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Attachment bloat!
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Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC)
Gentlemen and Ladies,
As a user of this list I have become overwhelmed with email from this list sometimes each including 7 attachments, each being in excess of 1MB. PLEASE refrain from posting attachments onto the list as not all of the list users have superfast broadband or the ability to have their mailboxes bulging with attachments they might use. PLEASE rather make use of the countless online storage facilities available and post a link onto the group. If you are not prepared to use an online service, please keep the image attachments to yourself and send them to those who specifically request the attachment. Thank-you Yours in the spirit of the hobby and 73 de ZR1HPC Hylton |
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On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) <hylton@...> wrote:
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Jack, W8TEE
That's not the issue. Each post is stored on the groups.io server and the capacity depends on the type of account you have. My group is much smaller than this one, but four years ago members ate through the "free" storage so I increased capacity, but it was no longer free. I paid the first couple of years out of my own pocket, but last year the bloat was such that I had to go to the next level. Now we're talking about something greater than pocket change. The point is: delete doesn't do much good on the server side. You can help your admin by only sending what is necessary to understand the post. If need be, refer to the early post number for support info that doesn't need to be sent twice. Jack, W8TEE
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 09:40:32 AM EDT, MadRadioModder <madradiomodder@...> wrote:
Try ¡°delete¡±¡ MRM ? On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) <hylton@...> wrote:
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Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email delivery preference to either no email or special notices only.? Then access the list at?/g/BITX20/topics and read it like a forum instead of wading through email.? Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages by subject making topics easier to follow.
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2022, Doug W wrote:
Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email deliveryI agree with these sentiments. For most of the 90's I was stuck with dialup service while the public use of the Internet was exploding. The developers and 'Influencers' all seemed to have unlimited broadband access, so they accelerated the use of gratuitous graphics, with no concern for the majority of internet users who had 56k or slower intermittent connections at that time. 'Just use Delete' isn't the answer. A large bloated message in your Inbox will hang up your connection until its fully downloaded, and will delay or prevent the delivery of many smaller messages until it is complete. A possible workaround for the user is the IMAP protocol rather than POP3 for mail delivery. IMAP allows for the download of just the index of available messages, so that the user can selectively download them, or delete them on the server unread. Most web browsers have an option to suppress the display of all graphics unless individually requested. I used this as an advertisement blocker for many years. A question for the group administrator: The Groups.io service has many options, including the 'Forum' mode you mention above. I believe it also has a 'files' section reserved for each group, and I've seen some groups encourage its use in preference to attachments. Does Groups.io also have an option to automatically strip attachments from all posted messages, and convert them to links into the groups 'files' section? This would also eliminate the duplicate bloat which happens when users include the images again in their reply messages. Hopefully the threading capability of the forum can also detect and suppress the full quotation of previous messages, which easily becomes its own form of bloat. -- Rick Green, N8BJX |
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Jack, W8TEE
Doug: I did not see such an option, but I wasn't really looking for it. I'll do that tonight. Jack, W8TEE
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:55:18 AM EDT, Rick Green <rtg@...> wrote:
On Mon, 6 Jun 2022, Doug W wrote: > Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email delivery > preference to either no email or special notices only.? Then access the list at?/g/BITX20/topics and read it like a forum instead > of wading through email.? Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages by subject making topics easier to follow. I agree with these sentiments.? For most of the 90's I was stuck with dialup service while the public use of the Internet was exploding.? The developers and 'Influencers' all seemed to have unlimited broadband access, so they accelerated the use of gratuitous graphics, with no concern for the majority of internet users who had 56k or slower intermittent connections at that time. ? 'Just use Delete' isn't the answer.? A large bloated message in your Inbox will hang up your connection until its fully downloaded, and will delay or prevent the delivery of many smaller messages until it is complete. ? A possible workaround for the user is the IMAP protocol rather than POP3 for mail delivery.? IMAP allows for the download of just the index of available messages, so that the user can selectively download them, or delete them on the server unread.? Most web browsers have an option to suppress the display of all graphics unless individually requested.? I used this as an advertisement blocker for many years. ? A question for the group administrator:? The Groups.io service has many options, including the 'Forum' mode you mention above.? I believe it also has a 'files' section reserved for each group, and I've seen some groups encourage its use in preference to attachments.? Does Groups.io also have an option to automatically strip attachments from all posted messages, and convert them to links into the groups 'files' section?? This would also eliminate the duplicate bloat which happens when users include the images again in their reply messages. ? Hopefully the threading capability of the forum can also detect and suppress the full quotation of previous messages, which easily becomes its own form of bloat. -- Rick Green, N8BJX -- Jack, W8TEE |
