Gordon

Still thinking about how to manage the "hams working on ventilators" traffic versus

the rest of the BITX-20 group discussions.? Wonder if it would work to let the ventilator

traffic continue but keep it under a very specific #topic header.? This would allow

those who are not interested in ventilating to just mute that topic so they would

never see it again.? Your thoughts...?

Arv

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On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:15 PM Gordon Gibby <docvacuumtubes@...> wrote:

Thank you Arv.? ?Probably 35 messages have gone out internal the group working on the ventilator in the last 24 hours alone.? ?Two programmers have written working or nearly working code to improve on the tiny stuff that I wrote; one press release was authorized; a university PIO has come on line, and three manufacturers have stepped up to potentially?assist or manufacture.? ?All of that happened with very little email here (unless I happened to slip up and sned it to the wrong place and if so, I apologize) -- and now we are at the point of moving toward a printed circuit board design and final software.? ? Some had ASKED for updates on this forum.? ?All of this, including frantic efforts to find suitable pressure transducers etc, fervent discussions of legal matters, and safety concerns and some arguments that were a waste of time...all happened outside this forum (which was appropriate).? ?97.1 indicates amateur radio is to be a RESERVOIR of trained people....and this in keeping with the outworking of precisely that.? ?Once a sufficient number became involved, there was no further need to discuss on this forum (unless by accident I sent the wrong place, my apologies).

THANKS for all who have volunteered their time and expertise, the group who started this has been overwhelmed with offers.

Lets hope this does some good.

Gordon Gibby KX4Z

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:49 PM Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

A recent ARRL news post highlighted the BITX20 group effort to work up a low cost design for a safe ventilator.??

These are strange times that might offer an opportunity for hams to "make a difference".?

My request is for those not interested in this subject to mute the topic for the next few days.? Work is ongoing to form a new group to focus directly on this effort.? This will hopefully move the ventilator messages to that venue.? If off-topic posts persists after the new group is functioning, those posts can be moderated and redirected to that group.??

I would ask those who are setting up a new info and control web site for the ventilator project to post a notification here when their site is up and running.? Once that is done we can take steps to move ventilator traffic over to that new discussion site.

Thanks

Arv

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On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 8:53 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:

Ken,

Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would be Arv:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/77310

I suppose you could check with Farhan, he may still have some pull here:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/2
? ??/g/BITX20/message/77283

Failing the above, perhaps start your own group?

Talk about this pandemic will be everywhere that people communicate.
If you want to avoid any such discussion, I suggest you pull the plug on?
your computer, radio and TV till about this time next year.

Back to the topic:??
Hopefully, if I need a ventilator, it will be something fully vetted by the FDA and UL and whatever.
Hard to imagine Tesla and GM producing enough at sufficiently low cost to satisfy the needs
of every African village.? This Nano + SprinklerValve thing may or may not be the answer,
but seems an effort well worth supporting.?

> My vote is to stay on-topic,
I haven't seen a post here about the Bitx20 in ages.? ;-)

Jerry, KE7ER


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:

Opinions vary, news of Elon Musk's latest exploits have never been covered here before - I see no reason to start now.

?

Do we want to start debating the suitability of a first-time medical device maker going from blank sheet of paper to respirator in a hospital ICU without *any* meaningful regulatory review in two weeks?

?

Typically the goal of international groups such as this one is to remain apolitical and avoid discussions of topics that only affect one region By staying on topic. (Remember the "CA State is shutting down all repeaters" scare? The "France wants to eliminate the 2m band" scare? In my opinion those discussions didn't belong here either, thought they were arguably Amateur Radio-related, unlike the Elon Musk link.) This group has a specific purpose on it's homepage:

?

"This group exists for constructors of the various BITX projects, to discuss all aspects of the design and construction including problems, components, modifications and experiences using the rigs."

?

Source:?/g/BITX20

?

