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Re: CP 3005 (ex E&N)
PBowers
New green or just patched green? New Canadian Pacific lettering? Inquiring
minds want to know!! pb At 07:29 AM 3/5/00 -0500, you wrote: From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>Peter Bowers To Reply: click on Owen Sound, Ont. Canada mailto:ve3gwx@... |
FROM MY RECORDS-TRIP FROM MONCTON, N.B. TO CANADIAN PACIFIC FACILITIES-CIRCA-FEBRUARY-1958 B-#67
Donald Scott
Trip to Canadian Pacific Facilities at Saint John, and McAdam, New
Brunswick-February-1958. Part #2 Continued. From Saint John, N.B to McAdam, N.B.*Symbol-Denotes CPR steam in Tuscan Red-Grey-Black-Gold Paint Scheme* Remarks: Dates misplaced for February 1958, but late in the Month. McAdam, N.B February-1958 Light 4-6-2's Double-header freight Eastbound to Saint John, N.B. 2598-2611 Remarks: These two locomotives at one time in the early 1940's could be found on the Saint John-Boston "Gull" passenger service on the CPR segment Saint John-Vanceboro, Maine. 4-6-0 853(dead) Yard engines: 2-8-0 3662, MLW/Alco S-3's 6601, 6602 Westbound freight arriving from Saint John, later departed westbound with all the same power through State of Maine: GP-9 8701-MLW/Alco RS-3 8458 GP-9 8707 Freight arriving from Montreal-through to Saint John after refuelling and crew change: Alco FA-1 4002-MLW/Alco's FB-2 4408-RS-3 8460-GM GP-9 8702 Remarks: Unit 4002 originally built for Montreal-Vermont freight service in 1949. MLW/Alco's RS-3 8459-RS-18 8759 Light 4-6-2 2644 arriving off North Line Woodstock Division with Snow Plow and Second Generation steel caboose(Cupola slanted style) Train from Aroostook-Woodstock. Freight originating for Saint John-Eastbound 2-8-2 5357. Total 60 cars. Freight arriving from East from Saint John-2-8-2 5208. Passenger-Gas-Electric-Combination 9008 from St. Stephen(arriving from South) connections with Eastbound Montreal-Saint John trin #42 "Atlantic Limited" plus Eastbound Boston-Saint John "Gull" and "Dayliner" RDC service to the North line(Woodstock Division) to Woodstock-Aroostook-Edmundston, N.B.-train comes from Saint John. After connections-Gas-Electric 9008 departed back to St. Stephen after making connections with three passenger trains. Streamlined 4-4-4 "Jubilee" Tpe *2926 freight southbound to St. Stephen. Late afternoon: Light 4-6-2 2581 freight arriving off North Line(Woodstock Division) from Aroostook & Woodstock. Locomotives Inside Roundhouse In order: 2-8-2 5107, Semi-streamlined heavy 4-6-2 *2397, light 4-6-2 2555, 2-8-2's 5330, 5357, 5137, semi-streamlined 2-8-2 5452, heavy 0-8-0 6961(renumbered from 6600 series), 4-6-0 1044, 2-8-0 yard engine 3682, 0-8-0 yard engine 6928, 4-6-0 1104, 2-8-0 yard engines 3641, 3633. Evening: Passenger from St. Stephen-Gas-Electric Combination 9008 This train connects with eastbound "Dayliner" RDC's from Edmundston-Aroostook-Woodstock to Saint John; plus with Westbound "Atlantic Limited" Train #41 for Montreal, Westbound "Gull" for Bangor-Portland-Boston, "Dayliner" from Edmundston-Aroostook-Woodstock eastbound for Fredericton Junction-Saint John: RDC-9200-RDC-2 9101 "Atlantic Limited" Train #41 from Saint John for Montreal- Power: MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4096-RS-10 