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Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Mini Circuits have developed many MMICS with better imd specs than the MAV or the ERA. The many Gali and the Pga don't cost much more. Maybe it would be worth to test these for TX purposes. Il 14/set/2018 20:07, "Tom, wb6b" <wb6b@...> ha scritto: Assuming the MMC amps can work without the issues that are being pointed out, the idea of using an assembled amplifier board, for us retrofitters (like the assembled filter boards folks are creating) might make mods easer. Here is an amplifier I bought on Amazon. The Mini-Circuits amplifier looks like it has better spec for use in the TX chain. But, this board cost $10.99 (and I have it here). If only 10DBm output drive is usable, it has a little more gain (oscillation caveat noted). I saw similar boards for less money, elsewhere.? |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Warren Allgyer
This is exactly the layout I am suggesting Tom. It is very difficult to make such an amplifier oscillate with external stimulation due to the transmission line layout and low component count.
One caution.... preliminary testing tells me the amp should not be put in a design at its rated output. IMD on the similar SV1AFN board measured better than -55 dBc at -7 dBm with zero compression. At 0 dBm and 1 dB of compression IMD had deterioriated to -30 dBc and at its rated +7 dBm output compression was nearly 2 dB and the consequent IMD was -23 dBc.? If I were doing the design I would plan run them 10 dB below rated output. The gain is still there..... it is just not a very good PA! WA8TOD |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Gordon Gibby
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý?very interesting. From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Tom, wb6b <wb6b@...>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 2:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BITX20] 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing ?
Assuming the MMC amps can work without the issues that are being pointed out, the idea of using an assembled amplifier board, for us retrofitters (like the assembled filter boards folks are creating) might make mods easer. Here is an amplifier I bought
on Amazon. The Mini-Circuits amplifier looks like it has better spec for use in the TX chain. But, this board cost $10.99 (and I have it here). If only 10DBm output drive is usable, it has a little more gain (oscillation caveat noted). I saw similar boards
for less money, elsewhere.?
Would be interested in knowing if this LNA might be up to par for the TX chain. I believe the board is using this LNA chip.? Tom, wb6b |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Warren Allgyer
Allison
I can see how that could happen if trying to fit the MMICs into the existing board layout. One critical thing has changed however: we have moved a PA filter section that was laid out extremely poorly and leaking like a sieve, off the board along with it's high power leakage. The MMICs in question are designed to be laid out on 50 ohm PCB transmission lines and, if done that way, are nearly impervious to external unwanted feedback. Fitting them into the existing board is a non-starter.... agreed. But, as an overlay card with properly laid out transmission line inputs and outputs, replacing each of the transmit bi-directional amps and the driver stages up to the -7 dBm level or so would have a dramatic effect on IMD and it is hard for me to accept they would not be far less prone to oscillation than existing components in the existing layout. In a prospective v5 radio the used of MMICs as gain blocks in a number of places would dramatically reduce the complexity, cost, and component count while improving performance. WA8TOD |
Re: Which xmit transistor is blown?
Ok, I think I have this solved.
Really short version: It appears that my major problem was the laptop that I was using for FT-8.? The laptop that I have been using is not putting out consistent volume/drive on wsjt-x with ft8 (even with a different sound card).? A different computer was tried and everything now works fine. Longer version: Ok, I'm a bit at a loss for 'why' this has happened, but here's what happened.? I spent a LOT of time tracing the transmit signal, going back through the mixer stages and into the mic amp (q6).? What I started to notice was that everything looked just great at DC levels, but when under drive ('tune' signal from wsjt-x), the signal levels and frequencies didnt seem to make sense.? I connected a commercial hf transceiver up to the same PC (which I hadnt done, as I didnt have access to one) and discovered that it was doing the SAME thing - effectively no output.? ?I tried a different sound card (usb connected) with the same problem.? When I switched to a different PC with the commercial transceiver, TWO things were discovered:? 1) suddenly I had signal coming out and 2) the transceiver was warning me of high swr. so...high swr.? It appears that my tuner was set up incorrectly (mfj-971 - has 2 internal jumpers that have to be set for qrp operation, and the swr movement was incorrectly set), and I was likely running high swr for quite a long time with my ubitx and not realizing it.? Once I got the tuner situation dealt with, the commercial rig works great with the NEW laptop, and still does not work well with the old laptop.? The ubitx ALSO works well with the NEW laptop now.? Whats really odd is that the OLD pc's soundcard still works fine with earbuds, just not driving either radio. so...what I'm left with appears to be an odd pc situation (inability to drive the radio, but no other noted malfunction), but functioning radio gear.? If anyone has ideas on that, I'm open to them, but I'm not going to expend much effort in that area. THANK YOU to those who posted and emailed me things to check.? I got into radio in order to learn more about electronics, and that is absolutely happening 73 Sean |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Assuming the MMC amps can work without the issues that are being pointed out, the idea of using an assembled amplifier board, for us retrofitters (like the assembled filter boards folks are creating) might make mods easer. Here is an amplifier I bought on Amazon. The Mini-Circuits amplifier looks like it has better spec for use in the TX chain. But, this board cost $10.99 (and I have it here). If only 10DBm output drive is usable, it has a little more gain (oscillation caveat noted). I saw similar boards for less money, elsewhere.?