My vote is to stay on-topic, but mine is only one of the 7,833 voices on this reflector. I'll happily reconsider if/when I hear Elon has ordered a uBitx has had some feedback or improvements on the design.

?

Ken, N2VIP

?

I vote to moving these discussions to a separate group. Jack, will you be able to create a new group? It is best to take this discussion into that.

- f

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 12:45 PM Ken Hansen <ken@...> wrote:

Jerry,

It's not that big a problem for me, I have no need to try and force my opinion on others - I simply shared my opinion, and when challenged, I responded.

As I said, I'm just one of 7,833 members of this group - my opinion only represents 1/7,833 of the members.

Thanks,

Ken, N2VIP

> On Mar 23, 2020, at 9:53 PM, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would be Arv:

Thank you Arv.? ?Probably 35 messages have gone out internal the group working on the ventilator in the last 24 hours alone.? ?Two programmers have written working or nearly working code to improve on the tiny stuff that I wrote; one press release was authorized; a university PIO has come on line, and three manufacturers have stepped up to potentially?assist or manufacture.? ?All of that happened with very little email here (unless I happened to slip up and sned it to the wrong place and if so, I apologize) -- and now we are at the point of moving toward a printed circuit board design and final software.? ? Some had ASKED for updates on this forum.? ?All of this, including frantic efforts to find suitable pressure transducers etc, fervent discussions of legal matters, and safety concerns and some arguments that were a waste of time...all happened outside this forum (which was appropriate).? ?97.1 indicates amateur radio is to be a RESERVOIR of trained people....and this in keeping with the outworking of precisely that.? ?Once a sufficient number became involved, there was no further need to discuss on this forum (unless by accident I sent the wrong place, my apologies).

THANKS for all who have volunteered their time and expertise, the group who started this has been overwhelmed with offers.

Lets hope this does some good.

Gordon Gibby KX4Z

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:49 PM Arv Evans <arvid.evans@...> wrote:

A recent ARRL news post highlighted the BITX20 group effort to work up a low cost design for a safe ventilator.??

These are strange times that might offer an opportunity for hams to "make a difference".?

My request is for those not interested in this subject to mute the topic for the next few days.? Work is ongoing to form a new group to focus directly on this effort.? This will hopefully move the ventilator messages to that venue.? If off-topic posts persists after the new group is functioning, those posts can be moderated and redirected to that group.??

I would ask those who are setting up a new info and control web site for the ventilator project to post a notification here when their site is up and running.? Once that is done we can take steps to move ventilator traffic over to that new discussion site.

Thanks

Arv

_-_

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 8:53 PM Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:

Ken,

Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would be Arv:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/77310

I suppose you could check with Farhan, he may still have some pull here:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/2
? ??/g/BITX20/message/77283

Failing the above, perhaps start your own group?

Talk about this pandemic will be everywhere that people communicate.
If you want to avoid any such discussion, I suggest you pull the plug on?
your computer, radio and TV till about this time next year.

Back to the topic:??
Hopefully, if I need a ventilator, it will be something fully vetted by the FDA and UL and whatever.
Hard to imagine Tesla and GM producing enough at sufficiently low cost to satisfy the needs
of every African village.? This Nano + SprinklerValve thing may or may not be the answer,
but seems an effort well worth supporting.?

> My vote is to stay on-topic,
I haven't seen a post here about the Bitx20 in ages.? ;-)

Jerry, KE7ER


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:

Opinions vary, news of Elon Musk's latest exploits have never been covered here before - I see no reason to start now.

?

Do we want to start debating the suitability of a first-time medical device maker going from blank sheet of paper to respirator in a hospital ICU without *any* meaningful regulatory review in two weeks?

?

Typically the goal of international groups such as this one is to remain apolitical and avoid discussions of topics that only affect one region By staying on topic. (Remember the "CA State is shutting down all repeaters" scare? The "France wants to eliminate the 2m band" scare? In my opinion those discussions didn't belong here either, thought they were arguably Amateur Radio-related, unlike the Elon Musk link.) This group has a specific purpose on it's homepage:

?

