I have not looked at the listing detail but one or two seem just to list something to show off.? Example is a rebuilding in progress of a Johnson Viking ll transmitter for around $ 1000.
Ralph ku4pt
On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:55:43 PM EDT, Jon w2anz via groups.io <macgahan@...> wrote:
Some ebay sellers will raise the price to a ridiculous amount when their item is out of stock. When the item is back in stock they will drop their price back to normal.? This is easier for them than removing and recreating the listing. Of course this is for new items and would not make sense for a one-of-a-kind item like a vintage radio.? -- 73, Jon w2anz
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Some ebay sellers will raise the price to a ridiculous amount when their item is out of stock. When the item is back in stock they will drop their price back to normal.? This is easier for them than removing and recreating the listing.
Of course this is for new items and would not make sense for a one-of-a-kind item like a vintage radio.?
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73,
Jon w2anz
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Today I use cheap gaming headsets (around $18 with microphone too).
They have a volume control in-line, just turn it down a little and the hum from old radios just
disappears.
73,
Gary
WB6OGD
On 04/04/2023 8:43 PM Richard Knoppow <1oldlens1@...> wrote:
Many modern headphones are low impedance, similar to speakers.? Many receivers connect the headphones right across the speaker output so it's really like putting the speaker right next to your ear.? Also, most of these phones have extended bass response.? ?When old fashioned high impedance phones are used the substantial mismatch reduces the level greatly us magnetic type phones have poor bass response.? The result is.that what should be negligible residual hum and noise becomes very noticeable.??
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From: Paul Christensen <w9ac@...>
Date: 4/4/23 4:46 PM (GMT-08:00)
Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Bill,
?
Thanks for the TRC-4Cw-RIT info.? Looks like you also have a super nice Hallicrafters ¡°Twins.¡±?
?
I just acquired a Cyclone III with HA-20 remote VFO.? It came in excellent shape but had more hum than I like when using Telex headphones of the type commonly used with COMM receivers in the 1960s.
?
In addition to a filter cap upgrade, I ended up adding a 40 uF/450VDC cap right onto the screen grid pin of the Cyclone¡¯s 6AQ5 audio output tube.? Starting at the main filter cap, as the cap was moved closer to the screen grid on the B+ line, hum gradually diminished.? Any tiny amount of ripple on the screen gets amplified along with the desired signal. That alone nearly eliminated all trace of hum. That trick can likely be applied to some Drake gear.
?
Paul, W9AC
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Paul,
We are close in serial number. My TR-4Cw-RIT is 45336. It came to me pristine but not working. Eventually I found a broken filament line wire in the harness that had several tubes not illuminated at all and some extra bright. As you would expect, the open line fouled up the planned series and parallel arrangement with the filament voltage to all the tubes. Likely the radio was pristine because it was never used.?
I was lucky in that after correction it worked fine and has yet to need any tubes replaced. In the case here, the radio is quite stable, and it performs well in that respect in comparison to my Drake R-4C and T-4XC. I never use these radios without at least a 30-minute warm-up. The radio must have worked at the factory - because it has never needed alignment.
My serial number is beyond the list on WB4HFN's website. While I did get the original manual with the radio, I did not get the build ticket showing the date. My estimate is around March of 1978.
73,
-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?
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Re: Drake and station WLO
That's a lot of R7s! I count 9 between the two brochure pictures. I hope they all found good homes. 73 -Jim NU0C On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 06:30:17 -0700 "John K5MO" <johnk5mo@...> wrote: Sorry, if this has been posted before, but there's an interesting photo of Drake gear in a commercial setting in the photo at the bottom of this page:
I remember hearing WLO yrs ago. Looks like they used both 4 line an 7 line equipment
John K5MO
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Many modern headphones are low impedance, similar to speakers.? Many receivers connect the headphones right across the speaker output so it's really like putting the speaker right next to your ear.? Also, most of these phones have extended bass response.? ?When old fashioned high impedance phones are used the substantial mismatch reduces the level greatly us magnetic type phones have poor bass response.? The result is.that what should be negligible residual hum and noise becomes very noticeable.??
