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Has anyone poised the question to an Icom Rep why Icom does not have a 23cm D-Star Handheld?? Icom Commercial does have 900Mhz HTs.
Alinco has a tribander that does 23cm but it's analog only.
73
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On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:15 PM, <kj6kmt@...> wrote:
Has anyone poised the question to an Icom Rep why Icom does not have a 23cm D-Star Handheld?? Icom Commercial does have 900Mhz HTs. Alinco has a tribander that does 23cm but it's analog only. 73
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I have ask that question on several occasions. The
response I got back was, "it was due to them?not being able to design in
enough battery capacity to support the 1.2-GHZ DD mode".
?
?At the same?time I also ask the question
"why they did not come out with a less costly version of the ID-1 without the DD
mode features". The response I got back was that the DD mode components used in
the
?ID-1 did not amount to a significant cost
savings if left them?out?of a new model. At one point ICOM said that
they would not build a 23cm radio without the DD capability..... Take a look at
the IC-9100...NO DD.? go figure.....
?
?I believe it is time for a tri-band
D-STAR HT.? Those of us who run full stack repeater systems would
appreciate an HT that would let us monitor activity on all of the
modules.?
?
Recently there has been significant strides in HT
designs that takes advantage of the Lithium Polymer batteries and power
management. Take a look at current crop of cell phones.? We need a SMART-HT
that is software?defined (SDR) and?will?work 2-meters, 70cm and
1.2 GHZ.?
?
George - W4AQR
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] 23cm D-Star HT
Imagination failure!
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Then leave it out, since I'm not going to want to use it on an HT; of course, this leads to the question of why they didn't add a lower speed DD mode, unless they didn't see the usefulness of it. Matthew Pitts N8OHU
From: George Jones
To: D-STAR_23cm@...
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] 23cm D-Star HT
?
I have ask that question on several occasions. The
response I got back was, "it was due to them?not being able to design in
enough battery capacity to support the 1.2-GHZ DD mode".
?
?At the same?time I also ask the question
"why they did not come out with a less costly version of the ID-1 without the DD
mode features". The response I got back was that the DD mode components used in
the
?ID-1 did not amount to a significant cost
savings if left them?out?of a new model. At one point ICOM said that
they would not build a 23cm radio without the DD capability..... Take a look at
the IC-9100...NO DD.? go figure.....
?
?I believe it is time for a tri-band
D-STAR HT.? Those of us who run full stack repeater systems would
appreciate an HT that would let us monitor activity on all of the
modules.?
?
Recently there has been significant strides in HT
designs that takes advantage of the Lithium Polymer batteries and power
management. Take a look at current crop of cell phones.? We need a SMART-HT
that is software?defined (SDR) and?will?work 2-meters, 70cm and
1.2 GHZ.?
?
George - W4AQR
?
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Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] 23cm D-Star HT
Imagination failure!
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Thanks George
73
---In d-star_23cm@..., <daywalker_blade_2004@...> wrote: Then leave it out, since I'm not going to want to use it on an HT; of course, this leads to the question of why they didn't add a lower speed DD mode, unless they didn't see the usefulness of it. Matthew Pitts N8OHU
From: George Jones <w4aqr@...>
To: D-STAR_23cm@...
Sent: Monday, November 4, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] 23cm D-Star HT
?
I have ask that question on several occasions. The
response I got back was, "it was due to them?not being able to design in
enough battery capacity to support the 1.2-GHZ DD mode".
?
?At the same?time I also ask the question
"why they did not come out with a less costly version of the ID-1 without the DD
mode features". The response I got back was that the DD mode components used in
the
?ID-1 did not amount to a significant cost
savings if left them?out?of a new model. At one point ICOM said that
they would not build a 23cm radio without the DD capability..... Take a look at
the IC-9100...NO DD.? go figure.....
?
?I believe it is time for a tri-band
D-STAR HT.? Those of us who run full stack repeater systems would
appreciate an HT that would let us monitor activity on all of the
modules.?
?
Recently there has been significant strides in HT
designs that takes advantage of the Lithium Polymer batteries and power
management. Take a look at current crop of cell phones.? We need a SMART-HT
that is software?defined (SDR) and?will?work 2-meters, 70cm and
1.2 GHZ.?
?
George - W4AQR
?
?
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] 23cm D-Star HT
Imagination failure!
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Icom stop the production of all 23cm D-Star equipment soon.
Info?comes from?Icom staff at ham fair Friedrichshafen.