8466-FPA-2 4097. Connections at Saint John from CPR's Bay of Fundy Service "Princess Helene" from Digby, N.S. and subsidiary Dominion Atlantic Railway "Evangeline Dayliner" service from Halifax-Windsor-Kentville-& intermediate points to Digby and continuing to Yarmouth. Also Eastbound service from Yarmouth-Digby-Kentville & intermediate points enroute to Halifax. Other remarks: The "Atlantic Limited" arrived from Saint John with 14 cars. One streamlined light-weight express car added, plus the "McAdam Sleeper" which handles passengers from St. Stephen, St. Andrews, Woodstock plus other areas. The "Atlantic Limited" departed westbound with a total of -16 cars. Locomotives are refuelled, engine crew change. Baggageman, Trainmen, Conductor handle this train Saint John-Brownville, Jct. Maine. About 30 Mins. later the westbound "Gull" for Boston arrived from Saint John: Power: Mine Central EMD E-7 708 with 9 cars. The Maine Central U.S. Mail Postal& Express car was added and later departed with 10 cars towards Vanceboro, Maine. CP engine crew and other CP crews are replaced by Manine Central staff. Next Morning At McAdam, N.B. "Atlantic Limited" train #42 from Montreal for Saint John & connections with CPR's "Princess Helene" to Digby, N.S. and Dominion Atlantic "Evangeline Dayliner" East-West trains. Power: MLW/Alco's RS-10 8465-FB-2 4464-RS-110 8469. Train #42 arrived with 16 cars, Two yard engines working east-end and west-end of train-"McAdam Sleeper" taken off, one streamlined light-weight express car taken off. Train departed eastbound to Saint John with Total-14 cars. "Gull" from Boston enroute to Saint John-Maine Central EMD E-7 of 700 series with 7 cars. Maine Central U.S. Mail Postal car & express taken off. "Gull" departed for Saint John with a Total of 6 cars. Gas-Electric-Combination 9008 later departed south for St. Stephen. "Dayliner" RDC's from Saint John departed Northbound on Woodstock Division North Line to Edmundston: RDC-4 9200-RDC-2 9101. Other power observed: 4-6-0 1044, light 4-6-2 2644 mixed freight to North Line to Woodstock & Aroostook, streamlined 4-4-4 "Jubilee" *2926 freight to St. Stephen. Freight arriving from Brownville Jct., Maine: MLW/Alco FA-1 4026 Remarks: 4-4-4 *2926 on the St. Stephen passenger service was being replaced by Gas-Electric 9008 4-6-0 1044 freight to St. Andrews. End. Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. |
Re: Blew up engine on a 9100 series
Luc Lanthier
So, I guess if that happened yesterday, it will be on either 9130 or 9154
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because only these (2) units were in Winnipeg Weston shops (March 3,2000) as per CP tracing system. CP 9130 WINNIPEG MB 02/29 09:32 C L 041426 Arrival at Destn. CP 9154 WINNIPEG MB 03/01 20:48 C L 095628 Arrival at Destn. -----Original Message-----
From: James Bowker Sr. <docbowker@...> To: C-P-R@... <C-P-R@...> Date: Friday, March 03, 2000 2:52 PM Subject: [C-P-R] another one bites the dust From: "James Bowker Sr." <docbowker@...>due to computer failure..Ho-Hum,,,another day of railroading.DOC :) |
FROM MY RECORDS-TRIP FROM MONCTON,N.B.TO CANADIAN PACIFIC FACILITIES-FEBRUARY-1958 B-#67
Donald Scott
Trip From Moncton, N.B. To Canadian Pacific Facilities At Saint John,
