On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 08:25 pm, Robert Alexander wrote:
Just what does any of this have to do with the bitx or units radios
Who cares? It's a great trip down memory lane for many of us! ? -- John - WA2FZW
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 07:11 am, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
An important part of communicating better.
And I was always under the impression?that hams are always trying to communicate better! Did I miss something here? ? -- John - WA2FZW
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Re: an open message to those unhappy with the volume of messages
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There are probably a few optimizations a human can make that would be missed by a compiler, but most probably aren't worth the effort. I've done that binary stuff and if you value your time at more than a penny and hour, IDE's are worth it.
Jack, W8TEE
On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 2:38:37 PM EDT, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:
Ah, you clearly missed the point.
All those editors and compilers and stuff are sissy too.
They were hand coding binary bits into those transformers.
Got us to the moon!
Haven't been back since.? ? ;-)
I've often heard from people who insist on coding in assembly, though not so much anymore.
And vaguely recall somebody advocating machine code as the way to go if you want to keep it really tight.
I very seldom find any reason to use anything less than C, even on small machines.
Jerry
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:14 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
What? I think IDE's make life easier. Those who want to use discrete editors, compilers, assemblers, and linkers are welcome to it. I prefer to be a sissy.
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Re: best way to solder ISP header pins to NANO board?
#nano
#arduino
Wow! Not a simple task considering how close
the Nano is to the pc board.
Probably the best (easiest) way is to solder a six-conductor wire
and lead that out to a six-pin connector. Color code it so that red
is V+ and Black is ground.
Note that Avrdude and Avrdudess will knock out the boot
loader if used to load new software. Their first task is to wipe clean
the entire memory space of the mCu. You must take special pains to
avoid that if you are ever going to use a USB loader again.
The square hole is pin1. The pins are stagggered, i.e., they run
1-3-5 and 2-4-6.
2 4 6
1 3 5
The rest is a standard ICSP header.
john
AD5YE
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Very cool.
Imagine how many times that code was looked over for bugs.
Of course, Armstrong found one.
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Hang in there, these guys are working on a fix:
? ? https://github.com/chrislgarry/Apollo-11/issues/23
Jerry
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:43 am, Doug W wrote:
Original Apollo 11 Guidance Computer (AGC) source code for the command and lunar modules.
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:25 PM, <n2tmc@...> wrote: I order things that come from China and it takes 4 or 5 weeks. I ordered a radio from India and it gets shipped on the 8th and comes on the 10th.
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Back in the 80s I constructed a "computer brain" in kit form, to
control the key matrix of a synthesizer keyboard, also in kit form.
It was capable of some neat tricks at the time, like programmable
arpeggiation, set chords, MIDI transforms, etc. It had a 1K memory,
as I recall, and a number keypad made up of actual metal pads painted
over. You programmed machine code into it, nothing higher, pressing
into the pads with your finger; I had to hold a cold water pipe with
my other hand in the Wintertime to make it recognize my touch.
Entering the machine code letters one at a time from pages and pages
of it printed in Polyphony magazine absorbed much of my waking
hours... -- Rich WB2GXM
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On 5/9/18, ajparent1/KB1GMX <kb1gmx@...> wrote: COSMAC ELF,? Built mine back '76.
12 switches, 1 push button, 2 hex digits of led, 256bytes of ram and the
1802, 8 pieces of CMOS logic.
I still pull it out to play.? Runs well on a battery of 8V or more.
Also National SC/MP (both I and II), Texas Inst 9900 in the form of the
Technico starter board, 6800D1,
Kim1, TK80, Intersil 6100 Sampler (base PDP-8 in cmos), IMSAI IMP48
(intel8035), Intel SDK85 and
then memory fails me. There is a 6809 in there too.
My favorite is a 16 bitter made from TTL...? I decided I needed to
understand how computers
worked at?the gate level. So design and build.? Not very fancy but proved I
understood.? Killed
me wirewraping it too. The hard part was getting the carry logic right.? It
was sorta PDP-8 /nova
in its origins.?Also proved that once you have a machine... programming
happens, mostly by
need as it was unique.
Allison
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Must have been before my time.
Can't remember those marbles at all.
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:49 am, Kees T wrote:
Back when men were men, ships were made of wood, men were made of steel, and electrons were the size of marbles.
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I find this hard to believe.....
