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Vacuum pump for sampling


 

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?


 

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Nick that looks like a rotary vane type pump that uses oil which is going to be very bad getting into that detector head. I would absolutely not use anything that had oil involved.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick Andrews
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:10 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

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Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?


 

Well I shoved the cord wires in an extension cord and it actually seems to run okay on 120vac.? Sounds pretty good,? not too loud.? ?If I completely plug the inlet hoses it slows down enough to kick in the starter again though.?

This model should be rated at 1.1-1.3cfm.

I think I'll install a proper 120 plug on the cord and hook it up to the SmartCAM and see what airflow it reports.?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 12:10 PM Nick Andrews via <nickjandrews=[email protected]> wrote:
Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?


 

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Nick I have a oil type pump on my vacuum oven and it uses scrubbers on the exhaust as there is quite a haze without it. Do you get an oil haze out of the exhaust port? ?All that is going back in so use an exhaust filter. ?An inlet filter will prevent oil back-streaming from the pump to the evacuated chamber which is why these are used on alpha spec systems. I would be wary of using ?that pump for that purpose. Get a diaphragm type pump there are plenty on Ebay around $100. I also realize that we’re not dealing with a closed vacuum system but why take chances. At the very least disconnect the vac line when finished as diffusion rules.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick Andrews
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

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Well I shoved the cord wires in an extension cord and it actually seems to run okay on 120vac.? Sounds pretty good,? not too loud.? ?If I completely plug the inlet hoses it slows down enough to kick in the starter again though.?

?

This model should be rated at 1.1-1.3cfm.

?

I think I'll install a proper 120 plug on the cord and hook it up to the SmartCAM and see what airflow it reports.?

?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 12:10 PM Nick Andrews via <nickjandrews=[email protected]> wrote:

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?


 

WHAT? You have all that stuff and no stout 110/220 test transformer with metering??

for shame.

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?




 

"I think I'll install a proper 120 plug on the cord and hook it up to the SmartCAM and see what airflow it reports. "

again, WHAT??: Where's your Dwyer flow gauge???

Geo

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:50:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

Well I shoved the cord wires in an extension cord and it actually seems to run okay on 120vac.? Sounds pretty good,? not too loud.? ?If I completely plug the inlet hoses it slows down enough to kick in the starter again though.?

This model should be rated at 1.1-1.3cfm.

I think I'll install a proper 120 plug on the cord and hook it up to the SmartCAM and see what airflow it reports.?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 12:10 PM Nick Andrews via <nickjandrews=[email protected]> wrote:
Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?




 

I have multiple suitable transformers,? somewhere.? ?Not set up yet here though.?

And yes,? a number of flow gauges,? somewhere...doh!

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 2:04 PM Geo Dowell <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
WHAT? You have all that stuff and no stout 110/220 test transformer with metering??

for shame.

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?




 

Good points,? and I was wondering about that because I don't want to be breathing oil mist either.? Will check for oil on output but for sure install a catch filter if there isn't one in the bottle on the outlet.?

All of my pumps are oil (except the turbo) types.? My experience with diaphragm types is that they fail...? Aquariums mostly.?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 1:50 PM Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:

Nick I have a oil type pump on my vacuum oven and it uses scrubbers on the exhaust as there is quite a haze without it. Do you get an oil haze out of the exhaust port?? All that is going back in so use an exhaust filter.? An inlet filter will prevent oil back-streaming from the pump to the evacuated chamber which is why these are used on alpha spec systems. I would be wary of using ?that pump for that purpose. Get a diaphragm type pump there are plenty on Ebay around $100. I also realize that we’re not dealing with a closed vacuum system but why take chances. At the very least disconnect the vac line when finished as diffusion rules.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick Andrews
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:50 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

?

Well I shoved the cord wires in an extension cord and it actually seems to run okay on 120vac.? Sounds pretty good,? not too loud.? ?If I completely plug the inlet hoses it slows down enough to kick in the starter again though.?

?

This model should be rated at 1.1-1.3cfm.

?

I think I'll install a proper 120 plug on the cord and hook it up to the SmartCAM and see what airflow it reports.?

?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 12:10 PM Nick Andrews via <nickjandrews=[email protected]> wrote:

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?


 

"doh!"



That's what I say 20 times? a day,? Today it was looking when the shed project needed a piece of sheet metal sheared, and I could see the shear in the garage, but would have had to move the welder, band saw, tables saw and two cabinets to make a path to it! GGGrrrrrrrr.....

Wound up cutting the metal with a hand snips,? DOH!