N.B. & McAdam, N.B. February-1958. *Symobol Denotes CPR Steam In Tuscan Red-Grey-Black-Gold Paint Scheme.* Lancaster Station: West of downtown Saint John: "Atlantic Limited" Train #42 from Montreal-Combination of Diesels & Steam: MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4097-FB-2 4464-RS-3 8429-Semi-streamlined heavy 4-6-2 *2397 Train running with 13 cars, in the passenger car consist stainless-steel 100 series Deluxe coaches, stainless steel Manor and Chateau series sleepers and heavy-weight sleepers. Lancaster Yard: Freight #952 arriving from West, enroute to Bay Shore Yard at West St. John: Alco FA-1 4006-MLW/Alco's RS-3 8452-RS-18 8742-RS-3 8439 Remarks: Unit 4006 originally built 1949 for Montreal-Vermont freight service. "Gull" from Boston(Boston & Maine-Maine Central-CPR to downtown Saint John: Power-Maine Central EMD E-7 unit 711 runthrough power either from Boston, or put on at Portland, Maine. CP train crews take over at Vanceboro, Maine. Yard power observed either at Bay Shore Yard, West St. John, West St. John Ocean Terminals, downtown Saint John, or old Lancaster Yard: 0-8-0 6932, 2-8-0's 3624, 3637, 3641, 3748, 3692, 3700, 3719, 3725, 3736, 3752, 2-10-0's yard or transfers 5754, 5755. Yard diesels-Alco's 7012, 7013, 7046 Some power observed at Bay Shore Roundhouse: 4-6-0's 453, 490, light 4-6-2 2657, 2-8-2's 5107, 5206, 5361, semi-streamlined 5422, as well as power that came off eastbound "Atlantic Limited' from Montreal train #42 MLW/Alco's FPA-2 4097, FB-2 4464, RS-3 8429, semi-streamline heavey 4-6-2 *2397, off "Gull" from Boston Maine Central EMD E-7 711. Canadian Pacific Steamships-Trans-Atlantic Service: Canadian Pacific Steamships makes its Winter terminus at West St. John, New Brunswick from November to April of each year with its Trans-Atlantic "White Empress" passenger liners operating from Liverpool, England, its cargo-express-passenger "Beaver" ships the "Beaverburn"(2nd), "Beaverford"(2nd), "Beaverlodge", the Immigrant ship "Beaverbrae"(2nd) and cargo-express ships the "Beavercove", Beaverlake", "Beaverdell", and "Beaverglen", plus chartered ships flying the CPS house flag and in CPS paint scheme. The Beaverburn, Beaverford, and Beaverlodge which also carry passengers operate from Liverpool, the immigrant ship Beaverbrae of Continental Europe, the cargo-express "Beavers", the Beavercove, Beaverdell, Beaverlake, and Beaverglen operate from London, Antwerp and other Continental Europe ports to West St. John during the Winter months. Bulletin #57 To Be Continued-Next Stop McAdam, N.B.-February-1958. Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. |
Re: BNSF "Super-Carrot" on the Galt Sub.
Rainer Auer
For those interested, Bill is referring to the BNSF Heritage II scheme and
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Charles Biel's site is now at with 4919 at . =============== Rainer Auer Morinville, AB =============== ----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...> To: <C-P-R@...> Sent: March 4, 2000 4:42 PM Subject: [C-P-R] BNSF "Super-Carrot" on the Galt Sub. From: Bill Miller <bmiller@...>". H TM" |
BNSF "Super-Carrot" on the Galt Sub.
Bill Miller
Thanks to Ian for the heads up on today's #536 with BNSF-4920/CPRS-5646.