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Did they give a reason? It is a little hard for me to believe that they would permanently stop production of 23 cm gear, because of all the 23 cm operations in Japan.
As to Handi Talkies, I am not sure that DD is feasible with a H/T. DD is hard enough with 10 watts. But, as someone said, a Triband DV H/T would be quite attractive.?
Buddy WB4OMG
On Nov 5, 2013, at 8:29:06 AM, ON7DS wrote: Icom stop the production of all 23cm D-Star equipment soon. Info?comes from?Icom staff at ham fair Friedrichshafen.
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This may be the case in the EU, but when I heard the same from someone in the UK a few months ago
I reached out to ICOM America & they confirmed 23cm equipment would continue to be sold in the USA.
73, Mark, WB9QZB
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ON7DS <sd2550@...>;
To:
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Subject:
[D-STAR_23cm] Re: 23cm D-Star HT
Sent:
Tue, Nov 5, 2013 1:29:06 PM
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Icom stop the production of all 23cm D-Star equipment soon.
Info?comes from?Icom staff at ham fair Friedrichshafen.
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I have heard (different E-mail, several months back) it is an EU-only impact. Shane In God We Trust Sent from my iFoam
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This may be the case in the EU, but when I heard the same from someone in the UK a few months ago
I reached out to ICOM America they confirmed 23cm equipment would continue to be sold in the USA.
73, Mark, WB9QZB
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Icom stop the production of all 23cm D-Star equipment soon.
Info?comes from?Icom staff at ham fair Friedrichshafen.
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Something may have been "lost in the translation" (both figuratively
and literally).? "Stopping production", whether temporarily (eg, due
to overstock) or permanently, is not the same as stopping sales (and
in a particular geographic region or country).
My guess is that sales of the ID-1 have not been up to Icom's
expectations (for several reasons).? My guess is that they have
significant overstock (hence the recent price reduction on the
ID-1).
I own an ID-1, and all my contacts on it have been on FM !? The last
one was a three-way conversation with another ID-1 owner and an
IC-9100 owner, on a 23cm FM repeater some 35 miles away (which I can
successfully use at the one watt setting) !!!
There are two closer 23cm DV modules and three 23cm DD modules, and
all have been on the air for years.? One pair suffers from a VERY
poor location, another pair suffers from an untuned duplexer, and
the third DD module is not connected to the Internet (which makes it
useless).
If anyone thinks it's frustrating to be in an area with no local
23cm D-Star modules on the air, it is no less frustrating to have
them on the air but unusable.? Situations like this do not spur the
sales of ID-1 radios.
On 2013-11-05 07:37, Mark Thompson
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This may be the case in the EU, but when I
heard the same from someone in the UK a few months ago
I reached out to ICOM America & they confirmed 23cm
equipment would continue to be sold in the USA.
73, Mark, WB9QZB
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From:
ON7DS ;
To:
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Subject:
[D-STAR_23cm] Re: 23cm D-Star HT
Sent:
Tue, Nov 5, 2013 1:29:06 PM
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Icom stop the production of all 23cm
D-Star equipment soon.
Info?comes from?Icom staff at ham fair
Friedrichshafen.
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I seem to recall some concern about 23 cm near the head when they opened it novices.
Even though it is taking longer than any of us hoped, the UDR56k-4 should provide a DD capability for around half the cost and on 70cm. ---In D-STAR_23cm@..., <w4aqr@...> wrote:
I have ask that question on several occasions. The
response I got back was, "it was due to them?not being able to design in
enough battery capacity to support the 1.2-GHZ DD mode".
?
?At the same?time I also ask the question
"why they did not come out with a less costly version of the ID-1 without the DD
mode features". The response I got back was that the DD mode components used in
the
?ID-1 did not amount to a significant cost
savings if left them?out?of a new model. At one point ICOM said that
they would not build a 23cm radio without the DD capability..... Take a look at
the IC-9100...NO DD.? go figure.....
?
?I believe it is time for a tri-band
D-STAR HT.? Those of us who run full stack repeater systems would
appreciate an HT that would let us monitor activity on all of the
modules.?
?
Recently there has been significant strides in HT
designs that takes advantage of the Lithium Polymer batteries and power
management. Take a look at current crop of cell phones.? We need a SMART-HT
that is software?defined (SDR) and?will?work 2-meters, 70cm and
1.2 GHZ.?
?
George - W4AQR
?
?
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] 23cm D-Star HT
Imagination failure!