"This group exists for constructors of the various BITX projects, to discuss all aspects of the design and construction including problems, components, modifications and experiences using the rigs."

?

Source:?/g/BITX20

?

My vote is to stay on-topic, but mine is only one of the 7,833 voices on this reflector. I'll happily reconsider if/when I hear Elon has ordered a uBitx has had some feedback or improvements on the design.

?

Ken, N2VIP

?

Yes I would be willing to build some of these. The largest medical center in our portion of the state has 11 respirators available.?

I have nanos and 2 line displays in stock.
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73
Dave

Gordon:

I didn't have the right flag set for moderation. I have "unmoderated" everyone, so if something bad goes through, that's the reason.

Jack, W8TEE

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020, 1:02:10 PM EDT, Gordon Gibby <docvacuumtubes@...> wrote:

Jack, are you the moderator?? ?My posts are waiting for moderator approval...
Thanks!
Gordon

THANK YOU GUYS for working on this.??

--
Jack, W8TEE

Andy

There are circuits needed to convert touch into closed switch action. A search should turn up US and other sellers of this type of paddle kits.

I find a mechanical paddle more to my liking. Qrpguys and maybe n8dah has paddle kits that are inexpensive.

Have fun exploring.?

Curt wb8yyy

Jerry:

I have created a new group for those interested in the ventilator activity. (/g/VentilatorDevelopers), so there should be a wind-down of that topic's posts here.

True, have an FDA/UL approved ventilator would be great, but if your choices are a ventilator held together with bailing wire and chewing gum offers some chance of surviving and without it, you die, I think most people are going to opt for crappy ventilator. It's a stop-gap measure, perhaps, but it may make a difference.

Jack, W8TEE

On Monday, March 23, 2020, 10:53:11 PM EDT, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke=[email protected]> wrote:

Ken,

Your best bet is convince the forum moderator, that would be Arv:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/77310

I suppose you could check with Farhan, he may still have some pull here:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/2
? ??/g/BITX20/message/77283

Failing the above, perhaps start your own group?

Talk about this pandemic will be everywhere that people communicate.
If you want to avoid any such discussion, I suggest you pull the plug on?
your computer, radio and TV till about this time next year.

Back to the topic:??
Hopefully, if I need a ventilator, it will be something fully vetted by the FDA and UL and whatever.
Hard to imagine Tesla and GM producing enough at sufficiently low cost to satisfy the needs
of every African village.? This Nano + SprinklerValve thing may or may not be the answer,
but seems an effort well worth supporting.?

> My vote is to stay on-topic,
I haven't seen a post here about the Bitx20 in ages.? ;-)

Jerry, KE7ER


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 05:27 PM, Ken Hansen wrote:

Opinions vary, news of Elon Musk's latest exploits have never been covered here before - I see no reason to start now.

?

Do we want to start debating the suitability of a first-time medical device maker going from blank sheet of paper to respirator in a hospital ICU without *any* meaningful regulatory review in two weeks?

?

Typically the goal of international groups such as this one is to remain apolitical and avoid discussions of topics that only affect one region By staying on topic. (Remember the "CA State is shutting down all repeaters" scare? The "France wants to eliminate the 2m band" scare? In my opinion those discussions didn't belong here either, thought they were arguably Amateur Radio-related, unlike the Elon Musk link.) This group has a specific purpose on it's homepage:

?

"This group exists for constructors of the various BITX projects, to discuss all aspects of the design and construction including problems, components, modifications and experiences using the rigs."

?

Source:?/g/BITX20

?

My vote is to stay on-topic, but mine is only one of the 7,833 voices on this reflector. I'll happily reconsider if/when I hear Elon has ordered a uBitx has had some feedback or improvements on the design.

?

Ken, N2VIP

?

--
Jack, W8TEE