For those unfamiliar, a "Super-Carrot" looks this: " TM" ======================================================================== Bill Miller Canadian Pacific Railway News Editor - CTC Board Railroads Illustrated List Moderator - C-P-R@... ======================================================================== The View From Galt Station ICQ# 9907692 " Canadian Pacific Railway Diesel Locomotive Roster " ======================================================================== |
GHRA Excursions
Mike Salfi
Just got an "Advance Notice" of the GHRA excursions using the WSJR train
from a buddy and co-worker. So that everyone can plan in advance, I respectfully submit the following information: GHRA will run excursions from Guelph to Guelph Junction on the following weekends: - April 14, 15 and 16 (weekend before Easter) - September 29, 30 and October 1 (weekend before Thanksgiving) Departure will be from the River Run Center in Downtown Guelph (same place as last year) Destination is Guelph Junction, near Campbellville This is a 29 miles, 2 hour round trip. For more information please call (519)-821-2696 or (519)-824-4317 The mailing address for the GHRA is: GHRA Box 23001 66 Woolwiich Street Post Office Guelph Ontario N1H 8H9 Michael Salfi Kitchener, Ontario email: msalfi@... We are the navvies who work upon the railway, Swinging our hammers in the bright glazing sun, Laying down track and building the bridges, Bending our backs till the railroad is done. From "The Canadian Railroad Trilogy", by Gordon Lightfoot |
Re: Ontario Heads Up
Dean Steptoe
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Saw it in Milton, around 2:30 pm. This is really inresting for me since I plan on building a layout based on the Galt and Halton subs around Milton. I can really mix up the motive power while maintaining some realism. For instance, just the other day on the CN Halton sub I spotted a KCS loco in lead (didn't get number, as I was driving!). Dean. Ian Platt wrote:
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FROM MY RECORDS-CPR TRAINSPOTTING-PORT COQUITLAM, B.C, -CIRCA-1998-B#66à
Donald Scott
Continued From January 25, 1999(B-#60)
Trainspotting On Canadian Pacific Railway-Port Coquitlam(Vancouver Area)B.C.-Unless Noted-Circa 1998. Remarks: All observations from Westend of CP's Port Coquitlam, B.C. Yards: January 23, 1998 Port Coquitlam, B.C. 1045-Westbound transfer to Southwest line(Westminster Sub-Division) enroute to CP's Mayfair Intermodal Terminal-Containers including double-stacks: Power-GP-38 E&N Railfreight 3004-GP-35 5024-GP38-2 3090 Remarks-E&N Railfreight in green & yellow paint scheme. 1048-Transfer power and main-line power deadhead-from Southwest line(Westminster Sub) from Sapperton: GP-38 3012-GP38-2 3105-SD40-2 5748-GE AC4400CW's 9537-9550-9642-SD40-2 6001-Leased SD40-2 622. Remarks-Leased SD40-2 622 believe from Locomotive Leasing-painted blue. Remarks- In above lash-up of main-line power units arrived earlier from East on runthrough. 1049-Power for Westbound transfer or Southwest transfer: GP38-2 3044-GP-38 3006. January 24, 1998 Same Location: 1131-Main-line power deadhead off Southwest line (Westminster Sub)-earlier runthrough from East: SD40-2's 5981-5745-Soo 6616-6404. Remarks-Unit SOO 6616 Candy Apple Red Scheme; unit 6404 relettered from SOO dual-flag logo-Candy Apple Red. January 26, 1998 Same Location: 1023- Power dead-head off Vancouver line earlier runthroughs from East either to Port Moody and downtown Vancouver: GE AC4400CW's 9620-9650-9640-9630 enroute to shop. 1050-Transfer from West from Port Moody-empty sulphur cars-GP38-2's 3061-3104-3112 January 27, 1998 1040-Intermodal transfer to CP's Mayfair intermodal terminal on southwest line(Westminster Sub): GP-9's 8204-8215. Remarks-Unit 8215 has RCMP Muscical Ride Logo. January 30, 1998 Same Location: 1045-Transfer departing to Southwest line(Westminster Sub)-GP-35's 5013-5011 1057-Grain unit train from East-terminated: GE AC4400CW's 9506-9539-SD40-2 5803-GE AC4400CW 9574 February 2, 1998 Same Location: 1105-Transfer departing to Southwest line(Westminster Sub) GP-38 3012-GP38-2 3105 Westend yard engines: GP-9's 1582, 1613 Remarks-1582 Candy Apple Red, 1613 old action red; both units working "Remote". February 7, 1998 Same Location: 1024-Container transfer to downtown Vancouver-GP38-2's 3112-3104-3061 1024-Wesend yard engines: GP-9's 1550, 1583 Remarks: Unit 1550 Candy Apple Red-lettered CP Rail System-RCMP Musical Ride logo, unit 1583 Candy Apple Red-lettered CP Rail. February 16, 1998 Same Location: 1025-Transfer to Southwest line(Westminster Sub) GP38-2 3090-GP-38's 3002-E&N Railfreight 3004. 