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-------- Original message -------- From: Paul Christensen <w9ac@...> Date: 4/4/23 4:46 PM (GMT-08:00) Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Bill, ? Thanks for the TRC-4Cw-RIT info.? Looks like you also have a super nice Hallicrafters ¡°Twins.¡±? ? I just acquired a Cyclone III with HA-20 remote VFO.? It came in excellent shape but had more hum than I like when using Telex headphones of the type commonly used with COMM receivers in the 1960s. ? In addition to a filter cap upgrade, I ended up adding a 40 uF/450VDC cap right onto the screen grid pin of the Cyclone¡¯s 6AQ5 audio output tube.? Starting at the main filter cap, as the cap was moved closer to the screen grid on the B+ line, hum gradually diminished.? Any tiny amount of ripple on the screen gets amplified along with the desired signal. That alone nearly eliminated all trace of hum. That trick can likely be applied to some Drake gear. ? Paul, W9AC ? ? Paul,
We are close in serial number. My TR-4Cw-RIT is 45336. It came to me pristine but not working. Eventually I found a broken filament line wire in the harness that had several tubes not illuminated at all and some extra bright. As you would expect, the open line fouled up the planned series and parallel arrangement with the filament voltage to all the tubes. Likely the radio was pristine because it was never used.?
I was lucky in that after correction it worked fine and has yet to need any tubes replaced. In the case here, the radio is quite stable, and it performs well in that respect in comparison to my Drake R-4C and T-4XC. I never use these radios without at least a 30-minute warm-up. The radio must have worked at the factory - because it has never needed alignment.
My serial number is beyond the list on WB4HFN's website. While I did get the original manual with the radio, I did not get the build ticket showing the date. My estimate is around March of 1978.
73,
-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Bill, ? Thanks for the TRC-4Cw-RIT info.? Looks like you also have a super nice Hallicrafters ¡°Twins.¡±? ? I just acquired a Cyclone III with HA-20 remote VFO.? It came in excellent shape but had more hum than I like when using Telex headphones of the type commonly used with COMM receivers in the 1960s. ? In addition to a filter cap upgrade, I ended up adding a 40 uF/450VDC cap right onto the screen grid pin of the Cyclone¡¯s 6AQ5 audio output tube.? Starting at the main filter cap, as the cap was moved closer to the screen grid on the B+ line, hum gradually diminished.? Any tiny amount of ripple on the screen gets amplified along with the desired signal. That alone nearly eliminated all trace of hum. That trick can likely be applied to some Drake gear. ? Paul, W9AC ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of William Shadid Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 7:18 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] TR4cw/rit production numbers question ? Paul,
We are close in serial number. My TR-4Cw-RIT is 45336. It came to me pristine but not working. Eventually I found a broken filament line wire in the harness that had several tubes not illuminated at all and some extra bright. As you would expect, the open line fouled up the planned series and parallel arrangement with the filament voltage to all the tubes. Likely the radio was pristine because it was never used.?
I was lucky in that after correction it worked fine and has yet to need any tubes replaced. In the case here, the radio is quite stable, and it performs well in that respect in comparison to my Drake R-4C and T-4XC. I never use these radios without at least a 30-minute warm-up. The radio must have worked at the factory - because it has never needed alignment.
My serial number is beyond the list on WB4HFN's website. While I did get the original manual with the radio, I did not get the build ticket showing the date. My estimate is around March of 1978.
73,
-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Paul,
We are close in serial number. My TR-4Cw-RIT is 45336. It came to me pristine but not working. Eventually I found a broken filament line wire in the harness that had several tubes not illuminated at all and some extra bright. As you would expect, the open line fouled up the planned series and parallel arrangement with the filament voltage to all the tubes. Likely the radio was pristine because it was never used.?
