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What are your thoughts about publishing APRS IS MO and APRS IS 32 source code on github with an opensource protective license?

Paul
Son of KJ4ERJ


 

Hello everyone
I am in favour. This would allow this magnificent programme to continue to exist and improve if some of us have the capacity to continue the work.

Claude
F4IKH


Le lun. 16 déc. 2024 à 06:42, KJ4DXK via <kj4dxk=[email protected]> a écrit?:
What are your thoughts about publishing APRS IS MO and APRS IS 32 source code on github with an opensource protective license?

Paul
Son of KJ4ERJ


 

Absolutely! One of the great tragedies was that the source code to UI-View32 was never released, per the author's instructions. APRSISCE is a mature and robust program, but as time progresses, it will need some tweaking. Probably.

73,

Alan
WA4SCA


 

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Paul,?

I think that would be a great way to keep your dad’s project and contribution to the APRS and Ham community alive for many years to come.?

73, Brian
W1BKW


On Dec 16, 2024, at 12:42?AM, KJ4DXK via groups.io <kj4dxk@...> wrote:

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What are your thoughts about publishing APRS IS MO and APRS IS 32 source code on github with an opensource protective license?

Paul
Son of KJ4ERJ


 

Experiment and learn what is useful and discontinue any adaptation undesirable but do not become stagnate with "good enough".


 

Paul,

Yes, please. I think if you ask the APRS Foundation to be the custodian of his code on GitHub that would be fantastic.?

73,
Randy
WF5X


On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 9:03?AM Robert D. York via <kf4ffn=[email protected]> wrote:
Experiment and learn what is useful and discontinue any adaptation undesirable but do not become stagnate with "good enough".


 

Paul,

That sounds very positive. Who knows, perhaps someone who is smarter than I am could port it to Linux. It's nice that you are open to sharing it this way.

73,
Lee K5DAT

On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 11:42?PM KJ4DXK via <kj4dxk=[email protected]> wrote:
What are your thoughts about publishing APRS IS MO and APRS IS 32 source code on github with an opensource protective license?

Paul
Son of KJ4ERJ
_._,_._,_


 

+1.? The code should be open, but under the oversight of the APRS Foundation (or similar organization).? It needs a custodian.

Greg? KO6TH


Randy Love via groups.io wrote:

Paul,

Yes, please. I think if you ask the APRS Foundation to be the custodian of his code on GitHub that would be fantastic.

73,
Randy
WF5X


 

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I hope that the APRSIS32/MO code will not be locked after Lynn passed away.
This happened to the UI-View in the past unfortunately.

I'm joining with my vote to those who are for development as open source with kind of custody.
--?
73 de Krzysiek SQ5NWI


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+1.? The code should be open, but under the oversight of the APRS
Foundation (or similar organization).? It needs a custodian.

Greg? KO6TH


Randy Love via groups.io wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Yes, please. I think if you ask the APRS Foundation to be the
> custodian of his code on GitHub that would be fantastic.
>
> 73,
> Randy
> WF5X
>






 

It won't be.

Paul

On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:25?PM Krzysztof SQ5NWI via <sq5nwi=[email protected]> wrote:
I hope that the APRSIS32/MO code will not be locked after Lynn passed away.
This happened to the UI-View in the past unfortunately.

I'm joining with my vote to those who are for development as open source with kind of custody.
--?
73 de Krzysiek SQ5NWI


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Od: "Greg D via " <ko6th.greg=[email protected]>
Data: 17.12.2024 18:04 (GMT+01:00)
Temat: Re: [APRSISCE] Source

+1.? The code should be open, but under the oversight of the APRS
Foundation (or similar organization).? It needs a custodian.

Greg? KO6TH


Randy Love via wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Yes, please. I think if you ask the APRS Foundation to be the
> custodian of his code on GitHub that would be fantastic.
>
> 73,
> Randy
> WF5X
>






 

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Even after the code is released, there’s a lot more to keeping APRSISCE going than just putting it on Github. The hard part of keeping an open source project going is having a dedicated maintainer. Is anyone willing to step up? Someone who has the skills and tools to compile the project, review pull requests, post new ?releases, encourage contributors to the codebase??

Hal
N3YX

On Dec 17, 2024, at 9:35?AM, KJ4DXK via groups.io <kj4dxk@...> wrote:

It won't be.

Paul

On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 12:25?PM Krzysztof SQ5NWI via??<sq5nwi=[email protected]> wrote:
I hope that the APRSIS32/MO code will not be locked after Lynn passed away.
This happened to the UI-View in the past unfortunately.

I'm joining with my vote to those who are for development as open source with kind of custody.
--?
73 de Krzysiek SQ5NWI


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Od: "Greg D via?" <ko6th.greg=[email protected]>?
Data: 17.12.2024 18:04 (GMT+01:00)?
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+1.? The code should be open, but under the oversight of the APRS?
Foundation (or similar organization).? It needs a custodian.

Greg? KO6TH


Randy Love via??wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Yes, please. I think if you ask the APRS Foundation to be the?
> custodian of his code on GitHub that would be fantastic.
>
> 73,
> Randy
> WF5X
>









 

I firmly agree with Hal.? Who will pick this up?? I don't have experience, let alone the time.
?
Don, KE9XB


 

What language is it written in?

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, at 06:43, Donald Poquette via groups.io wrote:
I firmly agree with Hal.? Who will pick this up?? I don't have experience, let alone the time.
?
Don, KE9XB


 

Let's save the source first, then we can establish a development crew.


