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Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 

Andy,
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The difference is I'm talking about what *is*, and you are talking about what *could happen*, what *may happen*, and how it does effect items other than those sold/shipped by HF Signals (like batteries from China)...
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It would have been helpful if you described the scope of your comment, described how it doesn't actually relate to anything sold by HF Signals, which is the focus of this group.
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Thanks,
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Ken, N2VIP
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Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 

Ken, I didn't bother posting other text as the focus is in the URL.
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Note that it was removed because it was determined the systems are in place to collect the tax.? It takes a stroke of the pen to expand the exception.? Anyone that has added tariffs to islands populated only by seals and penguins is already coloring well outside the lines.
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While it might not directly impact the radio itself yet, it likely will impact folks buying LiCo cells and chargers, and other accessories used when operating and upgrading our radios.
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73, Andy
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On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 08:23 AM, Ken N2VIP wrote:

You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:
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CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.
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Source:?
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I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.
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Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via groups.io <awhecker@...> wrote:

De minimis is gone.
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  • All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 5:54?PM Dennis A via <AC9KQ=[email protected]> wrote:
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?

AC9KQ
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Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 

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Ashhar,

Thanks for that explanation - yes, the components and subassemblies in the zBitx are subject to numerous tariffs, but those tariffs are 'baked into' the price of the device offered by HF Signals. A zBitx (for example) imported into the US from India is not subject to any of US tariffs in the news today because of the de minimus clause/exception, since they are shipped individually, but as you describe the various components as they work their way from the factory to you (HF Signals) are subject numerous tariffs as they cross international borders.

As has been discussed previously in this forum, other countries treat the importation of HF Signals products differently, sometimes imposing tariffs or other fees on the imported devices, but that is not, and to the best of my knowledge will not, be the case in the US because of the de minimus clause/exception.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 9:30?AM, Ashhar Farhan via groups.io <farhanbox@...> wrote:

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Sorry to extend this discussion, but does it also apply to goods that incorporate part components from China?
We get the pcbs fabricated at JLCPCB. We pay almost 60% duty (including anti dumping duty) on these as it arrives in India and then the finished product is shipped to the customers in USA and other countries.
My back of the envelope calculation is that more than 50% of the cost of zbitx is in double and triple duties.
Here is an example, consider the Si5351. It is imported into China at 20% duty, then it is soldered onto the PCB and sent to India. Indian customs duty and anti dumping duty is another 50% for imports from China. Effectively, the Si5351 in the hands ofAmerican costs 5 dollars instead of 2 dollars.
It would be much simpler of we could find a reliable pcb assembler in the USA who handles our kind of relatively lower volumes. We did try to search but never found one.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2025, 6:53 PM Ken N2VIP via <ken=[email protected]> wrote:
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:

CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.

Source:?

I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via <awhecker=[email protected]> wrote:

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De minimis is gone.
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"
  • All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 5:54?PM Dennis A via <AC9KQ=[email protected]> wrote:
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?

AC9KQ
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Re: Sbit 4

 

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Aaron,

I think you are confusing the new zBitx with the yet-unannounced suit x 4, which HF Signals has not, as far as I am aware, not even announced specific plans for, let alone discussed a possible release date.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 7:29?AM, Aaron via groups.io <w4aan@...> wrote:

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The last word from HF Signals was supposed to be by the end of last month, who knows. I'm planning to purchase one also.?
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Aaron W4AAN?
Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 


Russ?
K8UYM


On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 10:30?AM Ashhar Farhan via <farhanbox=[email protected]> wrote:

Sorry to extend this discussion, but does it also apply to goods that incorporate part components from China?
We get the pcbs fabricated at JLCPCB. We pay almost 60% duty (including anti dumping duty) on these as it arrives in India and then the finished product is shipped to the customers in USA and other countries.
My back of the envelope calculation is that more than 50% of the cost of zbitx is in double and triple duties.
Here is an example, consider the Si5351. It is imported into China at 20% duty, then it is soldered onto the PCB and sent to India. Indian customs duty and anti dumping duty is another 50% for imports from China. Effectively, the Si5351 in the hands ofAmerican costs 5 dollars instead of 2 dollars.
It would be much simpler of we could find a reliable pcb assembler in the USA who handles our kind of relatively lower volumes. We did try to search but never found one.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2025, 6:53 PM Ken N2VIP via <ken=[email protected]> wrote:
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:

CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.

Source:?

I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via <awhecker=[email protected]> wrote:

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De minimis is gone.
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"
  • All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 5:54?PM Dennis A via <AC9KQ=[email protected]> wrote:
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?

AC9KQ
?