1040-Double-stack transfer to downtown Vancouver-GP-35's 5005-5010-5017 Remarks: Unit 5005 in Candy Apple Red scheme-Dual Flag logo. 1055-Double-stack transfer arriving from downtown Vancouver-GP-9's 8203-8204 Remarks-Unit 8203 Candy Apple Red scheme-lettered CP Rail System-Has RCMP Musical Ride logo; Unit 8204 in Candy Apple Red scheme RCMP Musical Ride logo. 1100-Transfer arriving off Southwest line(Westminster Sub) GP-38 3006-GP38-2 3045. Westend yard engines-GP-9's 1550, 1627, 1690. Remarks: Units 1550 and 1627 both lettered CP Rail System in Candy Apple Red-both working remote; unit 1690 in old Action Red. To Be Continued at a Later Date. Don Scott-Coquitlam, B.C. |
[dandh] Fw: SURFACE TRANSPORTATION BOARD FINDS NO BASIS ON WHICH TO REVISIT 10-YEAR-OLD DECISION IN ORDER TO BLOCK TRANSFER OF TRAIN DISPATCHING FUNCTION TO MONTREAL
burridge@odyssee.net
Mailing-List: list dandh@...; contact dandh-owner@...TO REVISIT 10-YEAR-OLD DECISION IN ORDER TO BLOCK TRANSFER OF TRAIN DISPATCHING FUNCTION TO MONTREAL From: "Danny Boehr" <dannyb2@...>¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ Gerry Burridge - PO Box 152 - Pte.Claire-Dorval, Que. - H9R 4N9 - CANADA << Be brave. Stay calm. Wait for the signs >> mailto: burridge@... ============================================================= |
Secret CPR "Chinese" trains
Doug Rhodes
Hello all
Last night at dinner some one asked me to provide some info about the secret CPR trains used to move Chinese labourers across Canada during World War I. I couldn't, but I think I know some folks who maybe could! Apparently the CPR moved about 84,000 Chinese labourers from Manchuria to the Western front in France to relieve "our boys" of grunt work like digging trenches and hauling ammunition. They were brought over in CP ships to quarantine at William Head near Victoria, then by CP steamers to Vancouver, where they boarded sealed trains of colonist cars, two armed guards per car. They were only let out for air in remote areas where no one could see them and escape attempts would be futile (and probably fatal). They were put on CP ships on the east coast and transported to France. After the war the whole process was executed in reverse, with a fine to the CPR of $1000 per head for any Chinese worker not returned to China. Everyone concerned was sworn to secrecy about the whole operation, which involved dozens of trains. Well that's the dinner-time story, anyways. Does anyone on the list know anything about this, or where it might have been written up in a publication? Doug Victoria, BC |
Re: UP test units
Douglas Cummings
From: "Rainer Auer" <auerr@...>As far as I know CPR is not testing these locomotives at all. They are simply on a h.p. hour equalization assignment |
UP test units
Rainer Auer
As per Bill's updates on the travels of the four C40-8 units, it seems
unclear as to the purpose of these independent assignments. When the tests were announced, I thought (aside from reducing the age of the fleet) that the CPR was looking at potential unit reductions on certain trains, given the horsepower difference. Are they merely testing compatibility and reliability with SD40s at this stage? =============== Rainer Auer Morinville, AB =============== |
Re: GCRC Moves Mountains
Doug Rhodes
Hello all
I'm a great admirer of the Rocky Mountaineer and muchose enjoyed my trip on it. But the video they sell on board is something else for geographic continuity! Nothing outside quantum physics can explain how the train can change directions so frequently and appear at random in so many parts of BC while making its "eastbound" trip under the continuous narration! :-) (Well it IS a DREAM trip after all ... ) Doug ---------- From: Phil Mason <pmason@...>------------------------------------------------------------------------ GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Fw: engine 40
Bryce Lee
I know this is not CN but railway preservation concerns us all. Maybe |
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