I was lucky in that after correction it worked fine and has yet to need any tubes replaced. In the case here, the radio is quite stable, and it performs well in that respect in comparison to my Drake R-4C and T-4XC. I never use these radios without at least a 30-minute warm-up. The radio must have worked at the factory - because it has never needed alignment.
My serial number is beyond the list on WB4HFN's website. While I did get the original manual with the radio, I did not get the build ticket showing the date. My estimate is around March of 1978.
73,
-Bill Shadid, W9MXQ?
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Possibly, ?I've been considering downsizing.
contact me off list to discuss. ?My email is correct on QRZ
ron
KA3JIJ
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On 2023-04-04 18:30, Korman Seth via groups.io wrote:
Are you interested in selling the Drakes?
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 5:47 PM, Ron
<rolexa@...> wrote:
I have S/N 44240 powered by AC4 S/N 49974 along with the matching RV4C S/N20937.? The VFO and TR4CW-RIT still have their original drake shipping boxes and packing!? Still makes good power on the original tubes.
ron
KA3JIJ
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Did the transceiver serial numbers start with the TR-3 and then transition to the TR-4? ?If so what was the S/N of the first TR-3? ?
I believe the S/Ns of the 4-Line started with the R-4/T-4X and incremented up as the A, B & C versions came out. I think my R-4 had a S/N in the 1000 range. ?
Rob, NC0B
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On Apr 4, 2023, at 4:19 PM, KL7AM <w7apm@...> wrote:
?
44,173 here
From: "Jim W7RY via groups.io" <jimw7ry@...>
To: "DRAKE-RADIO" < [email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 1:41:04 PM
Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] Stupid eBay Pricing
Sure they do...
And pay 10% to play the game?
Try again.
Jim W7RY
On 4/4/2023 2:58 PM, joe braswell wrote:
i imagine they have a group of friend who buy each other's stuff but never actually pay for it.? this was they can say "snooze, you lose" to bait you into another bidding frenzy. :-D
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 2:37?PM Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) < lyndon@...> wrote:
Eric writes:
> Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over $2500!=C2=A0 I was =
> amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely absurd
prices.? And his shipping charges are even more insane.? The listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices.? Or maybe he just hauls
the stuff to the dump.? What I can't figure out is how he acquirs
it all in the first place.? He is not exactly located in the middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
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Thanks and 73, Jim W7RY
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
Are you interested in selling the Drakes?
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 5:47 PM, Ron <rolexa@...> wrote:
I have S/N 44240 powered by AC4 S/N 49974 along with the matching RV4C S/N20937.? The VFO and TR4CW-RIT still have their original drake shipping boxes and packing!? Still makes good power on the original tubes.
ron
KA3JIJ
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From: "Jim W7RY via groups.io" <jimw7ry@...> To: "DRAKE-RADIO" < [email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 4, 2023 1:41:04 PM Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] Stupid eBay Pricing
Sure they do...
And pay 10% to play the game?
Try again.
Jim W7RY
On 4/4/2023 2:58 PM, joe braswell
wrote:
i imagine they have a group of friend who buy each
other's stuff but never actually pay for it.? this was they can
say "snooze, you lose" to bait you into another bidding frenzy.
:-D
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 2:37?PM
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) < lyndon@...>
wrote:
Eric
writes:
> Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over
$2500!=C2=A0 I was =
> amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where
worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices
that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other
listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly
lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely
absurd
prices.? And his shipping charges are even more insane.? The
listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid
enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices.? Or maybe he just
hauls
the stuff to the dump.? What I can't figure out is how he
acquirs
it all in the first place.? He is not exactly located in the
middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
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Thanks and 73, Jim W7RY
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Things are only worth what some fool will pay for them.? As far as I know the most 'valuable thing made by man for weight and maybe size is not really worth anything.? That is a canceled postage stamp which last sold for over 9 million dollars..? If it was an inverted Jenny 24 cent stamp it would still be worth 24 cents but some fool paid 1.3 million for one.