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As someone who has lived with a low bandwidth (and severely data capped) internet connection
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in the recent past, I fully sympathize.? As of a year ago, there were times when I could just barely read a few kbytes of email.? (But Starlink has been wonderful!) Hard to go out on the web these days without being bombarded with huge images and videos. Perhaps posts can be automatically limited to 100 kbytes or so through some groups.io feature? Click through a link in the post if you really need that blurry photo of the front panel of a uBitx. Bloat in the files and photos section of this forum is pretty much inevitable. We either throw money at storage fees or have some moderator with lots of time on their hands prune out unneeded material.? Bloat makes it hard to find the few gems of informative material. Perhaps we simply delete everything older than a year, but not stuff that has somehow been flagged as "essential" by some voting mechanism? Doug's suggestion is a good one: >? Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go >? to?/g/BITX20/editsub?and change your email delivery?preference >? to either?no email?or?special notices only.? Then access the list >? at?/g/BITX20/topics?and read it like a forum instead of wading >? through email.? Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages >? by subject making topics easier to follow. However, once you click on a topic, you will be downloading all the posts in that topic including any blurry photos included as attachments. So, please keep in mind the consequences of large attachments. Most of us pass over 99% of them with just a quick glance, they are seldom informative. A jpeg photo of a computer screen showing text is easy to post, but much better to just scrape up the ASCII text somehow and include it in the post. Jerry, KE7ER On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 06:16 AM, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
As a user of this list I have become overwhelmed with email from this list sometimes each including 7 attachments, each being in excess of 1MB. |
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A one meg attachment occupies the same space if stored in an email or in the files section. The issue is download time for users with sub-optimal connections, as well as people replying to an email with a picture and the picture is duplicated in each reply (it's up to the replier to trim out the image/choose not to include image).
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Ed Borghi
You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours!
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On 6/7/2022 12:13 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote:
A one meg attachment occupies the same space if stored in an email or in the files section. The issue is download time for users with sub-optimal connections, as well as people replying to an email with a picture and the picture is duplicated in each reply (it's up to the replier to trim out the image/choose not to include image). |
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Jack, W8TEE
Ed: Not entirely correct. The central issue here is not the space on your personal system, but the storage space eaten by dup posting with attachements/images on a Forum. When you have over 2500 members, many of whom seem to assume the group doesn't have to pay for storage, bloated posts eat things up faster than you might imagine. Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:26:33 PM EDT, Ed Borghi <kb2e@...> wrote:
You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours! On 6/7/2022 12:13 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote: > A one meg attachment occupies the same space if stored in an email or in the files section. The issue is download time for users with sub-optimal connections, as well as people replying to an email with a picture and the picture is duplicated in each reply (it's up to the replier to trim out the image/choose not to include image). > > Ken, N2VIP > >> On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Rick Green <rtg@...> wrote: >> >> ?On Mon, 6 Jun 2022, Doug W wrote: >> >>> Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email delivery >>> preference to either no email or special notices only.? Then access the list at /g/BITX20/topics and read it like a forum instead >>> of wading through email.? Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages by subject making topics easier to follow. >> I agree with these sentiments.? For most of the 90's I was stuck with dialup service while the public use of the Internet was exploding.? The developers and 'Influencers' all seemed to have unlimited broadband access, so they accelerated the use of gratuitous graphics, with no concern for the majority of internet users who had 56k or slower intermittent connections at that time. >>? 