You know what?? Some people will never understand.? I had customers that paid me to clean up their business hard drives.? 2 terrabyte drives with 1.7 terrabytes left after 2 years!? CLEAN OUT THE JUNK!!!? I'm wasting space.? I'd delete *maybe* a gig. Yep when space was expensive and file types were inefficient I could see it but today it takes forever to use up 2 terrabytes for most people.? The space worry warts belong to the same clubs whose members 2 car garage is empty of ANYTHING with a floor you can eat off of who will lose sleep if something is stored there for more than 2 or 3 hours!
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On 6/7/2022 12:13 PM, Ken N2VIP wrote:
A one meg attachment occupies the same space if stored in an email or in the files section. The issue is download time for users with sub-optimal connections, as well as people replying to an email with a picture and the picture is duplicated in each reply (it's up to the replier to trim out the image/choose not to include image).
Ken, N2VIP
On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:55 AM, Rick Green <rtg@...> wrote:
?On Mon, 6 Jun 2022, Doug W wrote:
Jack's very valid point about server usage aside, I highly recommend you go to /g/BITX20/editsub and change your email delivery
preference to either no email or special notices only. Then access the list at /g/BITX20/topics and read it like a forum instead
of wading through email. Not only will this free up your inbox it groups messages by subject making topics easier to follow.
I agree with these sentiments. For most of the 90's I was stuck with dialup service while the public use of the Internet was exploding. The developers and 'Influencers' all seemed to have unlimited broadband access, so they accelerated the use of gratuitous graphics, with no concern for the majority of internet users who had 56k or slower intermittent connections at that time.
'Just use Delete' isn't the answer. A large bloated message in your Inbox will hang up your connection until its fully downloaded, and will delay or prevent the delivery of many smaller messages until it is complete.
A possible workaround for the user is the IMAP protocol rather than POP3 for mail delivery. IMAP allows for the download of just the index of available messages, so that the user can selectively download them, or delete them on the server unread. Most web browsers have an option to suppress the display of all graphics unless individually requested. I used this as an advertisement blocker for many years.
A question for the group administrator: The Groups.io service has many options, including the 'Forum' mode you mention above. I believe it also has a 'files' section reserved for each group, and I've seen some groups encourage its use in preference to attachments. Does Groups.io also have an option to automatically strip attachments from all posted messages, and convert them to links into the groups 'files' section? This would also eliminate the duplicate bloat which happens when users include the images again in their reply messages.
Hopefully the threading capability of the forum can also detect and suppress the full quotation of previous messages, which easily becomes its own form of bloat.
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Rick Green, N8BJX