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Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 

Sorry to extend this discussion, but does it also apply to goods that incorporate part components from China?
We get the pcbs fabricated at JLCPCB. We pay almost 60% duty (including anti dumping duty) on these as it arrives in India and then the finished product is shipped to the customers in USA and other countries.
My back of the envelope calculation is that more than 50% of the cost of zbitx is in double and triple duties.
Here is an example, consider the Si5351. It is imported into China at 20% duty, then it is soldered onto the PCB and sent to India. Indian customs duty and anti dumping duty is another 50% for imports from China. Effectively, the Si5351 in the hands ofAmerican costs 5 dollars instead of 2 dollars.
It would be much simpler of we could find a reliable pcb assembler in the USA who handles our kind of relatively lower volumes. We did try to search but never found one.


On Sun, Apr 6, 2025, 6:53 PM Ken N2VIP via <ken=[email protected]> wrote:
You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:

CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.

Source:?

I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via <awhecker=[email protected]> wrote:

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De minimis is gone.
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"
  • All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 5:54?PM Dennis A via <AC9KQ=[email protected]> wrote:
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?

AC9KQ
?

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Re: zBitx firmware update using Macbook/Raspbian

 

Worked fine on my MacBook Pro but the provided round adapter ?mini USB to OTG didn’t work. It may be your issue. I ordered a cable from Amazon.
?Below is the link- it works even though it doesn’t look like a link
Pete WK8S?

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Do not run this on the zbitx

 

Because I was bored, I thought about upgrading buster to bullseye just to see what would happen.
Do not run this RPI-UPDATE.
This program updates the rpi firmware and breaks the sbitx software. It changes WiringPi and doing a rebuild does not reset it. Also running the sbitx/update does not help. I had to replace the sdcard with a backup to get the radio working again.
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Leo, AI5II
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Re: Carrier line

 

I forgot to add that the line is there with power supply or on battery.
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73, Dean/ N2TNN
Carrier line

 

So, just recently I have noticed a carrier line which is very annoying. See on the photo my frequency is 14.044 and there is a constant noise line on 14.045. It is always there on every frequency and every band. I can diminish the sound by turning the IF down near 40. The line also follows any RIT movement.
Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 

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You should have included the very first paragraph of the Whitehouse fact sheet - It clearly states that the de minimus exception is indeed gone as relates to China, and only China:

CLOSING LOOPHOLES IN THE TARIFF SYSTEM:Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order eliminating duty-free?de minimis?treatment for low-value imports from China, a critical step in countering the ongoing health emergency posed by the illicit flow of synthetic opioids into the U.S.

Source:?

I believe all of HF Signals products are assembled in India, and while the components inside their products most certainly come from China, they are not subject to U.S. import tariffs having passed thru India.

Ken, N2VIP

On Apr 6, 2025, at 00:52, AndyH via groups.io <awhecker@...> wrote:

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De minimis is gone.
?
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"
  • All relevant postal items containing goods that are sent through the international postal network that are valued at or under $800 and that would otherwise qualify for the?de minimis?exemption are subject to a duty rate of either 30% of their value or $25 per item (increasing to $50 per item after June 1, 2025). This is in lieu of any other duties, including those imposed by prior Orders."
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A technical term from a lifetime in uniform rears it's ugly head yet again: BOHICA.
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On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 05:33 PM, Andrew wrote:
Tariffs are kind of a moving target but your radio shouldn't be affected due to the de minimis exception.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2025 at 5:54?PM Dennis A via <AC9KQ=[email protected]> wrote:
Awaiting my new toy, but wondering what, if any, impact the new tariffs announced by the US will have on shipments to the US.?

AC9KQ
?

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Re: CW on zbitx

 

That (every 4 ticks) would probably work - but only if you make the qsk delay high enough.
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That delay stops the waterfall/decoder display from updating, and that seems to be taking a bit more time than the current loop allows, one tick is not 1ms, but a bit over 2.
I think it would be fine to do the screen updates less frequently even when receiving, I like a slower waterfall, but that's one of the tradeoffs that I'm sure Farhan has considered and will fine tune.
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Erik
Re: Tariffs and zBitx Shipments #zbitx

 

If Trump is serious he will enforce the Rules of Origin that will tariff goods shipped to an entity in the US that does not perform "substantial transformation" of the product. Otherwise everyone could just rent an office in Delaware for a paper transshipment company and claim their products are made in the USA.
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In the past suppliers like DigiKey broke out tariff cost as a line item in the invoice so customers could see the actual costs. Others may choose to do that rather than raise prices and take the blame for the cost increase. This seems to be the route that Europeans take with their VAT.
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If a tariff applies to a product that we in the US buy, we get hit with a double whammy. Not only the tariff itself, but the carrier, like DHL, charges a fee for handling the paperwork. I experienced that when buying a telescope from Germany years ago that was over the De Minimis.
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73
??? Bob? KD8CGH
Re: CW on zbitx

 

You guys go for it!
More power to you!
I’m working on satellite antenna controls right now

Gordon kx4z

On Apr 6, 2025, at 07:19, Mike Johnshoy via groups.io <mike.johnshoy@...> wrote:

?Ron, I think you are going down the same path I did on the 64 bit baseline last year. In sbitx_gtk.c we made the tweak like yours which leaves Farhans code and the polling rate undisturbed for all current and future modes, except for new special treatment (more frequent polling) for MODE_CW and CWR.

