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The following is forwarded to see if there is someone "out there" with
definite knowledge. Please contact Don directly.

Dale Wilson.

From: Donald Forsyth <D.Forsyth@...>
Date: Thursday, March 02, 2000 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: CPR "U" sleepers

I don't know if you would know but maybe you could point me in

the right direction. What I would like to know is, in a "U" sleeper were
the partitions between sections a permanent piece or were they removed
during the day. Reason is I am detailing my Shoreham cars (HO) and want to
be as close as possible to prototype. Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks Don Forsyth. NMRA/PNR/CPSig

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I saw 3005 just a while back in Vancouver and it didn't look at all in need of paint. The things look better than the 1 year old AC4400CWs.

Dane

From: PBowers <57era@...>
Reply-To: C-P-R@...
To: C-P-R@...
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] CP 3005 (ex E&N)
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:17:54

New green or just patched green? New Canadian Pacific lettering? Inquiring
minds want to know!!

pb

At 07:29 AM 3/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

CP GP38AC 3005 out of Ogden overhaul has been relettered Canadian Pacific
but is still E&N green.


Bill


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--- Steve Bradley <cdnrail@...> wrote:

From: Steve Bradley <cdnrail@...>

CN now comes into Lambton off the CN Weston Sub. 577 is actually handling
traffic from CN's former KO10 ( the Leaside Job) out of Mac Yard.
As CN is no longer using the Leaside Spur , no CN/CP interchanges are made at
Leaside. It is all now done at Lambton.

Where does CN connect with Leaside? Is it via the connceting track down
through the Don Valley and into the TTR?

Never in my life have I seen a train cross that viaduct that crosses the
Bayview/Bloor ramp, the CN Bala Sub and Bayview Avenue near the old Toronto
Brick works.

CB

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Message text written by P. Bowers

New green or just patched green? New Canadian Pacific lettering?

Inquiring
minds want to know!!
<

They only removed the decal that had E&N Railfreight and applied the new
lettering. Nothing was done to the paint.

Gordon Webster
Columbus, Ohio, USeh
gordon67@...

Through the entire vicinity that's usually referred to
as Bayview (The CP Hamilton sub and the trackage
rights on CN's Oakville sub) there are many CP trains
through the primarily CN area...

441 To Toronto Via Oakville sub
521 " "
523 " "
525 " "
557 " "
733 " "
735 " "
911 Northbound via Hamilton sub
440 Southbound via Hamilton sub
512 " "
522 " "
558 " "
730 " "
734 " "
912 " "

Then there are the two semi-regular 504-505 Detours
which travel up the Dundas sub and onward to Chicago
Via CN...

440/441 are recent additions, I know they originate
and terminate in Winnipeg, but other than that I'm in
the dark. 512 is also a recent addition to avoid
congestion at Montreal apparently.

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Merritton, CN Grimsby Subdivision
St. Caterines, Ontario Canada
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CPRS-5646,BNSF-4920 for 511-05, still in the yard at Toronto 1117-05.


Bill

Gentlemen, it hasn't been there for a while now. I was through there a couple months back on a dealer transfer, and it wasn't there. The F7B, and the H-16-44 weren't there either. Does anyone know where they may be at?

Chris Davidson

From: "Bruce Archer" <b-larcher@...>
Reply-To: C-P-R@...
To: <C-P-R@...>
Subject: Re: [C-P-R] CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 18:03:49 -0500

I saw a "C" liner in High River, Alberta a couple of years ago. It was in
the museum there.
Bruce Archer
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Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 5:23 PM
Subject: [C-P-R] CP 4104 Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner Whereabouts

From: taprice@...


Hello There!

First time with this group.

Does anybody have any information on the whereabouts of the old CP
unit 4104, a Fairbanks Morse "C" Liner passenger engine? It possibly
was retired in the late 60's, perhaps in Calgary or in the Kootenays
somewhere.

A group of us are looking to find out if it was saved, and where.

