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Hasn't the White House ended the de minimus clause/exception:
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Let's see what happens.
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On 04/06/2025 10:50 AM EDT Ken N2VIP <ken@...> wrote:
Ashhar,
Thanks for that explanation - yes, the components and subassemblies in the zBitx are subject to numerous tariffs, but those tariffs are 'baked into' the price of the device offered by HF Signals. A zBitx (for example) imported into the US from India is not subject to any of US tariffs in the news today because of the de minimus clause/exception, since they are shipped individually, but as you describe the various components as they work their way from the factory to you (HF Signals) are subject numerous tariffs as they cross international borders.
As has been discussed previously in this forum, other countries treat the importation of HF Signals products differently, sometimes imposing tariffs or other fees on the imported devices, but that is not, and to the best of my knowledge will not, be the case in the US because of the de minimus clause/exception.
Ken, N2VIP
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Wouldn't it be better if the device was declared at customs as educational subassemblies? In principle, there is nothing wrong with it, we don't make a profit, we don't resell and by the nature of the product the device can be continuously improved.
Possibly even a disassembled product. Surely radio amateurs can assemble a housing...
On this principle, for lower customs duties, many industrial assemblers receive televisions.
Just an opinion...
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Andy,
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The difference is I'm talking about what *is*, and you are talking about what *could happen*, what *may happen*, and how it does effect items other than those sold/shipped by HF Signals (like batteries from China)...
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It would have been helpful if you described the scope of your comment, described how it doesn't actually relate to anything sold by HF Signals, which is the focus of this group.
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Thanks,
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Ken, N2VIP
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Ken, I didn't bother posting other text as the focus is in the URL.
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Note that it was removed because it was determined the systems are in place to collect the tax.? It takes a stroke of the pen to expand the exception.? Anyone that has added tariffs to islands populated only by seals and penguins is already coloring well outside the lines.
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While it might not directly impact the radio itself yet, it likely will impact folks buying LiCo cells and chargers, and other accessories used when operating and upgrading our radios.
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73, Andy
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On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 08:23 AM, Ken N2VIP wrote:
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:
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CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.
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I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.
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Ken, N2VIP
On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via groups.io <awhecker@...> wrote:
De minimis is gone.
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- All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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Ashhar,
Thanks for that explanation - yes, the components and subassemblies in the zBitx are subject to numerous tariffs, but those tariffs are 'baked into' the price of the device offered by HF Signals. A zBitx (for example) imported into the US from India is not subject to any of US tariffs in the news today because of the de minimus clause/exception, since they are shipped individually, but as you describe the various components as they work their way from the factory to you (HF Signals) are subject numerous tariffs as they cross international borders.
As has been discussed previously in this forum, other countries treat the importation of HF Signals products differently, sometimes imposing tariffs or other fees on the imported devices, but that is not, and to the best of my knowledge will not, be the case in the US because of the de minimus clause/exception.
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On Apr 6, 2025, at 9:30?AM, Ashhar Farhan via groups.io <farhanbox@...> wrote:
? Sorry to extend this discussion, but does it also apply to goods that incorporate part components from China?
We get the pcbs fabricated at JLCPCB. We pay almost 60% duty (including anti dumping duty) on these as it arrives in India and then the finished product is shipped to the customers in USA and other countries.
My back of the envelope calculation is that more than 50% of the cost of zbitx is in double and triple duties.
Here is an example, consider the Si5351. It is imported into China at 20% duty, then it is soldered onto the PCB and sent to India. Indian customs duty and anti dumping duty is another 50% for imports from China. Effectively, the Si5351 in the hands ofAmerican costs 5 dollars instead of 2 dollars.
It would be much simpler of we could find a reliable pcb assembler in the USA who handles our kind of relatively lower volumes. We did try to search but never found one.
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:
CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.
Source:?
I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.
Ken, N2VIP ? De minimis is gone.
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- All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 10:30?AM Ashhar Farhan via <farhanbox= [email protected]> wrote: Sorry to extend this discussion, but does it also apply to goods that incorporate part components from China?
