¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

HELP on Gerber Files of M0YTH


 

Hello,

As we read on this forum, many people had problems with the Gerber files of the M0YTH montage.?I¡¯ve also spent a lot of time on this.
It seems that there is a problem of scale because I only get a small circuit of 1.5 cm instead of about 15cms
In addition, there may be a choice to make between MM and Inches.
I tried to use the GerberView software, but now it is out of trial date.
In addition, the files are in the RS-274D format, RS-274X files are required.
So, if a Gerbe specialist could look at this,?and?if he could provide correct RS-274X files to use on KICAD.
Thank you

here originals files


 

Try uploading this to jlcpcb, it seems to be the correct size etc. I spent about 6 hours one evening "fixing" this, or at least I hope I did, I never ordered it as I live in hope that someday that Ashhar will actually share the final sbitx schematic.


 

Thank you Peter
It is working well.


 

I imported the gerbers into Camtastic.. this the Gerber viewer we use at work and it shows a 6 inch by 6 inch board.. so if the original was 6 x 6 then my board manufacturer would have no problems with these Gerbers.. The only thing I would need to verify is whether layer1 is top or bottom.. it appears that layer1 is the bottom of the board..?
Thanks
Will

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 1:13 AM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:
Hello,

As we read on this forum, many people had problems with the Gerber files of the M0YTH montage.?I¡¯ve also spent a lot of time on this.
It seems that there is a problem of scale because I only get a small circuit of 1.5 cm instead of about 15cms
In addition, there may be a choice to make between MM and Inches.
I tried to use the GerberView software, but now it is out of trial date.
In addition, the files are in the RS-274D format, RS-274X files are required.
So, if a Gerbe specialist could look at this,?and?if he could provide correct RS-274X files to use on KICAD.
Thank you

here originals files


 


Hello,
The dimensions are good. For me it is about 150mm side (6*2.54).

The components are mounted on the layer where there is the most copper. For me the layer 1.


However, I can¡¯t seem to do what I wanted to do, which was to replace the components with SMD's.
After redoing the diagram in Kicad and importing the components on this pcb, you cannot change the skillscreen layer (seen as a graphic layer).
We should recreate the pcb from A to Z.

So I am also looking forward to the kicad documents of the ubitx v6.

cdt


 

I agree.. Didn't realise you wanted to convert to SMDs.. Recreate the PCB.. and the best place to start is with a schematic.. which would give a reliable and correct NETLIST..?


On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:21 AM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:

Hello,
The dimensions are good. For me it is about 150mm side (6*2.54).

The components are mounted on the layer where there is the most copper. For me the layer 1.


However, I can¡¯t seem to do what I wanted to do, which was to replace the components with SMD's.
After redoing the diagram in Kicad and importing the components on this pcb, you cannot change the skillscreen layer (seen as a graphic layer).
We should recreate the pcb from A to Z.

So I am also looking forward to the kicad documents of the ubitx v6.

cdt


 

Hello,

I¡¯m trailing designing a new PCB from M0HYT¡¯s Ubitx.
The copper side where the components were (No SMD, only components with through holes) had few tracks but a maximumground.
The rear face where the components were welded, there were only tracks? and no ground plan.
If I keep the same type of component layout, then it will be more advantageous to put the SMD components on the back side of the PCB (Where there are the most tracks) and the hole components on the classic side.
My question: Keep the ground? on the side of the components with holes??Move it on the side of the SMD components???Put one on each side and connect it with holes???Which placement for the ground holes (EX: 1 every cm?)

Question for a specialist RF ground? ?design. LOL
Some id¨¦as?

cdt


 

Hello,

When I look at the schema of Ubitx and that of M0YTH, I do find some differences, but the most important one concerns the power supply of MOS.?On the Ubitx it is directly powered by 12V, on the diagram of M0YTH it is powered by the TX. Since I¡¯m working on the PCB, I think it¡¯s wiser to connect to the 12V.
What do you think?

Ubitx sch¨¦matic


M0YTH sch¨¦matic

cdt


Mark - N7EKU
 

Hi,

This was done separately on the ubitx so that higher voltage on the finals could be used.? If you power them by the TX line, it will always use the main rig voltage.

If you are re-doing the PCB, it might be wise to look back at old posts about the need for a more linear layout in order to reduce chances of feedback.

73.


 

Mark,

I did not understand all on your answer, but I think it is wiser to feed the final power amplifier directly with the +12V.
This avoids going through the +TX, which actually goes through a relay.
So I amended the PCB to do that. I thing It's that you will said.

cdt


 


The final mosfets supply was made like this so that you could either use the nominal 12 volts as used on the main pcb board or you could use a higher voltage for the PA mosfets for higher power output and better linearity

L'alimentation finale des mosfets a ¨¦t¨¦ faite comme ceci afin que vous puissiez soit utiliser les 12 volts nominaux utilis¨¦s sur la carte de circuit imprim¨¦ principale, soit utiliser une tension plus ¨¦lev¨¦e pour les mosfets PA pour une puissance de sortie plus ¨¦lev¨¦e et une meilleure lin¨¦arit¨¦

Lawrence



On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 8:02 PM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:
Mark,

I did not understand all on your answer, but I think it is wiser to feed the final power amplifier directly with the +12V.
This avoids going through the +TX, which actually goes through a relay.
So I amended the PCB to do that. I thing It's that you will said.

cdt


 

Gerard
If you don't want to switch the PA mosfets supply I suggest that at least you arrange to switch the bias supply to them as otherwise they will be dissipating power and draining your battery if operating portable

Si vous ne voulez pas changer l'alimentation des mosfets PA, je vous sugg¨¨re au moins de vous arranger pour leur basculer l'alimentation de polarisation, sinon ils dissiperont de l'¨¦nergie et ¨¦puiseront votre batterie si vous utilisez un portable.