Thanks for any help,

TAPMAN



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Do these trains often operate with only CP power or is there run through
stuff like HLGX,NS?


dave

CP GP38AC 3005 out of Ogden overhaul has been relettered Canadian Pacific
but is still E&N green.


Bill

UP 009144 ,ST PAUL ,MN,02/29,08:24,C,L,057026, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.
UP 009151 ,ST PAUL ,MN,03/04,16:40,C,L,065002, , ,
,Arrival In Transit
UP 009162 ,VIRDEN ,MB,03/05,04:34,C,L,095104, , ,
,Departure in Transit
UP 009215 ,ALYTH ,AB,03/05,00:28,M,L,097703, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.
BNSF 004920 ,TORONTO Y,ON,03/04,17:37,E,L,053603, , ,
,Arrival at Destn.

Bill

New green or just patched green? New Canadian Pacific lettering? Inquiring
minds want to know!!

pb

At 07:29 AM 3/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>

CP GP38AC 3005 out of Ogden overhaul has been relettered Canadian Pacific
but is still E&N green.


Bill


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What CP trains currently go through Bayview Jct?



dave

Trip to Canadian Pacific Facilities at Saint John, and McAdam, New
Brunswick-February-1958. Part #2

Continued.

From Saint John, N.B to McAdam, N.B.

*Symbol-Denotes CPR steam in Tuscan Red-Grey-Black-Gold Paint Scheme*
Remarks: Dates misplaced for February 1958, but late in the Month.

McAdam, N.B
February-1958

Light 4-6-2's Double-header freight Eastbound to Saint John, N.B.
2598-2611
Remarks: These two locomotives at one time in the early 1940's could be
found on the Saint John-Boston "Gull" passenger service on the CPR
segment Saint John-Vanceboro, Maine.
4-6-0 853(dead)
Yard engines: 2-8-0 3662, MLW/Alco S-3's 6601, 6602
Westbound freight arriving from Saint John, later departed westbound
with all the same power through State of Maine:
GP-9 8701-MLW/Alco RS-3 8458
GP-9 8707
Freight arriving from Montreal-through to Saint John after refuelling
and crew change:
Alco FA-1 4002-MLW/Alco's FB-2 4408-RS-3 8460-GM GP-9 8702
Remarks: Unit 4002 originally built for Montreal-Vermont freight service
in 1949.
MLW/Alco's RS-3 8459-RS-18 8759

Light 4-6-2 2644 arriving off North Line Woodstock Division with Snow
Plow and Second Generation steel caboose(Cupola slanted style) Train
from Aroostook-Woodstock.
Freight originating for Saint John-Eastbound 2-8-2 5357. Total 60 cars.
Freight arriving from East from Saint John-2-8-2 5208.
Passenger-Gas-Electric-Combination 9008 from St. Stephen(arriving from
South) connections with Eastbound Montreal-Saint John trin #42 "Atlantic
Limited" plus Eastbound Boston-Saint John "Gull" and "Dayliner" RDC
service to the North line(Woodstock Division) to
Woodstock-Aroostook-Edmundston, N.B.-train comes from Saint John.
After connections-Gas-Electric 9008 departed back to St. Stephen after
making connections with three passenger trains.

Streamlined 4-4-4 "Jubilee" Tpe *2926 freight southbound to St. Stephen.

Late afternoon:
Light 4-6-2 2581 freight arriving off North Line(Woodstock Division)
from Aroostook & Woodstock.
Locomotives Inside Roundhouse In order:
2-8-2 5107, Semi-streamlined heavy 4-6-2 *2397, light 4-6-2 2555,
2-8-2's 5330, 5357, 5137, semi-streamlined 2-8-2 5452, heavy 0-8-0
6961(renumbered from 6600 series), 4-6-0 1044, 2-8-0 yard engine 3682,
0-8-0 yard engine 6928, 4-6-0 1104, 2-8-0 yard engines 3641, 3633.

