as I believe in this world and believe that the Son of God is this individual called Linda, I will not see this, and I will be insane and arrogant?living a lie and believing a lie. The lie says that I am separate from God. The lie is that I think there is a world. The lie that there is form and time. The lie that says that there are bodies. In truth it did not happen, but it will seem as if it has.

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W-pI.132.4, 5

The world is nothing in itself. Your mind must give it meaning. And what you behold upon it are your wishes acted out so you can look on them and think them real. Perhaps you think you did not make the world, but came unwillingly to what was made already, hardly waiting for your thoughts to give it meaning. Yet in truth you found exactly what you looked for when you came.

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There is no world apart from what you wish, and herein lies your ultimate release. Change but your mind on what you want to see, and all the world must change accordingly. Ideas leave not their source. This central theme is often stated in the text and must be borne in mind if you would understand the lesson for today. It is not pride which tells you that you made the world you see, and that it changes as you change your?mind.?

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T.18.VI. 1 - There is nothing outside you. That is what you must ultimately learn, for it is the realization that the Kingdom of Heaven is restored to you. For God created only this, and He did not depart from it nor leave it separate from Himself. The Kingdom of Heaven is the dwelling place of the Son of God, who left not His Father and dwells not apart from Him. Heaven is not a place nor a condition. It is merely an awareness of perfect Oneness, and the knowledge that there is nothing else; nothing outside this Oneness and nothing else within.

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Thanks for your input as always, Ossie. This turns out to be a lesson for me this morning.

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Love,

Linda

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Ossie said:

I also remember the analogy of the Orson Wells' War of the Worlds that Ken used at the academny/workshop where folks who came into the program a couple of minutes after the announcement that this was a reenactment and not an actual event, thought that the world was being invaded by martians and literally went crazy.? Well we choose not to laugh and took the thought seriously that we could be separate from God, we choose not to hear the Holy Spirit's response? .. "Hey guys, it just a silly thought? ... don't take it seriously,? ... and we see the result.

Homo sapiens ... we are truly drama queens and I can hang with the best of them ...

But after the workshops this past week ... I am becoming aware of the price I pay to get attention ... to be right ... to be better or the best (seemingly infinite forms of specialness) ... to attack ... to get justice, to protect myself, to walk around in fear (the list is exhaustive)? and just how insane it all is because there is simply no one out there.

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#293

--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., LindaL 
<lklanglois@y...> wrote:
Yes, Ossie. There is no one out there. It is not the world that is insane, since it is not out there. The Son of God is not a body nor 
a part of a world and in my thinking that, I am insane! Not this 
body, Linda, made up the world. But I am not Linda. I am not a body. 
I have no name. Therefore, I, as Linda - a personality - an 
individual separate from other individuals, am not real. If I think 
so, I, the decision maker - not Linda - will not see myself as the 
Son of God. And in seeing myself as the Son of God, it would be 
impossible for me to see you as a Son of God and you as a Son of God 
anymore than it is possible to see God and me.

Amen, Amen and Amen Linda.  

But what I also keep in mind is the statement that Ken made many 
times last week at the workshops "As long as you walk into your 
bathroom and see someone looking back at you, you believe you are 
here"  ::::sighing::::: 

I am on the bottom run of the ladder ... intellecturally (sp?) I 
understand some of the metaphysics of the Course ... but it is far 
from my experience ... even though I do have moments of "clarity"  
when I choose to see this insane perception of myself with the Right 
Teacher.


Peace

Ossie

#294

Same with me, Ossie. I am much more at peace. But I do not deny that there is still much more forgiveness to go as long as I believe in this world in any way. Where is it in the Course that says that as long as I have the slightest irritation over anything, I believe the world is real. And the slightest irritation is no different than murder. It is still belief in the world. Until I see the face of Christ in every living being, I still have a long way to go. However, I am so grateful for the forgivenesses and help which I have received. I am grateful to everyone on this discussion group. Yes, that includes you, starchild. You are my teacher same as anyone here. You are no different. You are the same.

ynottakeall wrote:

--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., LindaL
wrote:
> Yes, Ossie. There is no one out there. It is not the world that is
insane, since it is not out there. The Son of God is not a body nor
a part of a world and in my thinking that, I am insane! Not this
body, Linda, made up the world. But I am not Linda. I am not a body.
I have no name. Therefore, I, as Linda - a personality - an
individual separate from other individuals, am not real. If I think
so, I, the decision maker - not Linda - will not see myself as the
Son of God. And in seeing myself as the Son of God, it would be
impossible for me to see you as a Son of God and you as a Son of God
anymore than it is possible to see God and me.

Amen, Amen and Amen Linda.

But what I also keep in mind is the statement that Ken made many
times last week at the workshops "As long as you walk into your
bathroom and see someone looking back at you, you believe you are
here" ::::sighing:::::

I am on the bottom run of the ladder ... intellecturally (sp?) I
understand some of the metaphysics of the Course ... but it is far
from my experience ... even though I do have moments of "clarity"
when I choose to see this insane perception of myself with the Right
Teacher.

Peace

Ossie

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?(Sorry, Red Pill. You didn't want a lot of quotes. We can each read the book ourselves. Close your eyes. LOL)

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My bad!? I read them anyway. Since my attempted intro and it’s tepid reception

I’ve just been lurking and trying to get a better feel for the group.

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It appears to in some kind of transition.

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I do like quotations with thoughtful commentary and as long

as there’s MORE commentary than quotes I usually pick up

something valuable.

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Great contribution!

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Jim

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#321

Glad to see you back from lurking, Jim. Not tepid, no!! I thought it was good and thoughtful. I'll be lurking next week for the most part. I'm on vacation this week. Normally, I don't have much time for discussions.

red pill wrote:

?(Sorry, Red Pill. You didn't want a lot of quotes. We can each read the book ourselves. Close your eyes. LOL)

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My bad!? I read them anyway. Since my attempted intro and its tepid reception

Ive just been lurking and trying to get a better feel for the group.

?

It appears to in some kind of transition.

?

I do like quotations with thoughtful commentary and as long

as theres MORE commentary than quotes I usually pick up

something valuable.

?

Great contribution!

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Jim

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