Would be interested in knowing if this LNA might be up to par for the TX chain. I believe the board is using this LNA chip.? Tom, wb6b |
uBitx v4 new socket
Hi everyone, again! Today I got a really big present from PostNord Danmark. They arrived at my house with a small box shipped from INDIA. Of course, it was my new uBitx. Yay !?The shippment was partially tracked by India Post and thereafter Mumbai Airport the tracking was available on PostNord.? ?It couldn't be better than TODAY. Cautiously I opened the pack, wondering about the condition of the board, everything was looking in perfect state. But suddenly I noticed at least three strange things. One of them is a "new socket" on the board and I can't find any indication of what its use might be and where should I wire these new pins. On my board, two of the pins are listed as "CW 2" and the other two pins as "P3". Few minutes later I had the schematic on the screen, following the trace of the circuit. In the schematic that new socket is listed as "CW 1" and "CW 2" but I can't follow how can it be P3 on my board. So, I'll appreciate any information about this situation and I apologize if this situation has been previously disscused.?
One of the other strange thing for is involving the soldering of the transistors and coils. I am not a professionist but I think the holes in the board, where the pins of the components are inserted on the board, should be full with soldering tin. Am I wrong? I checked for continuity all around the places where I got suspicious feelings but everything looks great. It can be a problem for future if those holes are not filled with soldering tin? I know that these boards, in theory, are tested before shipping but somehow It's hard for me to take this for granted. I respect Ashar Farhan's job and initiative, I'm grateful for this, but let me have my reservations in this matter. I appreciate any comment. Thank you ! |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Allison, why would the MMICs oscillate and not a 2N2219A? Might screening of the mmic help? Il 14/set/2018 18:06, "ajparent1/KB1GMX" <kb1gmx@...> ha scritto:
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Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
>>>The Mini-Circuits ERA-5+ MMIC is a single, pin head sized gain block that provides 20 dB of gain nearly flat out to 4 GHz with a 1 dB compression point at +18 dBm. It is 50 ohm in and out and works great on 12V. Three of these in series would make an extremely low component count, 60 dB gain block that is absolutely flat for the frequency range involved.<<<
Warren, Both Jerry and I tried? that.? I use MAV11 a lower gain higher output part and getting to oscillate in ubitx environment was trivial.? Getting non-oscillation was very very difficult.? Jerry tried as a replacement for RV1 I tried at pre Q90, and also as replacement for Q90.? Board layout was not friendly. I did try the 2n6661 (VMOSfet) for the drivers and at first pass they were very good? but most people would choke on the price ($15 ea).? Never tried BS170 or 2n7000 as those are fairly decent to 100mhz as wide band amps at moderate power. Allison |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Allison,
Yes, it's like herding cats ......? many different ideas, many cats. 73 Kees K5BCQ? ajparent1/KB1GMX 8:00am???#59377??
Ralph yes right here about 6 wweeks ago.
We repeat everything here at at least 5 times.? Sometimes more. Allison |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
I have ordered many small parts off ebay from China.? One has to be very careful as there seem to be many substandard parts.? You may get a good batch from one source and a bad batch from another. I have some RF power transistors of the 10 to 20 watt range.? They do now work at 10 MHz and above at all.? They do seem to work ok at DC and audio frequencies.? So will use them in audio output circuits. de ku4pt On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 11:13 AM Warren Allgyer <allgyer@...> wrote: Sorry Iz, I mis-typed. It is the ERA-3SM+ that is available for less than 1USD on eBay. It is from a Chinese supplier so it will require due diligence in testing.? ? I have them on order for test. |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Ok Warren, sv1avn is a good supplier as rf-microwave is, of course if you test the mmic from the Chinese supplier are ad good too I might well consider it. Thanks for testing them and keep us informed! Il 14/set/2018 17:17, "Warren Allgyer" <allgyer@...> ha scritto: The 23 dB gain, 2.4 GHz MMC amp module I tested is here:?? ? ?It costs $17 delivered from Greece. |
Re: raduino connections on bitx40
If yours has 16 pins along the bottom you got a raduino configured for the ?BITX.? The BITX40 raduino has 8 pins on top and 5 on the bottom.? Except for the pins the hardware is the same and you can use it for the BITX40.? You probably have to load the correct sketch.? I don't remember off the top of my head how to connect it but you should be able to find other posts with instructions as this has happened before.
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Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Warren Allgyer
Sorry Iz, I mis-typed. It is the ERA-3SM+ that is available for less than 1USD on eBay. It is from a Chinese supplier so it will require due diligence in testing.?
I have them on order for test. I have a MMIC amp from SV1AFN with similar specs that I just tested. Very clean, 23 dB of gain. A two tone test showed it does IMD of -50 dBc at -5 dBm out. It did -24 dBc at +5 dBm out. I will run similar tests on the 70 cent chinese ERA-3SM upon arrival. WA8TOD |
Re: 2N2222A vs 2N3904 sourcing
Warren, from Rf-microwave, which is a reliable supplier, they cost more than 6Usd each. Can you provide us the name of the ebay seller that offer Era5 at 1Usd really made by Mini Circuits? Il 14/set/2018 15:36, "Warren Allgyer" <allgyer@...> ha scritto:
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