Back to radios Last year at a hamfest I bought a Heathkit hw101 for $ 20.? Hooked it to a speaker and power supply I had and it seemed to work as well as expected.
Insurance is a racket at times.? ?Take a car that is 10 years old but only has about 30,000 miles on it. Maybe hard to replace for $ 10,000 but you will be lucky to get over $ 1000 for it if badly damaged.
Ralph ku4pt
On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 05:00:01 PM EDT, Joe Wolfe <w7rkn.7@...> wrote:
An insurance fraud investigator acquaintance of mine, once told us people with advertise (Then in local sales papers, like the Big Nickel) to establish an asking price, then ¡®lose¡¯ the item(s) and subsequentially claim a loss through the insuring insurance company. ? He told us this was a fraud ¡®game¡¯ that was hard to prove, so hard, in? fact,? that the fraud carried over into housing and building insurance.? List for a ridiculous price, take it off the market, and later torch it? and claim the ¡®established¡¯ loss. ? Also hard to prove¡¡. ? Joe ¨C W7RKN ??_,_
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Re: TR4cw/rit production numbers question
I have S/N 44240 powered by AC4 S/N 49974 along with the matching RV4C S/N20937.? The VFO and TR4CW-RIT still have their original drake shipping boxes and packing!? Still makes good power on the original tubes.
ron
KA3JIJ
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Sure they do...
And pay 10% to play the game?
Try again.
Jim W7RY
On 4/4/2023 2:58 PM, joe braswell
wrote:
i imagine they have a group of friend who buy each
other's stuff but never actually pay for it.? this was they can
say "snooze, you lose" to bait you into another bidding frenzy.
:-D
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 2:37?PM
Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) < lyndon@...>
wrote:
Eric
writes:
> Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over
$2500!=C2=A0 I was =
> amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where
worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices
that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other
listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly
lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely
absurd
prices.? And his shipping charges are even more insane.? The
listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid
enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices.? Or maybe he just
hauls
the stuff to the dump.? What I can't figure out is how he
acquirs
it all in the first place.? He is not exactly located in the
middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
--
Thanks and 73, Jim W7RY
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Something is "worth" exactly what the buyer pays for it.
Sometimes that's $50, sometimes that's $500.
John K5MO
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 3:33?PM Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via <w1es= [email protected]> wrote: The price, and thus the value or worth of an item is exactly what a willing buyer and seller are willing to agree on.?
If the buyer perceives value, who am I or anyone else to say that he¡¯s wrong?
73,
Steve Wedge, W1ES/4
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Sent from Proton Mail for iOS
On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 14:37, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) < lyndon@...> wrote: Eric writes:
> Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over $2500!=C2=A0 I was =
> amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely absurd
prices. And his shipping charges are even more insane. The listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices. Or maybe he just hauls
the stuff to the dump. What I can't figure out is how he acquirs
it all in the first place. He is not exactly located in the middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
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Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
I continue to be amazed at how many people are bothered by this.
If you don't want to buy it, move on! Not your monkeys, not your
circus But it does. When people pay these stupid prices, it drives up the price for the entire marketplace, and that *does* affect me. --lyndon
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Re: L4B and PSU SPLY for sale
Hello Chris,
I'm interested.? Shipping would be required.? Can you share pictures?
Thank you Chris.
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An insurance fraud investigator acquaintance of mine, once told us people with advertise (Then in local sales papers, like the Big Nickel) to establish an asking price, then ¡®lose¡¯ the item(s) and subsequentially claim a loss through the insuring insurance company. ? He told us this was a fraud ¡®game¡¯ that was hard to prove, so hard, in? fact,? that the fraud carried over into housing and building insurance.? List for a ridiculous price, take it off the market, and later torch it? and claim the ¡®established¡¯ loss. ? Also hard to prove¡¡. ? Joe ¨C W7RKN ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2023 12:33 PM
To: [email protected]; echapm4@...