I like Gordon's comment about the Shannon limit, but there is no limit on how much people will complain when you clip off one of their dits or dahs!

I originally started to go through all the CW related stuff between modem_poll and key_poll to see if it should be streamlined but Farhans original code seems pretty good.

if (ticks % 20 == 0)
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
else
{
// calling modem_poll every 20 ticks isn't enough to keep up with a fast
// straight key, so now we go on _every_ tick in MODE_CW or MODE_CWR
if ((mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value)) == MODE_CW ||
(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value)) == MODE_CWR)
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
}

and over here in sbitx_gtk

if (ticks % 20 == 0 || cw_tx_now ){
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
cw_tx_now = 0;
}
Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 10:04 PM, Ron Carr wrote:


and over here in sbitx_gtk

if (ticks % 20 == 0 || cw_tx_now ){
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
cw_tx_now = 0;
}

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Mike KB2ML
Re: sBitx update to 3.051?

 

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Steve,

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Follow what Gyula says. He got me started and I am enjoying my sBitx.

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Dean

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Stephen Clark via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 7:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [BITX20] sBitx update to 3.051?

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Thanks for your response, I’ll read more about the upgrade to 64-bit OS.?

Steve



On Apr 5, 2025, at 10:12?AM, HA3HZ <gyula@...> wrote:

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Steve,
if I understand correctly, you have sBitx v3 hardware. I recommend upgrading to 64-bit, the forum discussion for which can be found here:
New sBitx V3 to me

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Gyula HA3HZ
Re: Sbit 4

 

The last word from HF Signals was supposed to be by the end of last month, who knows. I'm planning to purchase one also.?
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Aaron W4AAN?
Re: Homebrew satellite control system that can run on sBitx

 

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Heard first ?satellite voice signals, single side band, on A07 this morning?
Gordon kx4z?


On Apr 6, 2025, at 04:40, Gordon Gibby KX4Z via groups.io <docvacuumtubes@...> wrote:

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The homebrew satellite antenna controller boards arrived and a prototype has been built and I have it now controlling a G Dash 450ADC ?quite nicely from gpredict?
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unfortunately thesbitx /transverter doesn’t seem to be sensitive enough (without any preamp) , but I think I just heard the beacon from AO – 73 using an older ICOM – 820H?
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Re: sBitx update to 3.051?

 

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Thanks for your response, I’ll read more about the upgrade to 64-bit OS.?
Steve

On Apr 5, 2025, at 10:12?AM, HA3HZ <gyula@...> wrote:

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Steve,
if I understand correctly, you have sBitx v3 hardware. I recommend upgrading to 64-bit, the forum discussion for which can be found here:
New sBitx V3 to me
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Gyula HA3HZ
Re: CW on zbitx

 

Ron, I think you are going down the same path I did on the 64 bit baseline last year. In sbitx_gtk.c we made the tweak like yours which leaves Farhans code and the polling rate undisturbed for all current and future modes, except for new special treatment (more frequent polling) for MODE_CW and CWR.

I like Gordon's comment about the Shannon limit, but there is no limit on how much people will complain when you clip off one of their dits or dahs!

I originally started to go through all the CW related stuff between modem_poll and key_poll to see if it should be streamlined but Farhans original code seems pretty good.

if (ticks % 20 == 0)
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
else
{
// calling modem_poll every 20 ticks isn't enough to keep up with a fast
// straight key, so now we go on _every_ tick in MODE_CW or MODE_CWR
if ((mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value)) == MODE_CW ||
(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value)) == MODE_CWR)
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
}

and over here in sbitx_gtk

if (ticks % 20 == 0 || cw_tx_now ){
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
cw_tx_now = 0;
}
Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 10:04 PM, Ron Carr wrote:


and over here in sbitx_gtk

if (ticks % 20 == 0 || cw_tx_now ){
modem_poll(mode_id(get_field("r1:mode")->value));
cw_tx_now = 0;
}
--
Mike KB2ML
Re: Homebrew satellite control system that can run on sBitx

 

The homebrew satellite antenna controller boards arrived and a prototype has been built and I have it now controlling a G Dash 450ADC ?quite nicely from gpredict?
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unfortunately thesbitx /transverter doesn’t seem to be sensitive enough (without any preamp) , but I think I just heard the beacon from AO – 73 using an older ICOM – 820H?
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