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One thing that would spur DD activity is if ICOM
had designed the DD box as a true repeater and not just an access
point.
I have considered adding a second DD box to my
stack and pass the data from one box to the other through a server.
Since our current box operates in the 1250 range we
could easily put another box in the 1297 range and create a true
repeater.
I am not sure it is worth all of the effort just to
get ISDN speeds. There are other less expensive options that are
faster.
?
George - W4AQR
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Something
may have been "lost in the translation" (both figuratively and literally).?
"Stopping production", whether temporarily (eg, due to overstock) or
permanently, is not the same as stopping sales (and in a particular geographic
region or country). My guess is that sales of the ID-1 have not been up
to Icom's expectations (for several reasons).? My guess is that they have
significant overstock (hence the recent price reduction on the ID-1). I
own an ID-1, and all my contacts on it have been on FM !? The last one was
a three-way conversation with another ID-1 owner and an IC-9100 owner, on a 23cm
FM repeater some 35 miles away (which I can successfully use at the one watt
setting) !!! There are two closer 23cm DV modules and three 23cm DD
modules, and all have been on the air for years.? One pair suffers from a
VERY poor location, another pair suffers from an untuned duplexer, and the third
DD module is not connected to the Internet (which makes it useless). If
anyone thinks it's frustrating to be in an area with no local 23cm D-Star
modules on the air, it is no less frustrating to have them on the air but
unusable.? Situations like this do not spur the sales of ID-1
radios.
On 2013-11-05 07:37, Mark Thompson wrote:
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I agree, although it shouldn't require a second radio.? There's no
reason that I can think of, that server software couldn't just queue
and echo ("store and forward") incoming (over the air) packets back
over the air, in a similar manner as an Ethernet switch.? An
Ethernet switch normally doesn't send packets back out the
originating port on the switch, but that's just a software
optimization in a normal switch.
On 2013-11-05 12:31, George Jones
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One thing that would spur DD
activity is if ICOM had designed the DD box as a true repeater
and not just an access point.
I have considered adding a second
DD box to my stack and pass the data from one box to the other
through a server.
Since our current box operates in
the 1250 range we could easily put another box in the 1297
range and create a true repeater.
I am not sure it is worth all of
the effort just to get ISDN speeds. There are other less
expensive options that are faster.
?
George - W4AQR
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Ray Novak (Icom USA) just confirmed the 23cm gear is still in production.?
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Last I checked the UK was having trouble getting licenses/authorization for 23cm -- but Icom USA was going to continue the product.?
The full repeater is a good idea, but you may have to detune duplexers for the bandwidth (130 khz vs 6.25khz), of course vertical separation shouldn't be that big of a deal on 23cm, eliminating duplexers all together. ?When the UDR56K-4 comes out, you may be able to do a 23cm / 70cm crossband repeater. ---In D-STAR_23cm@..., <w4aqr@...> wrote:
One thing that would spur DD activity is if ICOM
had designed the DD box as a true repeater and not just an access
point.
I have considered adding a second DD box to my
stack and pass the data from one box to the other through a server.
Since our current box operates in the 1250 range we
could easily put another box in the 1297 range and create a true
repeater.
I am not sure it is worth all of the effort just to
get ISDN speeds. There are other less expensive options that are
faster.
?
George - W4AQR
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [D-STAR_23cm] Re: 23cm D-Star HT
Something
may have been "lost in the translation" (both figuratively and literally).?
"Stopping production", whether temporarily (eg, due to overstock) or
permanently, is not the same as stopping sales (and in a particular geographic
region or country). My guess is that sales of the ID-1 have not been up
to Icom's expectations (for several reasons).? My guess is that they have
significant overstock (hence the recent price reduction on the ID-1). I
own an ID-1, and all my contacts on it have been on FM !? The last one was
a three-way conversation with another ID-1 owner and an IC-9100 owner, on a 23cm
FM repeater some 35 miles away (which I can successfully use at the one watt
setting) !!! There are two closer 23cm DV modules and three 23cm DD
modules, and all have been on the air for years.? One pair suffers from a
VERY poor location, another pair suffers from an untuned duplexer, and the third
DD module is not connected to the Internet (which makes it useless). If
anyone thinks it's frustrating to be in an area with no local 23cm D-Star
modules on the air, it is no less frustrating to have them on the air but
unusable.? Situations like this do not spur the sales of ID-1
radios.
On 2013-11-05 07:37, Mark Thompson wrote:
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John Hays - K7VE / WRJT-215