Subject: Re: [DRAKE-RADIO] Stupid eBay Pricing? The price, and thus the value or worth of an item is exactly what a willing buyer and seller are willing to agree on.? If the buyer perceives value, who am I or anyone else to say that he¡¯s wrong? 73, Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. Sent from Proton Mail for iOS On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 14:37, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) <lyndon@...> wrote: Eric writes:
> Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over $2500!=C2=A0 I was =
> amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely absurd
prices. And his shipping charges are even more insane. The listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices. Or maybe he just hauls
the stuff to the dump. What I can't figure out is how he acquirs
it all in the first place. He is not exactly located in the middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
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Are talking about a Drake 2C for $2,500?
Tim
WB8UHZ
On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 04:47:18 PM EDT, Steve Wedge, W1ES/4 via groups.io <w1es@...> wrote:
I continue to be amazed at how many people are bothered by this.? If you don't want to buy it, move on!? Not your monkeys, not your circus.
73,
Steve Wedge, W1ES/4
Time flies like an arrow.? Fruit flies like a banana.
Sent with secure email.
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On Tuesday, April 4th, 2023 at 4:33 PM, Joe WB9SBD <nss@...> wrote:
When E-Bay dropped the
commission fees that they had when E-Bay first started, thats
when all this crap started.
I remember when E-Bay first started, I don't remember what % it
was say 5%.
When you sold something they would get 5% of the sale.
BUT.. in those days if you listed something crazy like as
described below, if it did NOT sell, and time ran out the seller
still had to pay the 5% of the asking price it wasn't free
listings like now.
They got their 5% if it sold or not.
That stopped all that crazy listings you had to set a reasonable
price because you were gonna give E-Bay 5% no matter what.
Joe WB9SBD
On 4/4/2023 1:37 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg
(VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote:
Eric writes:
Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over $2500!=C2=A0 I was =
amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely absurd
prices. And his shipping charges are even more insane. The listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices. Or maybe he just hauls
the stuff to the dump. What I can't figure out is how he acquirs
it all in the first place. He is not exactly located in the middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
|
I continue to be amazed at how many people are bothered by this.? If you don't want to buy it, move on!? Not your monkeys, not your circus.
73,
Steve Wedge, W1ES/4
Time flies like an arrow.? Fruit flies like a banana.
Sent with secure email.
------- Original Message -------
On Tuesday, April 4th, 2023 at 4:33 PM, Joe WB9SBD <nss@...> wrote:
When E-Bay dropped the
commission fees that they had when E-Bay first started, thats
when all this crap started.
I remember when E-Bay first started, I don't remember what % it
was say 5%.
When you sold something they would get 5% of the sale.
BUT.. in those days if you listed something crazy like as
described below, if it did NOT sell, and time ran out the seller
still had to pay the 5% of the asking price it wasn't free
listings like now.
They got their 5% if it sold or not.
That stopped all that crazy listings you had to set a reasonable
price because you were gonna give E-Bay 5% no matter what.
Joe WB9SBD
On 4/4/2023 1:37 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg
(VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote:
Eric writes:
Did you guys see that #44261 just sold on eBay for over $2500!=C2=A0 I was =
amazed to say the least! I really had no idea they where worth that much.
On eBay, never equate selling/listing price with 'worth'.
For an example, look at the absolutely stupid listing prices that
some jackass in Australia has on his/her Drake and other listings.
There is also a character on Vancouver Island who regularly lists
old Swan gear, and occasionally Drake gear, for completely absurd
prices. And his shipping charges are even more insane. The listings
do come and go, so maybe there are people out there stupid enough
to pay those ridiculously inflated prices. Or maybe he just hauls
the stuff to the dump. What I can't figure out is how he acquirs
it all in the first place. He is not exactly located in the middle
of a metropolis.
--lyndon
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Gary WB6OGD
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