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Re: Tuner? Well Sure!

 

Hi Bill
Count me in also. Thanks.
Andy KM4TRT


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

Gordon Gibby
 

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?wow, you got a great deal!!!? Be sure to specify the capacitance in your order!!!? ?You should have enough to go into business for yourself selling those chips!!!



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN <kb3mun@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:17 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
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On 12/31/2017 00:12, Gordon Gibby wrote:

Amazon:? ?


DigiKey:???



I went with .
Thanks for the links.

73 de Daniel KB3MUN


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

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On 12/31/2017 00:12, Gordon Gibby wrote:

Amazon:? ?


DigiKey:???



I went with .
Thanks for the links.

73 de Daniel KB3MUN


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

Gordon Gibby
 

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Another source:


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CD15FD471JO3 - 470 pF??5%??500WVDC - $2.75 each



I used some like these to do a cheapie way of getting my Bitx40 onto 80 meters....along with an 80 meter LPF on the output of the transmitter.......


worked well.


gordon




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
?

surface mount (but not sure of the size):? ?

Digikey:? ??



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
?

Amazon:? ?


DigiKey:???




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN <kb3mun@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
?
Thanks for the info.

My typo, I used a pair of .22 pF for .44pF (closes I could get).? Your right is doesn't work too well, although I could hear a a QSO around 7.3 MHz.

Thanks again,
Daniel KB3MUN

On 12/30/2017 23:26, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
470pf? in an NPO or C0G or silver mica would be ideal.
Voltages there are quite low, less than 5v, so most any voltage rating.

> I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

That would give you 0.44uF, which is 440000pF.?
Not good, I'd be surprised if it worked at all.



On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:07 pm, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:
I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7. I know it is a 470 pF. Is it an NPO? what voltage rating?


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

Gordon Gibby
 

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surface mount (but not sure of the size):? ?

Digikey:? ??



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Gordon Gibby <ggibby@...>
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 12:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
?

Amazon:? ?


DigiKey:???




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN <kb3mun@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
?
Thanks for the info.

My typo, I used a pair of .22 pF for .44pF (closes I could get).? Your right is doesn't work too well, although I could hear a a QSO around 7.3 MHz.

Thanks again,
Daniel KB3MUN

On 12/30/2017 23:26, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
470pf? in an NPO or C0G or silver mica would be ideal.
Voltages there are quite low, less than 5v, so most any voltage rating.

> I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

That would give you 0.44uF, which is 440000pF.?
Not good, I'd be surprised if it worked at all.



On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:07 pm, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:
I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7. I know it is a 470 pF. Is it an NPO? what voltage rating?


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

Gahhh,? ?3 orders of magnitude.


On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 09:12 pm, Jerry Gaffke wrote:
Still two orders of magnitude off.


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

Gordon Gibby
 

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Amazon:? ?


DigiKey:???




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN <kb3mun@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 11:55 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7
?
Thanks for the info.

My typo, I used a pair of .22 pF for .44pF (closes I could get).? Your right is doesn't work too well, although I could hear a a QSO around 7.3 MHz.

Thanks again,
Daniel KB3MUN

On 12/30/2017 23:26, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:
470pf? in an NPO or C0G or silver mica would be ideal.
Voltages there are quite low, less than 5v, so most any voltage rating.

> I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

That would give you 0.44uF, which is 440000pF.?
Not good, I'd be surprised if it worked at all.



On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:07 pm, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:
I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7. I know it is a 470 pF. Is it an NPO? what voltage rating?


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

Still two orders of magnitude off.
I assume you used two 0.22nF caps.? (nano-Farads isn't used quite so much as pico-Farads and micro-Farads in amateur circles)
220pF = 0.220nF = 0.000220uF = 0.000000000220 Farads.


On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:56 pm, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:
My typo, I used a pair of .22 pF for .44pF (closes I could get).?


Re: what else should I order from there? #parts

 

I use their I2C LCD backpack boards and their SI5351 board (which can be fed either 5V or 3.3V).? They have kits of machined header pins and sockets, and rotary encoders, as well.?

And the little red boxes are perfect for storing parts and/or project sub-assemblies. ;)


On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 07:30 am, Doug W wrote:
I have a suggestion when someone suggests a vendor.? The idea came to me when Vince found a 1/4" shaft audio pot (great find by the way).

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 03:39 pm, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
Just heard back from Adafruit. This pot: for $1.50 is an audio taper and has a 6mm shaft (1/4" is 6.35mm).