'Just use Delete' isn't the answer.? A large bloated message in your Inbox will hang up your connection until its fully downloaded, and will delay or prevent the delivery of many smaller messages until it is complete. >>? A possible workaround for the user is the IMAP protocol rather than POP3 for mail delivery.? IMAP allows for the download of just the index of available messages, so that the user can selectively download them, or delete them on the server unread.? Most web browsers have an option to suppress the display of all graphics unless individually requested.? I used this as an advertisement blocker for many years. >>? A question for the group administrator:? The Groups.io service has many options, including the 'Forum' mode you mention above.? I believe it also has a 'files' section reserved for each group, and I've seen some groups encourage its use in preference to attachments.? Does Groups.io also have an option to automatically strip attachments from all posted messages, and convert them to links into the groups 'files' section?? This would also eliminate the duplicate bloat which happens when users include the images again in their reply messages. >>? Hopefully the threading capability of the forum can also detect and suppress the full quotation of previous messages, which easily becomes its own form of bloat. >> >> -- >> Rick Green, N8BJX >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Jack, W8TEE |
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Daniel KK4MRN
Hello, Maybe we should be utilizing free internet services like youtube for videos and flickr for photos.? Dropbox has a free acount but is limited.? And look at other cloud storage providers out there too. Then link to these resources in our email.? Just examples. But, the advantage of attachments of emails is that attachments will still be there years from now.? Content on varous internet services can be flagged for anything: hate speech, profanity, copyrighted material like music, politics that someone disagrees with, etc.? Or the person who uploaded the videos (not necessarily the author) decides to delete those videos later.? I know my phone can re-size an image when I send an email.? So, my 30 MB bloated image becomes 100K as an example.? Most images taken by a smartphone are such a high quality image that take up a considerable amount of space more than what most people need to see.? These images should be resized to fit a smaller space and then attached to an email.? Or add the file to the file section of the google group.? Make sure to create folders to organzie stuff.? But google groups usually have a limit to what it can hold.? And like another ham mentioned, old cruft would need to be deleted - but who decides what and when? However, I think the best thing to do is to utilize the cloud storage providers and provide a link in the email to the resource in the cloud.? But keep a back up of the resource just in case... I use my email inbox to let me know when someone created a new topic or replied to a topic in a google group.? But I generally like to go to the web interface to reply or create a new topic. - Daniel KK4MRN
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:31:27 PM EDT, Jack, W8TEE via groups.io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
Ed: Not entirely correct. The central issue here is not the space on your personal system, but the storage space eaten by dup posting with attachements/images on a Forum. When you have over 2500 members, many of whom seem to assume the group doesn't have to pay for storage, bloated posts eat things up faster than you might imagine. Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:26:33 PM EDT, Ed Borghi <kb2e@...> wrote:
You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours! On 6/7/2022 12:13 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote: > A one meg attachment occupies the same space if stored in an email or in the files section. The issue is download time for users with sub-optimal connections, as well as people replying to an email with a picture and the picture is duplicated in each reply (it's up to the replier to trim out the image/choose not to include image). > > Ken, N2VIP > >> On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Rick Green <rtg@...> wrote: >> >> ?On Mon, 6 Jun 2022, Doug W wrote: >> >>> Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email delivery >>> preference to either no email or special notices only.? Then access the list at /g/BITX20/topics and read it like a forum instead >>> of wading through email.? Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages by subject making topics easier to follow. >> I agree with these sentiments.? For most of the 90's I was stuck with dialup service while the public use of the Internet was exploding.? The developers and 'Influencers' all seemed to have unlimited broadband access, so they accelerated the use of gratuitous graphics, with no concern for the majority of internet users who had 56k or slower intermittent connections at that time. >>? 'Just use Delete' isn't the answer.? A large bloated message in your Inbox will hang up your connection until its fully downloaded, and will delay or prevent the delivery of many smaller messages until it is complete. >>? A possible workaround for the user is the IMAP protocol rather than POP3 for mail delivery.? IMAP allows for the download of just the index of available messages, so that the user can selectively download them, or delete them on the server unread.? Most web browsers have an option to suppress the display of all graphics unless individually requested.? I used this as an advertisement blocker for many years. >>? A question for the group administrator:? The Groups.io service has many options, including the 'Forum' mode you mention above.? I believe it also has a 'files' section reserved for each group, and I've seen some groups encourage its use in preference to attachments.? Does Groups.io also have an option to automatically strip attachments from all posted messages, and convert them to links into the groups 'files' section?? This would also eliminate the duplicate bloat which happens when users include the images again in their reply messages. >>? Hopefully the threading capability of the forum can also detect and suppress the full quotation of previous messages, which easily becomes its own form of bloat. >> >> -- >> Rick Green, N8BJX >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Jack, W8TEE |