Evening:
Passenger from St. Stephen-Gas-Electric Combination 9008
This train connects with eastbound "Dayliner" RDC's from
Edmundston-Aroostook-Woodstock to Saint John;
plus with Westbound "Atlantic Limited" Train #41 for Montreal, Westbound
"Gull" for Bangor-Portland-Boston,

"Dayliner" from Edmundston-Aroostook-Woodstock eastbound for Fredericton
Junction-Saint John:
RDC-9200-RDC-2 9101

"Atlantic Limited" Train #41 from Saint John for Montreal- Power:
MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4096-RS-10 8466-FPA-2 4097.
Connections at Saint John from CPR's Bay of Fundy Service "Princess
Helene" from Digby, N.S. and subsidiary Dominion Atlantic Railway
"Evangeline Dayliner" service from Halifax-Windsor-Kentville-&
intermediate points to Digby and continuing to Yarmouth. Also Eastbound
service from Yarmouth-Digby-Kentville & intermediate points enroute to
Halifax.
Other remarks:
The "Atlantic Limited" arrived from Saint John with 14 cars. One
streamlined light-weight express car added, plus the "McAdam Sleeper"
which handles passengers from St. Stephen, St. Andrews, Woodstock plus
other areas.
The "Atlantic Limited" departed westbound with a total of -16 cars.
Locomotives are refuelled, engine crew change. Baggageman, Trainmen,
Conductor handle this train Saint John-Brownville, Jct. Maine.

About 30 Mins. later the westbound "Gull" for Boston arrived from Saint
John:
Power: Mine Central EMD E-7 708 with 9 cars.
The Maine Central U.S. Mail Postal& Express car was added and later
departed with 10 cars towards Vanceboro, Maine. CP engine crew and other
CP crews are replaced by Manine Central staff.

Next Morning At McAdam, N.B.

"Atlantic Limited" train #42 from Montreal for Saint John & connections
with CPR's "Princess Helene" to Digby, N.S. and Dominion Atlantic
"Evangeline Dayliner" East-West trains.
Power: MLW/Alco's RS-10 8465-FB-2 4464-RS-110 8469.
Train #42 arrived with 16 cars, Two yard engines working east-end and
west-end of train-"McAdam Sleeper" taken off, one streamlined
light-weight express car taken off. Train departed eastbound to Saint
John with Total-14 cars.

"Gull" from Boston enroute to Saint John-Maine Central EMD E-7 of 700
series with 7 cars.
Maine Central U.S. Mail Postal car & express taken off. "Gull" departed
for Saint John with a Total of 6 cars.

Gas-Electric-Combination 9008 later departed south for St. Stephen.
"Dayliner" RDC's from Saint John departed Northbound on Woodstock
Division North Line to Edmundston:
RDC-4 9200-RDC-2 9101.
Other power observed: 4-6-0 1044, light 4-6-2 2644 mixed freight to
North Line to Woodstock & Aroostook,
streamlined 4-4-4 "Jubilee" *2926 freight to St. Stephen.
Freight arriving from Brownville Jct., Maine: MLW/Alco FA-1 4026
Remarks: 4-4-4 *2926 on the St. Stephen passenger service was being
replaced by Gas-Electric 9008
4-6-0 1044 freight to St. Andrews.

End.
Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

So, I guess if that happened yesterday, it will be on either 9130 or 9154
because only these (2) units were in Winnipeg Weston shops (March 3,2000) as
per CP tracing system.

CP 9130 WINNIPEG MB 02/29 09:32 C L 041426 Arrival at Destn.
CP 9154 WINNIPEG MB 03/01 20:48 C L 095628 Arrival at Destn.

Trip From Moncton, N.B. To Canadian Pacific Facilities At Saint John,
N.B. & McAdam, N.B. February-1958.
*Symobol Denotes CPR Steam In Tuscan Red-Grey-Black-Gold Paint Scheme.*
Lancaster Station: West of downtown Saint John:
"Atlantic Limited" Train #42 from Montreal-Combination of Diesels &
Steam:
MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4097-FB-2 4464-RS-3 8429-Semi-streamlined heavy 4-6-2
*2397
Train running with 13 cars, in the passenger car consist stainless-steel
100 series Deluxe coaches, stainless steel Manor and Chateau series
sleepers and heavy-weight sleepers.
Lancaster Yard:
Freight #952 arriving from West, enroute to Bay Shore Yard at West St.
John:
Alco FA-1 4006-MLW/Alco's RS-3 8452-RS-18 8742-RS-3 8439
Remarks: Unit 4006 originally built 1949 for Montreal-Vermont freight
service.