On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:17 AM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:
Hello,

When I look at the schema of Ubitx and that of M0YTH, I do find some differences, but the most important one concerns the power supply of MOS.?On the Ubitx it is directly powered by 12V, on the diagram of M0YTH it is powered by the TX. Since I¡¯m working on the PCB, I think it¡¯s wiser to connect to the 12V.
What do you think?

Ubitx sch¨¦matic


M0YTH sch¨¦matic

cdt


 

Hello,

I would like to have a picture of the underside of a Ubitx V6 to study the ground plane.
I always have a little trouble defining how to do this one well to avoid all the noise problems.
As my PCB circuit to SMD components on each side, my idea was to put a ground plan on both sides and connect them with a multitude of via.

Then I wonder if it is not better to make a ground plan on the digital part (nano + SI5351) and another for the analog part (part power amplifier, audio, and RF amp (Or do one for each section? ) then connect them to each other at the Ground point of the power supply. (Star connexion)
your opinions.

cdt


 

Hello,

I have also an another question:
On the M0YTH diagram, the filters part is not detailed and the operation of the relays is a little different
see picture here:


You can see filter 10M, 17M,30M,50M, but NO SCHEMATIC of the filters.

So filters on the Ubtix are they the samme?



example: Coils of 400nH is for filter 60M?
so is it good?

so is that good?
400NH> Filter 60M
750NH> Filter 30M
400NH> Filter 17M
330NH> Filter 10M

Please confirm if my interpretation is correct or other.
The software i used? will be KD8CEC, so?the operation of the relay will be therefore piloted with
cdt


 

The highest value of inductance and capacitors should be the lowest band, the next highest the next higher band etc


On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 6:31 PM Gerard <kabupos@...> wrote:
Hello,

I have also an another question:
On the M0YTH diagram, the filters part is not detailed and the operation of the relays is a little different
see picture here:


You can see filter 10M, 17M,30M,50M, but NO SCHEMATIC of the filters.

So filters on the Ubtix are they the samme?



example: Coils of 400nH is for filter 60M?
so is it good?

so is that good?
400NH> Filter 60M
750NH> Filter 30M
400NH> Filter 17M
330NH> Filter 10M

Please confirm if my interpretation is correct or other.
The software i used? will be KD8CEC, so?the operation of the relay will be therefore piloted with
cdt


 

Hello Gerard,

Here is the code segment for the standard TX filter selection using the KD8CEC version 1.2 software:

#if UBITX_BOARD_VERSION == 5
? ? if (freq > 21000000L){? // the default filter is with 35 MHz cut-off
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 0);
? ? }
? ? else if (freq >= 14000000L){ //thrown the KT1 relay on, the 30 MHz LPF is bypassed and the 14-18 MHz LPF is allowd to go through
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 0);
? ? }
? ? else if (freq > 7000000L){
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 0);? ??
? ? }
? ? else {
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 1);? ??
? ? }
? #else
? ? if (freq > 21000000L){? // the default filter is with 35 MHz cut-off
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 0);
? ? }
? ? else if (freq >= 14000000L){ //thrown the KT1 relay on, the 30 MHz LPF is bypassed and the 14-18 MHz LPF is allowd to go through
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 0);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 0);
? ? }
? ? else if (freq > 7000000L){
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 0);? ??
? ? }
? ? else {
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_A, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_B, 1);
? ? ? digitalWrite(TX_LPF_C, 1);? ??
? ? }
? #endif

Based on the M0THY filter section, the filter segments are not in agreement.? For the M0THY board, all of the relays must be on to engage the 10meter filter.? On the HFSignals v3 or v4 boards, all relays are on for 80/60meters.? So the choices are to change the filter to relay assignment or to use the custom filter settings in the KD8CEC software.? ?This can be done with the Memory Manager software on this screen:



My preference would be to either change the board to match the standard relay alignment or to modify the KD8CEC software to match the M0THY board.? This is based on the warning in the software and the worry that one time after making a change I would forget to set up the custom filter section properly.? You could use the Memory Manager for testing and alignment, then make the changes to the software and compile when you have it the way you want it.

73
Evan
AC9TU


 

Hello,

Hello,

For simplicity and compatibility with the KD8CEC software (Intended for Ubitx pcb), I will simply modify the schematic to be in line with that of the Ubitx V6.
So I will use the schematic from K1 to K5 with the same 4 blocks of filters. (Simple to create / modify in Kicad.

cdt


cdt


 

Hello,

When I look at the schematics of the Ubitx, I see that for K1, cabling is different from other relays. Yet when I look at some PCB's pictures, all 5 relays are identical.
I think it¡¯s a remnant of the old relays
Please confirm

K1 sch¨¦matic



K2 to K5 schematic


 

Gerard,

K1 pins are mislabelled. It should be same as K2 etc.

Raj

At 06/10/2021, you wrote:

Hello,When I look at the schematics of the Ubitx, I see that for K1, cabling is different from other relays. Yet when I look at some PCB's pictures, all 5 relays are identical.
I think it?€?s a remnant of the old relays
Please confirmK1 sch??matic[] K2 to K5 schematic[]


 

Hello,

I have a question about the addition of a more powerful amplifier type TDA2030.
For you, what is the best adaptation to connect it to an existing amplifier on its loudspeaker output.

Example:

cdt
?