I order things that come from China and it takes 4 or 5 weeks. I ordered a radio from India and it gets shipped on the 8th and comes on the 10th.
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electrons the size of marbles, and the number one tool, the most well worn tool, the first tool I reach for in the top of my tool bag that I was issued both bag and tool¡..to work on RF and Computer, and Microwave¡..was a BALL PEEN HAMMER¡..the greatest finesse tool for vacuum tubes or for those of you who rather¡..valves¡.and cannon plugs¡.
and the computer interface was toggle switches and 28 volt lamps¡..and the hard drive sounded like a Saturn Five¡..
and uniforms had starch in them not static¡..
thats when things were big and the big things they did then aren¡¯t much compared to today¡..
I miss my hammer¡
I still use a upside down nut driver to tap for cracked solder¡.
Craig KM4YEC
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Back when men were men, ships were made of wood, men were made of steel, and electrons were the size of marbles.
73 Kees K5BCQ?
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Don't you mean that we have gone from an age of wooden ships and iron men to composite ships and synthetic persons (must be P.C. here).
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:54 am, <Kd4epg@...> wrote:
take a look at this.
at what? pse provide a link to the product - tks Allard 73 PE1NWL
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take a look at this. Buy it as a kit or finished product. I bought one. It works very well on most antennas I have used. One of the keys is to have the correct balun or Unun for the antenna. I did have to replace the toggle switch, which seems to be a common problem with these kits.... other than that, works great for up to 20 watts.
72 and God bless
KD4EPG
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Back when men were men, ships were made of wood, men were made of steel, and electrons were the size of marbles.
73 Kees K5BCQ?
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You also had CROS cards which you could modify by cutting the lands by hand on a blank CROS card (80 column). Model 30 used them and inflated thin plastic bags to make contact. Made one of those late at night to repair a CROS card that had been destroyed in shipment.
On the core memories you could see bits being read as the cores moved slightly on the wires.?
73 Kees K5BCQ?
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Original Apollo 11 Guidance Computer (AGC) source code for the command and lunar modules.
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Ah, you clearly missed the point.
All those editors and compilers and stuff are sissy too.
They were hand coding binary bits into those transformers.
Got us to the moon!
Haven't been back since.? ? ;-)
I've often heard from people who insist on coding in assembly, though not so much anymore.
And vaguely recall somebody advocating machine code as the way to go if you want to keep it really tight.
I very seldom find any reason to use anything less than C, even on small machines.
Jerry
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:14 am, Jack Purdum wrote:
What? I think IDE's make life easier. Those who want to use discrete editors, compilers, assemblers, and linkers are welcome to it. I prefer to be a sissy.
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"None of this sissy IDE stuff."
What? I think IDE's make life easier. Those who want to use discrete editors, compilers, assemblers, and linkers are welcome to it. I prefer to be a sissy.
Jack, W8TEE
On Thursday, May 10, 2018, 12:59:17 PM EDT, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...> wrote:
Had to look that one up:? transformer read only storage?
Now that's how a real programmer writes his code.
None of this sissy IDE stuff.
In the rope format,? it was TROS in the Apollo guidance computers.
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Not that I was there.
Jerry
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 08:02 am, Kees T wrote:
punched some new TROS tapes myself.
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There is a trick i use for this. ?I stack all of the S/H enables on one bus (one processor pin and it can be multiplexed with a whole host of other events). Then you have all of your samples taken at the same time. ?Then i casually go read the S/H signals and resolve them using a muxed A/D. Build the data and display it when its all together. ?It works quite nicely this way. ?
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On May 10, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io < jgaffke@...> wrote: I don't think that's a win. The only way to tell the S/H to take a sample is to communicate via the i2c bus. I suppose you could have two i2c buses, drive them simultaneously when taking a sample, then read them out individually.? But this is getting messy. ? On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 10:05 am, Kees T wrote:
You could also use 2x MCP3221 parts with an I2C interface and you would have 2x S/H,12 bits and 2x SOT-23 package for even fewer $
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Yeah thats the one i was thinking of...
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On May 10, 2018, at 12:05 PM, Kees T < windy10605@...> wrote: You could also use 2x MCP3221 parts with an I2C interface and you would have 2x S/H,12 bits and 2x SOT-23 package for even fewer $
73 Kees K5BCQ.
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Craig Thibodeaux
Allard PE1NWL
K9HZ