I think it's something you have to decide and feel is "right" for
you (or not).
Doesn't really matter what others are doing, or Ken suing anyone,
etc.etc.
It's only a book.
It says in it, after doing the workbook lessons that we're not in
the hands of our "Inner Teacher".
I haven't been too good at this, I'm not a natural listener (LOL)
I take what feels right to me from a lot of things (books, tapes,
my own thinking, etc) and pass over what doesn't.
This might change from day to day, or minute to minute.
I don't "do" the lessons anymore, and don't really read the book to
much now. I figure if I don't know what it says by now, I probably
never will.
I've been in sort of a put it into my life mode for the past few
years. I think since the time I got a computer and online.
I don't think I'm a spiritual teacher, or probably even a good
example of ACIM.
I'm a human being on the planet earth, illusion as it may be, doing
the best I can like everyone else.
I don't know how to be anything else.
I think all we can do is remember to look inside ourselves and
not "out there" for answers.
I, myself don't think Ken and Endeaver Academy are living what
ACIM teaches, and if one side would back down and let the other
be "right" THAT side would be the real winner.
Just my own opinion about it.
It's only a book. And anyting can (and sometimes is) used as an ego
issue.
But only one ego can see ego issues in anyone else.
The course doesn't let us get away with anything.
Good thing we can choose to learn through joy instead of pain, and
at each moment we can start again.
Over and over and over and over.
~ Carrie
--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "sonnetone"
<sonnet.one@n...> wrote:
Hi Carrie,
I read ACIM a few years ago, but only got to number 12 in the
lessons. I
really only half understood the text because I don't really have a
Church
background and the Jesus thing kind of put me off. Having read
Gary's book I
have gone back to reading some of it and find it makes more sense
now, even
if I am still a bit taken aback by the whole notion of unreal
worlds not
created by God and reappearing ascended Masters etc.
I always did resonate, though, with the idea of the Comforter being
sent to
bring you peace-for me that would equate with the Holy Spirit who
sees your
error but does not believe in it.
Anyway, following on from this little backgound info, I would like
to ask if
you know of any sites where I might find some of the history to the
court
cases and fall outs amongst the ACIM factions. I am interested, as
I've been
loosely involved in groups before and it's only after you've been
involved
awhile you get to hear all the things that would have made you
leave sooner
rather later. All does not appear to be as rosy in the ACIM garden
as I
thought and I would just like to more aware of where the thorns
are. I don't
want to be wasting a year of my life doing lessons that have a
dubious and
disputed origin.
I thank you in advance of any advice you can give - I believe that
only a
true seeker has the temerity to ask all the questions that in the
end will
leave only silence and perhaps a knowing smile,
David
----- Original Message -----
From: "starchild1124" <starchild1124@y...>
To: <Disappearance_of_the_Universe@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:07 AM
Subject: [Disappearance_of_the_Universe] Re: A + P used to mean
something
This is a discussion list.... I was writing it in the spirit of
discussion.
I didn't mean it personally against Ken and his judgement.
I was told he said to someone on the phone he was suing people
over
the copyright because of an "agreement we made when we chose to
be in
the world of form/illusion".
He also sued Ryan Rothgab who believed, and believes that ACIM
was
written by Jesus (which Helen and the foundation used to INSIST
on-
that Helen had nothing to do with writing it, and now they have
changed all that and claim she is the author) and Ryan went to
court
without a lawyer and used what the court teaches as his "non
defense".
He lost and was fined a huge amount, which, with interest is now
over $200,000.
The guy works as a clown, entertaining children, and believe
ACIM
is the word of God, that he is living.
I know his peace isn't disturbed by the fine and how it will
probably be a million dollars by the time he dies, and I know he
needs or wants no defense.
We're told not to see ourselves (or others) as unfairly treated
and victims of the world we see.
But, going by Ken's beliefs that we made an agreement to go by
the
laws of the world (like suing people over the ownership of WORDS)
it
doesn't seem like a very nice thing to take someone who had
websites
based on ACIM and bring him to court, win, and now hold a
$200,000+
settlement over them.
Ken could have taken him to court, won and not asked for damages
from a person who will never be able to pay it. He could have
FORGIVEN Ryan for his mistakes- for believing the course was
written
by Jesus and given to the world to live and share.
It's only words in a book, and form.
Ken uses the excuse he wants to protect the course and keep
people
from changing it and using it out of context, but after reading
the
Urtext and seeing home much he changed it, that's kind of a joke.
Also, seems like he could be more of an example of living what
it
says, in the way he treats his "brothers in Christ".
That probably sounds judgemental, but is coming from the point
of
view that he takes.
We're in the world and this is how the world is and sees
things.
Maybe he's making the point that it's not possible to put "what
the course teaches" into our lives, while living in the world of
form.
Doesn't sound at all like the tapes he made, that I used to
listen
to right after I got the book.
But then he also used to tell about how Helen never wanted to
be
known as the author of the book, and now he has proven in a court
of
law that she was.
Not a big deal, just as I said- discussion on a discussion
board.
without discussion it would just be a "board"
~ Carrie
--- In Disappearance_of_the_Universe@..., "mstreet"
<mastreet@t...> wrote:
I sent this in early this morning but apparently it has
evaporated
or something or other. So I am pasting and sending this same
response
in again, and see what happens. :-) I just hope it doesn't come
across as being to harsh. I just feel that we have no way of
knowing
how another is being guided.
Carrie wrote:
Of course, then he might have to try and explain how his views
about suing people over the words in it relates to what it says
in
it.<<
Carrie:
I don't know, and I doubt if you know, the reason for Ken doing
whatever it is he doing. Maybe it is some agreement he made with
Helen, based on what her inner guidance was, or maybe it is part
of
his own forgiveness lessons.
How does that relate to all the course says, like "to have,
give
all to all" and we can only keep something by giving it away?<<
Now to me, this is talking about the Holy Spirit's Thought
system.
In order for me to know that I have that Thought system in my
mind, I
need to give it to all. If I restrict it to just a few, then I am
saying it is not true.
The Course tells us, our minds are split, between the wrong
minded
thought system of the ego, and the Holy Spirit's Thoughts, in our
right minds. I am not different from my brother in this. And I
also
share with them in the need of awakening.
The more I accept the Atonement or forgiveness (for myself) for
my
wrong perceptions, the more I am allowing the love of the Holy
Spirit
to reflect through me. As I do that more and more, I see that like
me, my brother too, has a right mind, that he can turn to,
whenever
he so chooses. As I acknowledge that, I am strengthening it in my
mind, "to have all, give to all." I am seeing that we are truly
joined in our minds. That the separation had no effect on the
truth,
that we are one.
~ Martha
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