I've never ordered from adafruit because for the longest time they wouldn't ship usps to me so the shipping was a killer.? I see they finally will ship usps.?? What else should I buy from them?? I'm not talking about the standards I can find anywhere but it seems like each vendor has a few things that are very difficult to source anywhere else.? An example would be the M7 nuts for the chinese encoders that Jameco seems to have the market cornered on.? Like most of us I have paid more in shipping than the part costs just to get something I need only to remember a day later I should have ordered something else or spent more time filling my cart on Tayda to hit $5 than it took to find what I was looking for in the first place.? So my suggestion is this, if you are naming a vendor try to also list a few things that are great cart fillers or hard to find anywhere else.? I realize with everyone chasing different projects this isn't always practical or useful, but it might be.


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

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Thanks for the info.

My typo, I used a pair of .22 pF for .44pF (closes I could get).? Your right is doesn't work too well, although I could hear a a QSO around 7.3 MHz.

Thanks again,
Daniel KB3MUN

On 12/30/2017 23:26, Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io wrote:

470pf? in an NPO or C0G or silver mica would be ideal.
Voltages there are quite low, less than 5v, so most any voltage rating.

> I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

That would give you 0.44uF, which is 440000pF.?
Not good, I'd be surprised if it worked at all.



On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:07 pm, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:
I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7. I know it is a 470 pF. Is it an NPO? what voltage rating?


Re: Laser cut ubitx case SVG

 

Is that Lucite?? and how thick?? 1/8 inch?

thanks,

Paul K0ZYV



From: Max Lock <max@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 3:33 PM
Subject: [BITX20] Laser cut ubitx case SVG

Hi All,

If any of you have access to a laser cutter, or are really handy with a
fret saw, you may find this useful.



-Cheers Max, G7UOZ.







Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

470pf? in an NPO or C0G or silver mica would be ideal.
Voltages there are quite low, less than 5v, so most any voltage rating.

> I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

That would give you 0.44uF, which is 440000pF.?
Not good, I'd be surprised if it worked at all.



On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 08:07 pm, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:
I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7. I know it is a 470 pF. Is it an NPO? what voltage rating?


Re: #bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

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2 x 0.22uF in parallel gives 0.44uF. Much, much, much? bigger value than 470pF.


On 31/12/2017 3:07 PM, D. Daniel McGlothin KB3MUN wrote:

I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7.  I know it is a 470 pF.  Is it an NPO?  what voltage rating?

This week past, I put together my BITX40.  Observing very weak audio signal, I was following the receiver diagnostics video (  ) and found unexpected behavior when probing the band pass filter.  I also found that I have a bad audio jack linking the headphone jack and the speaker (probably a overheating problem).

Anyway, I was re-soldering the BPF inductors (L1..L3).  While there, I decided to resolder the capacitors (C1..C7) as well.  C7 came off when soldering one end (the other end "broke" off, and the chip came off on the iron).

I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

Thanks,
Daniel KB3MUN






#bitx40 #parts need spec's on BITX40 capacitor C7 #bitx40 #parts

 

I need part specification for BITX40 capacitor C7. I know it is a 470 pF. Is it an NPO? what voltage rating?

This week past, I put together my BITX40. Observing very weak audio signal, I was following the receiver diagnostics video ( ) and found unexpected behavior when probing the band pass filter. I also found that I have a bad audio jack linking the headphone jack and the speaker (probably a overheating problem).

Anyway, I was re-soldering the BPF inductors (L1..L3). While there, I decided to resolder the capacitors (C1..C7) as well. C7 came off when soldering one end (the other end "broke" off, and the chip came off on the iron).

I've temporarily repaired with a pair of .22uF in parallel.

Thanks,
Daniel KB3MUN


Re: Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!

Gene Nitschke
 

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Hi John,

Used tone on?7.023?into a dummy load only because I had a Pixie2 at that freq that I could listen for my output.

Voice I tried several frequencies.? The issue did not vary much with freq.? Issue is likely my cheap watt meter (and my reliance on it when setting up BitX) but I am trying to verify this with circuit that Jack described and Jerry's help in understanding it.

Gene




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of John McFadden <johnamcf@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 10:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!
?

Gene,

What frequency did you test on, and did you try other frequencies?

It turns out my Bitx40 shows different output levels depending on the frequency across the 40m band, maybe your board has the same issue.


I emailed out graphs of my board's output under the heading "Power output decreases as a function of frequency? #bitx40" with one today.


John


On 12/30/2017 9:21 PM, Gene Nitschke wrote:

Hi Jerry,

Sorry for the delay (holidays you know).??

I do have a number of the 100N50 resistors and find that they work great.


Yes, I saw the notes from Jack but I am unclear about the?operation.? Software apparently is in his book and likely available in QST sometime in 2018.??