We get the pcbs fabricated at JLCPCB. We pay almost 60% duty (including anti dumping duty) on these as it arrives in India and then the finished product is shipped to the customers in USA and other countries.
My back of the envelope calculation is that more than 50% of the cost of zbitx is in double and triple duties.
Here is an example, consider the Si5351. It is imported into China at 20% duty, then it is soldered onto the PCB and sent to India. Indian customs duty and anti dumping duty is another 50% for imports from China. Effectively, the Si5351 in the hands ofAmerican costs 5 dollars instead of 2 dollars.
It would be much simpler of we could find a reliable pcb assembler in the USA who handles our kind of relatively lower volumes. We did try to search but never found one.
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:
CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.
Source:?
I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.
Ken, N2VIP ? De minimis is gone.
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- All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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Sorry to extend this discussion, but does it also apply to goods that incorporate part components from China?
We get the pcbs fabricated at JLCPCB. We pay almost 60% duty (including anti dumping duty) on these as it arrives in India and then the finished product is shipped to the customers in USA and other countries.
My back of the envelope calculation is that more than 50% of the cost of zbitx is in double and triple duties.
Here is an example, consider the Si5351. It is imported into China at 20% duty, then it is soldered onto the PCB and sent to India. Indian customs duty and anti dumping duty is another 50% for imports from China. Effectively, the Si5351 in the hands ofAmerican costs 5 dollars instead of 2 dollars.
It would be much simpler of we could find a reliable pcb assembler in the USA who handles our kind of relatively lower volumes. We did try to search but never found one.
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:
CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.
Source:?
I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.
Ken, N2VIP ? De minimis is gone.
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- All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:
CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.
Source:?
I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.
Ken, N2VIP On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via groups.io <awhecker@...> wrote:
? De minimis is gone.
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- All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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If Trump is serious he will enforce the Rules of Origin that will tariff goods shipped to an entity in the US that does not perform "substantial transformation" of the product. Otherwise everyone could just rent an office in Delaware for a paper transshipment company and claim their products are made in the USA.
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In the past suppliers like DigiKey broke out tariff cost as a line item in the invoice so customers could see the actual costs. Others may choose to do that rather than raise prices and take the blame for the cost increase. This seems to be the route that Europeans take with their VAT.
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If a tariff applies to a product that we in the US buy, we get hit with a double whammy. Not only the tariff itself, but the carrier, like DHL, charges a fee for handling the paperwork. I experienced that when buying a telescope from Germany years ago that was over the De Minimis.
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De minimis is gone.
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- All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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I would agree with Ken.? However, we are assessing the impact of this on HF Signals (which is a Delaware company that files its taxes in the USA) the impact should be minimal. We will wait and watch.If any of the buyers face additional tariffs, write to us at sales@... so we can see how we can do an impact analysis. - f?
Please, let's keep politics off this group.
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There are plenty of places to discuss current events, politics, etc - as a world-wide community of of over 7,000 members, the likelihood of offending others is quite high.
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Just my 2 cents.
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Ken, N2VIP
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Please, let's keep politics off this group.
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There are plenty of places to discuss current events, politics, etc - as a world-wide community of of over 7,000 members, the likelihood of offending others is quite high.
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Just my 2 cents.
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Ken, N2VIP
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Who elected that addled egghead responsible for your country's
problems?
Gerry
On 2025-04-03 02:20, Gill W4BXA via
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I don’t think the exception applies
here, but I could be wrong. The price of virtually all ham
equipment just took a big jump.?
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I don’t think the exception applies here, but I could be wrong. The price of virtually all ham equipment just took a big jump.?
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Yeah, but we'll be "great" again, as we pay the increase as buyers.? Sorry for the troubles in this regard.?
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I had been paying a 10% tariff on every part from China.? We did not raise our prices, but we cannot absorb a 54% tariff.? We will have to look at what to do.? ?It will have an effect.
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I was just wondering that myself.? ?Hope it doesn't affect the new sBitx v4 pricing.
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Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?
AC9KQ
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Bob Benedict, KD8CGH
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