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I was just going to attach a 5 mb pdf to show how it is done... Kidding, but can we shift some gears on to instill this? For instance, with gmail, larger attachments are sent as links to google drive. - f On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 10:37 PM Daniel KK4MRN via <SQLDan2000=[email protected]> wrote:
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Jack, W8TEE
Windows machines have PC Paint and you can resize a picture. I can reduce a 4Mb picture down to about 200K and still have the info I want. Takes a bit of time, but really cuts down on the load. Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 01:07:39 PM EDT, Daniel KK4MRN via groups.io <sqldan2000@...> wrote:
Hello, Maybe we should be utilizing free internet services like youtube for videos and flickr for photos.? Dropbox has a free acount but is limited.? And look at other cloud storage providers out there too. Then link to these resources in our email.? Just examples. But, the advantage of attachments of emails is that attachments will still be there years from now.? Content on varous internet services can be flagged for anything: hate speech, profanity, copyrighted material like music, politics that someone disagrees with, etc.? Or the person who uploaded the videos (not necessarily the author) decides to delete those videos later.? I know my phone can re-size an image when I send an email.? So, my 30 MB bloated image becomes 100K as an example.? Most images taken by a smartphone are such a high quality image that take up a considerable amount of space more than what most people need to see.? These images should be resized to fit a smaller space and then attached to an email.? Or add the file to the file section of the google group.? Make sure to create folders to organzie stuff.? But google groups usually have a limit to what it can hold.? And like another ham mentioned, old cruft would need to be deleted - but who decides what and when? However, I think the best thing to do is to utilize the cloud storage providers and provide a link in the email to the resource in the cloud.? But keep a back up of the resource just in case... I use my email inbox to let me know when someone created a new topic or replied to a topic in a google group.? But I generally like to go to the web interface to reply or create a new topic. - Daniel KK4MRN
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:31:27 PM EDT, Jack, W8TEE via groups.io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:
Ed: Not entirely correct. The central issue here is not the space on your personal system, but the storage space eaten by dup posting with attachements/images on a Forum. When you have over 2500 members, many of whom seem to assume the group doesn't have to pay for storage, bloated posts eat things up faster than you might imagine. Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 12:26:33 PM EDT, Ed Borghi <kb2e@...> wrote:
You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours! On 6/7/2022 12:13 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote: > A one meg attachment occupies the same space if stored in an email or in the files section. The issue is download time for users with sub-optimal connections, as well as people replying to an email with a picture and the picture is duplicated in each reply (it's up to the replier to trim out the image/choose not to include image). > > Ken, N2VIP > >> On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Rick Green <rtg@...> wrote: >> >> ?On Mon, 6 Jun 2022, Doug W wrote: >> >>> Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email delivery >>> preference to either no email or special notices only.? Then access the list at /g/BITX20/topics and read it like a forum instead >>> of wading through email.? Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages by subject making topics easier to follow. >> I agree with these sentiments.? For most of the 90's I was stuck with dialup service while the public use of the Internet was exploding.? The developers and 'Influencers' all seemed to have unlimited broadband access, so they accelerated the use of gratuitous graphics, with no concern for the majority of internet users who had 56k or slower intermittent connections at that time. >>? 'Just use Delete' isn't the answer.? A large bloated message in your Inbox will hang up your connection until its fully downloaded, and will delay or prevent the delivery of many smaller messages until it is complete. >>? A possible workaround for the user is the IMAP protocol rather than POP3 for mail delivery.? IMAP allows for the download of just the index of available messages, so that the user can selectively download them, or delete them on the server unread.? Most web browsers have an option to suppress the display of all graphics unless individually requested.? I used this as an advertisement blocker for many years. >>? A question for the group administrator:? The Groups.io service has many options, including the 'Forum' mode you mention above.? I believe it also has a 'files' section reserved for each group, and I've seen some groups encourage its use in preference to attachments.? Does Groups.io also have an option to automatically strip attachments from all posted messages, and convert them to links into the groups 'files' section?? This would also eliminate the duplicate bloat which happens when users include the images again in their reply messages. >>? Hopefully the threading capability of the forum can also detect and suppress the full quotation of previous messages, which easily becomes its own form of bloat. >> >> -- >> Rick Green, N8BJX >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Jack, W8TEE -- Jack, W8TEE |
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Here's a photo of my garage, taken minutes ago.