Can I just use the circuit w/o the nano,?I assume the resistor divider is for sampling by the nano???If?I connect the rig across the 50 ohm load and measure the voltage across the capacitor, what is the relationship of voltage to power (is it simply V^2/R)?




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 11:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!
?
How reasonable do you want to be on the cost thing for your wattmeter?

Could build a dummy load with wattmeter along the lines of the one Jack described, reads peak power:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/36955
In post 37017 Mike describes using these $0.10 resistors:? ???So you need a 50 ohm load resistor of some sort plus a diode (a 1n4148 or 1n914 would do) plus 2 resistors and a cap.?
Use your DVM to measure the voltage from the cap.? Total cost is around $1 from Mouser, plus $10 shipping.

Some really nice 50 ohm RF loads on ebay, need an awful big heatsink if giving it 250W
I've got some of these on order, should show up in a month or so.
? ??
1Pc x Load Resistance RFP 250-50 250W 50 Ohm 250N50 TC RF Resistors. High-frequency high-frequency dummy load 250w 50 Ohm. 3, Silver microstrip pin as much as possible with the input signal parallel. | eBay!



Alternately, no dummy load but include an inline SWR meter for daily use with the rig:
? ? /g/BITX20/message/36987
groups.io
No, it's not meant to be left in line, as it sucks up all the power and is not a "sampling" wattmeter. Peter Parker had a really simple sampling as a tuning indicator ...



Cheapest solution:
Stick with the CB wattmeter, but ask local hams to check it against some better instruments.
It's probably just fine for what you are doing.

?Jerry, KE7ER



On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 07:53 pm, Gene Nitschke wrote:
Is there a good (reasonable cost) watt meter that would be better to use in these situations?


Re: Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!

Gene Nitschke
 

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Jerry,

Great, thanks,?will give it a try.? Sounds simple and will be a?good way to check my cheap CB watt?meter.

Gene N2IJF



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 9:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!
?
Yes, you can use it without the Nano.

Assume the transmitter is driving the 50 ohm dummy load with a 20 volt peak to peak sine wave.
Since the other end of the 50 ohm dummy load is grounded, the 20 volts peak to peak is centered on ground,
so -10 volts and +10 volts at the peaks of the sine wave.
The meter will measure around 10 volts.
When computing power for a sine wave like this, we use the rms voltage, in this case it is 10 volts * 0.707 = 7.07 volts rms.
Now we can use your formula:? ? power = V^2/R = 7.07vrms^2/50ohms = 50/50 = 1 Watt.

In general, measure the dc voltage across the cap, multiply by 0.707, then use that as the voltage in your V^2/R formula.

You will get slightly more exact results if you add 0.6 volts to the meter reading to account for the drop across the diode.
So in the example above where the meter read 10vdc across the cap,? we would use (10v+0.6v)*0.707 = 7.49vrms

You do want something like Jacks 58k ohms of resistance across the cap, value is not critical.
Higher resistance makes the peak voltage stick around longer for you to read with a meter.

Diode is not critical, a 1n4148 or 1n914 should be fine at moderate power levels.
Maximum reverse voltage for these is 100 volts, so should be good up to a peak-to-peak max of 100 volts,
so a peak to ground of 50 volts (as seen on the meter), or 50*0.707=35.35vrms, or 25 Watts.?

Jerry, KE7ER
?
On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 06:22 pm, Gene Nitschke wrote:
Can I just use the circuit w/o the nano,?I assume the resistor divider is for sampling by the nano???If?I connect the rig across the 50 ohm load and measure the voltage across the capacitor, what is the relationship of voltage to power (is it simply V^2/R)?


Re: Laser cut ubitx case SVG

 

Nice design. Perhaps we can manage spot welding 4 nuts behind the lcd and thus prevent the 4 mounting holes. Kindly think of such possibility.

?best of NEW Year 2018

regards
Sarma
?

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 4:10 AM, MAc B <sp9mrn@...> wrote:

Nice. I will have it ;-)

Thank You

MAc



Re: How to find the missing "Low pass filter at 30 MHz" article by W7ZOI #ubitx

 

Jerry and? Andy
the filter implemented by Andy looks performing nice.? Can als o try similar with the design of Eamon Skelton EI9GQ please.
?HE GAVE A GOOD GRAPH OF HIS? ROOFING FILTER.. One of my acquaintances vu3iia tried it with good results.
HEREIS THE LINK

?Regards
?sarma
vu3zmv

regards
Sarma
?

On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 8:13 AM, AndyH <ahecker@...> wrote:
I don't know what specific parts W7ZOI used.? There's very little power flowing through this filter, though, so it should be easy duty for the components.

I used these:



And the filter seems to work pretty well.