But when the metal building is finished, this week we think, all will be better, every tool will have a permanent home.

Geo

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

I have multiple suitable transformers,? somewhere.? ?Not set up yet here though.?

And yes,? a number of flow gauges,? somewhere...doh!

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 2:04 PM Geo Dowell <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
WHAT? You have all that stuff and no stout 110/220 test transformer with metering??

for shame.

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?







 

What normally goes in those glass bottles Nick?

Geo

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 15:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

Good points,? and I was wondering about that because I don't want to be breathing oil mist either.? Will check for oil on output but for sure install a catch filter if there isn't one in the bottle on the outlet.?

All of my pumps are oil (except the turbo) types.? My experience with diaphragm types is that they fail...? Aquariums mostly.?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 1:50 PM Dude <dfemer@...> wrote:

Nick I have a oil type
pump on my vacuum oven and it uses scrubbers on the exhaust as there is quite a
haze without it. Do you get an oil haze out of the exhaust port?? All that is going
back in so use an exhaust filter.? An inlet filter will prevent oil back-streaming
from the pump to the evacuated chamber which is why these are used on alpha spec
systems. I would be wary of using ?that pump for that purpose. Get a diaphragm type
pump there are plenty on Ebay around $100. I also realize that we’re not
dealing with a closed vacuum system but why take chances. At the very least
disconnect the vac line when finished as diffusion rules.

Dud

?

From:[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick Andrews
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 10:50
AM
To:[email protected]
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta
particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

?

Well I shoved the cord wires in an extension cord and it actually seems
to run okay on 120vac.? Sounds pretty good,? not too loud.?
?If I completely plug the inlet hoses it slows down enough to kick in the
starter again though.?

?

This model should be rated at 1.1-1.3cfm.

?

I think I'll install a proper 120 plug on the cord and hook it up to
the SmartCAM and see what airflow it reports.?

?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 12:10 PM Nick Andrews via <nickjandrews=[email protected]> wrote:

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's
the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And
I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,?
welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to
either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my
compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical
mill.?







 

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I’ve become adept at climbing over things for long distances. It’s getting it back that’s the hard part.

Dud

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Geo Dowell
Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 2:00 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

?

"doh!"







That's what I say 20 times? a day,? Today it was looking when the shed project needed a piece of sheet metal sheared, and I could see the shear in the garage, but would have had to move the welder, band saw, tables saw and two cabinets to make a path to it! GGGrrrrrrrr.....



Wound up cutting the metal with a hand snips,? DOH!



But when the metal building is finished, this week we think, all will be better, every tool will have a permanent home.



Geo

?

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

?

I have multiple suitable transformers,? somewhere.? ?Not set up yet here though.?

?

And yes,? a number of flow gauges,? somewhere...doh!

?

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 2:04 PM Geo Dowell <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:

WHAT? You have all that stuff and no stout 110/220 test transformer with metering??

?

for shame.

?

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

?

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?

?

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You hear that sound?? ?That's God laughing while we make plans...

Okay,? just got back from watching Top Gun: Maverick.? As a child of the Cold War, it was awesome.? Sorry, but seeing an F-14 fly still gives me a well,? you know...

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 4:00 PM Geo Dowell <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
"doh!"



That's what I say 20 times? a day,? Today it was looking when the shed project needed a piece of sheet metal sheared, and I could see the shear in the garage, but would have had to move the welder, band saw, tables saw and two cabinets to make a path to it! GGGrrrrrrrr.....

Wound up cutting the metal with a hand snips,? DOH!

But when the metal building is finished, this week we think, all will be better, every tool will have a permanent home.

Geo

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 15:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

I have multiple suitable transformers,? somewhere.? ?Not set up yet here though.?

And yes,? a number of flow gauges,? somewhere...doh!

On Sun, May 29, 2022, 2:04 PM Geo Dowell <GEOelectronics@...> wrote:
WHAT? You have all that stuff and no stout 110/220 test transformer with metering??

for shame.

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Andrews <nickjandrews@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 May 2022 13:10:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Alpha and Beta particle nuclear decay studies. Vacuum pump for sampling

Okay so I did bring my little Gast pump to Texas.? ?That's the good news.? ?The bad news is that the motor is 240vac.? And I haven't added the additional 240 outlets I need to for range,? tube furnace,? welder,? etc. next to the door where it's convenient.?

It's a Gast 0211-V87 pump.? So before I can even test it I need to either do some wiring or temp splice a dryer cord onto it to plug into my compressor outlet tucked way back in the corner behind the South Bend vertical mill.?