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??/g/BITX20/photo/275743/3440888?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0 Will remove that photo in a couple of days, as I doubt it would be voted essential. Also, my email inbox has about 30000 pieces of mail, dating back 25 years. Why bother to sort it when I can usually remember an appropriate keyword to search it with when looking for a particular bit of ancient history? But this forum is a community resource, storage is metered, bloat makes things hard to find. Should not operate in the same manner as my garage or email account. Jerry, KE7ER On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 09:24 AM, Ed Borghi wrote: You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours! |
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Here's a photo of my garage, taken minutes ago. Anyone hurt in the explosion? Jack, W8TEE
On Tuesday, June 7, 2022 at 01:57:56 PM EDT, Jerry Gaffke via groups.io <jgaffke@...> wrote:
Here's a photo of my garage, taken minutes ago. ??/g/BITX20/photo/275743/3440888?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C2%2C0%2C0 Will remove that photo in a couple of days, as I doubt it would be voted essential. Also, my email inbox has about 30000 pieces of mail, dating back 25 years. Why bother to sort it when I can usually remember an appropriate keyword to search it with when looking for a particular bit of ancient history? But this forum is a community resource, storage is metered, bloat makes things hard to find. Should not operate in the same manner as my garage or email account. Jerry, KE7ER On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 09:24 AM, Ed Borghi wrote: You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours! -- Jack, W8TEE |
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýgroups.ip space is not a gift from the gods, it has a price:Basic is free with 100 user, 1 GB storage Premium is $20/month no user limit, 30 GB storage Enterprise is $200/month no user limit, 1 TB storage This group, bitx20, I believe was grandfathered at a different price/feature level years ago. On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:26, Ed Borghi <kb2e@...> wrote:
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Perhaps I'll find out once I clean off the top layer.
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We had snow for 5 months, and have had lots of rain since. Waiting for good weather so I can pull stuff out to the garage apron and have room to sort stuff out again. We're way behind on projects that need doing before the garage gets cleaned.? Yaks are being born, garden is starting up.. The off-grid L16RE-B lead acid batteries are dying so need to build a compression rack for the LiFePO4 cells that I'm now getting in.? Have 3/4 mile of 75 year old perimeter fence to rebuild, the barbed wire is currently held up mostly by the bushes.? There are two Cat D4 pony motors in there from which I hope to have one working motor by fall?for the 1937 RD4 with the 10' LaTourneau cable blade to clear our 1.3 mile long driveway of snow next winter.? A big collection of nuts and bolts and screws toward the back that needs sorting, it's a 2 hour round trip to get to the nearest hardware store if I don't have the right part on hand. My highest priority: Need to get that BMW F650 back together for summer, haven't ridden a bike much since 1978 when I found the San Thomas Expressway down in San Jose? was no place for the Honda CB360 and used my first paycheck to get a used Corolla. Way way off topic here, but then this message only has 1495 bytes, including the citation from Jack's post. Jerry, KE7ER On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:07 AM, Jack, W8TEE wrote:
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Don't forget your 328KB image (understanding you intend to remove it), but since we're discussing storage space...
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Ken, N2VIP On Jun 7, 2022, at 13:55, Jerry Gaffke via groups.io <jgaffke@...> wrote: |
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