(ignore the trace prior to about 3.5KHz - that's below the range the Sweeperino can signal)
73
Andy, KG5RKP

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 09:51 am, ohwenzelph wrote:
any one know the characteristics of the surface mount he ended up using? and could you transmit at uBitx powers thru that filter?
are there toroids that could be used instead, perhaps with shielding between sections? the standard values for 9 and 10 turns on the ones he used are not that close to what he was looking for.
jerry aa1of



Re: Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!

John McFadden
 

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Gene,

What frequency did you test on, and did you try other frequencies?

It turns out my Bitx40 shows different output levels depending on the frequency across the 40m band, maybe your board has the same issue.


I emailed out graphs of my board's output under the heading "Power output decreases as a function of frequency? #bitx40" with one today.


John


On 12/30/2017 9:21 PM, Gene Nitschke wrote:

Hi Jerry,

Sorry for the delay (holidays you know).??

I do have a number of the 100N50 resistors and find that they work great.


Yes, I saw the notes from Jack but I am unclear about the?operation.? Software apparently is in his book and likely available in QST sometime in 2018.??


Can I just use the circuit w/o the nano,?I assume the resistor divider is for sampling by the nano???If?I connect the rig across the 50 ohm load and measure the voltage across the capacitor, what is the relationship of voltage to power (is it simply V^2/R)?




From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Jerry Gaffke via Groups.Io <jgaffke@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 11:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!
?
How reasonable do you want to be on the cost thing for your wattmeter?

Could build a dummy load with wattmeter along the lines of the one Jack described, reads peak power:
? ??/g/BITX20/message/36955
In post 37017 Mike describes using these $0.10 resistors:? ???So you need a 50 ohm load resistor of some sort plus a diode (a 1n4148 or 1n914 would do) plus 2 resistors and a cap.?
Use your DVM to measure the voltage from the cap.? Total cost is around $1 from Mouser, plus $10 shipping.

Some really nice 50 ohm RF loads on ebay, need an awful big heatsink if giving it 250W
I've got some of these on order, should show up in a month or so.
? ??
1Pc x Load Resistance RFP 250-50 250W 50 Ohm 250N50 TC RF Resistors. High-frequency high-frequency dummy load 250w 50 Ohm. 3, Silver microstrip pin as much as possible with the input signal parallel. | eBay!



Alternately, no dummy load but include an inline SWR meter for daily use with the rig:
? ? /g/BITX20/message/36987
groups.io
No, it's not meant to be left in line, as it sucks up all the power and is not a "sampling" wattmeter. Peter Parker had a really simple sampling as a tuning indicator ...



Cheapest solution:
Stick with the CB wattmeter, but ask local hams to check it against some better instruments.
It's probably just fine for what you are doing.

?Jerry, KE7ER



On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 07:53 pm, Gene Nitschke wrote:
Is there a good (reasonable cost) watt meter that would be better to use in these situations?


Re: Very low power output (BitX40), everything appears to be working but setup driving me crazy!

 

Yes, you can use it without the Nano.

Assume the transmitter is driving the 50 ohm dummy load with a 20 volt peak to peak sine wave.
Since the other end of the 50 ohm dummy load is grounded, the 20 volts peak to peak is centered on ground,
so -10 volts and +10 volts at the peaks of the sine wave.
The meter will measure around 10 volts.
When computing power for a sine wave like this, we use the rms voltage, in this case it is 10 volts * 0.707 = 7.07 volts rms.
Now we can use your formula:? ? power = V^2/R = 7.07vrms^2/50ohms = 50/50 = 1 Watt.

In general, measure the dc voltage across the cap, multiply by 0.707, then use that as the voltage in your V^2/R formula.

You will get slightly more exact results if you add 0.6 volts to the meter reading to account for the drop across the diode.
So in the example above where the meter read 10vdc across the cap,? we would use (10v+0.6v)*0.707 = 7.49vrms

You do want something like Jacks 58k ohms of resistance across the cap, value is not critical.
Higher resistance makes the peak voltage stick around longer for you to read with a meter.

Diode is not critical, a 1n4148 or 1n914 should be fine at moderate power levels.
Maximum reverse voltage for these is 100 volts, so should be good up to a peak-to-peak max of 100 volts,
so a peak to ground of 50 volts (as seen on the meter), or 50*0.707=35.35vrms, or 25 Watts.?

Jerry, KE7ER
?

On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 06:22 pm, Gene Nitschke wrote:
Can I just use the circuit w/o the nano,?I assume the resistor divider is for sampling by the nano???If?I connect the rig across the 50 ohm load and measure the voltage across the capacitor, what is the relationship of voltage to power (is it simply V^2/R)?