"Gull" from Boston(Boston & Maine-Maine Central-CPR to downtown Saint
John:
Power-Maine Central EMD E-7 unit 711 runthrough power either from
Boston, or put on at Portland, Maine.
CP train crews take over at Vanceboro, Maine.

Yard power observed either at Bay Shore Yard, West St. John, West St.
John Ocean Terminals, downtown Saint John, or old Lancaster Yard:
0-8-0 6932, 2-8-0's 3624, 3637, 3641, 3748, 3692, 3700, 3719, 3725,
3736, 3752, 2-10-0's yard or transfers 5754, 5755. Yard diesels-Alco's
7012, 7013, 7046

Some power observed at Bay Shore Roundhouse:
4-6-0's 453, 490, light 4-6-2 2657, 2-8-2's 5107, 5206, 5361,
semi-streamlined 5422, as well as power that came off eastbound
"Atlantic Limited' from Montreal train #42 MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4097, FB-2
4464, RS-3 8429, semi-streamline heavey 4-6-2 *2397, off "Gull" from
Boston Maine Central EMD E-7 711.

Canadian Pacific Steamships-Trans-Atlantic Service:
Canadian Pacific Steamships makes its Winter terminus at West St. John,
New Brunswick from November to April of each year with its
Trans-Atlantic "White Empress" passenger liners operating from
Liverpool, England, its cargo-express-passenger "Beaver" ships the
"Beaverburn"(2nd), "Beaverford"(2nd), "Beaverlodge", the Immigrant ship
"Beaverbrae"(2nd) and cargo-express ships the "Beavercove", Beaverlake",
"Beaverdell", and "Beaverglen", plus chartered ships flying the CPS
house flag and in CPS paint scheme. The Beaverburn, Beaverford, and
Beaverlodge which also carry passengers operate from Liverpool, the
immigrant ship Beaverbrae of Continental Europe, the cargo-express
"Beavers", the Beavercove, Beaverdell, Beaverlake, and Beaverglen
operate from London, Antwerp and other Continental Europe ports to West
St. John during the Winter months.

Bulletin #57 To Be Continued-Next Stop McAdam, N.B.-February-1958.

Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C.

CN now comes into Lambton off the CN Weston Sub. 577 is actually handling traffic from CN's former KO10 ( the Leaside Job) out of Mac Yard.
As CN is no longer using the Leaside Spur , no CN/CP interchanges are made at Leaside. It is all now done at Lambton.

Steve Bradley

For those interested, Bill is referring to the BNSF Heritage II scheme and
Charles Biel's site is now at with
4919 at .

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Morinville, AB
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Thanks to Ian for the heads up on today's #536 with BNSF-4920/CPRS-5646.

For those unfamiliar, a "Super-Carrot" looks this:

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Just got an "Advance Notice" of the GHRA excursions using the WSJR train
from a buddy and co-worker.

So that everyone can plan in advance, I respectfully submit the following
information:

GHRA will run excursions from Guelph to Guelph Junction on the following
weekends:
- April 14, 15 and 16 (weekend before Easter)
- September 29, 30 and October 1 (weekend before Thanksgiving)

Departure will be from the River Run Center in Downtown Guelph (same place
as last year)
Destination is Guelph Junction, near Campbellville
This is a 29 miles, 2 hour round trip.

For more information please call (519)-821-2696 or (519)-824-4317

The mailing address for the GHRA is:
GHRA
Box 23001
66 Woolwiich Street Post Office
Guelph Ontario
N1H 8H9

Michael Salfi
Kitchener, Ontario

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Laying down track and building the bridges,
Bending our backs till the railroad is done.

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