On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 7:33?AM Shawn Stoddard via <stoddard=[email protected]> wrote:
What language is it written in?

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, at 06:43, Donald Poquette via wrote:
I firmly agree with Hal.? Who will pick this up?? I don't have experience, let alone the time.
?
Don, KE9XB



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73,
AB1PH
Don Rolph


 

C for 32
LUA for MO (Moai) (Android)

Paul


On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 7:33?AM Shawn Stoddard via <stoddard=[email protected]> wrote:
What language is it written in?

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, at 06:43, Donald Poquette via wrote:
I firmly agree with Hal.? Who will pick this up?? I don't have experience, let alone the time.
?
Don, KE9XB


 

We really do need the source posted to find the best people to continue the work.
Not only is it the language it is written in, but who has the same development?tools.?

An?example is my work, where we do a bit of C work, however our development was done in Borland builder.?
Porting from Borland to other development platforms for C is very problematic.?
If we can continue Lynn's work in the same tools he used, then we can hit the ground (mostly) running.

If we can see the code, and know the development?environment, then we can make choices on who is best suited?to work on it and carry Lynn's torch forward.?

A custodian such as the APRS Foundation?or other similar group needs to be identified so that a proper transfer of source can begin.?
Even with the intent of being open source, someone ( or group rather ) needs to have responsibility for the origin source.

73,
Randy
WF5X


On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 8:34?AM KJ4DXK via <kj4dxk=[email protected]> wrote:

C for 32
LUA for MO (Moai) (Android)

Paul


On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 7:33?AM Shawn Stoddard via <stoddard=[email protected]> wrote:
What language is it written in?

On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, at 06:43, Donald Poquette via wrote:
I firmly agree with Hal.? Who will pick this up?? I don't have experience, let alone the time.
?
Don, KE9XB


 

Indeed it was a HUGE loss when uiview source was not made available.
I believe that all ham radio related software should be open source as much as possible and that github/aprs foundation is the right way to go.

by the way, APRSIS32 seems to work just fine under wine on Linux. No need for a linux port.
I use fedora but I am sure other distributions will work as well.

I also want to pass my condolences to Steve's family.

73,

K1KWP


 


On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 9:20 AM kevin.paetzold via <kevin.paetzold=[email protected]> wrote:

by the way, APRSIS32 seems to work just fine under wine on Linux. No
need for a linux port.

By the way, I've run it under wine before but would prefer not to.

I use fedora but I am sure other distributions will work as well.

What about architecture? Have you run it on an ARM processor? I assume it requires more than just Wine in that case. Not saying it's impossible, but it certainly would be easier to just run natively in Linux.

73,
Lee K5DAT?


 

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One data point on the porting of APRSIS32 to other platforms..? APRSIS32 is probably the only major application that I run on Linux under Wine and have almost zero clue that it's not a native app.? I've been using it that way for literally decades, with it replacing Xastir on my "Frankenstein" Shack PC when the old Tiger maps went away and my PC was too slow to render the alternatives.? I think the only Wine-related issues I ever had were the enumeration of the COM ports, and I think something that was related to my ancient graphics adapter.? Lynn fixed the graphics problem, and I found a workaround for the Com ports thing with a Wine registry edit (though now it's now been fixed in Wine itself).? APRSIS32 + Wine? been my primary packet iGate and weather station ever since.

IMHO, especially with the development vacuum left by Lynn's passing, any near-term efforts with the code base should be for maintenance of the code in particular, and with the APRS Foundation on the evolution of APRS in general.? I expect Wine will hold things together for some time to come, as long as it's visible to the new Dev team as an essential part of the solution.? It is all too easy to change the development environment, with the side effect of locking out solutions like Wine.? (Astrophotographers might recognize the evolution of Deep Sky Stacker...)

Greg? KO6TH


Lee Bengston via groups.io wrote:


On Wed, Dec 18, 2024, 9:20 AM kevin.paetzold via <kevin.paetzold=[email protected]> wrote:

by the way, APRSIS32 seems to work just fine under wine on Linux. No
need for a linux port.

By the way, I've run it under wine before but would prefer not to.

I use fedora but I am sure other distributions will work as well.

What about architecture? Have you run it on an ARM processor? I assume it requires more than just Wine in that case. Not saying it's impossible, but it certainly would be easier to just run natively in Linux.

73,
Lee K5DAT?



 

I see several different themes/tasks running through here:

1. Put the source out under a permissive license, so potential maintainers can get a look at it and see what they would be getting themselves into.

2. Figure out some sort of open source organizational structure to create new releases and make them available, with a “source of truth”/official imprimatur. This would be a shared governance, to include gathering bug reports and feature requests, collecting (and reviewing) source code fixes, and keeping the codebase in releasable condition.

3. Find someone who’s able to be the technical leader of #2 above, and pass the reins over to that person. Then they can start some new development.

4. Continue the wonderful community-based support for new APRSISCE users.

I’m willing to be an interim organizer of #2. And I’m willing to help Paul with #1. I’ve done a ton of work in various open source organizations, but I have no Windowsish development experience (I’m a Mac and iOS guy, mostly, and haven’t written any pure C since the last Bush administration). I’m also willing to go away and let some of the longtime helpers here take the lead on these pieces. I do not have the Windows tech chops nor the time to take on #3.

I don’t have a ton of connection to the APRSISCE world. I keep a copy running on an ancient Surface, but that’s the extent of my operating commitment right now. I think APRSISCE is the best APRS client for portable devices right now, and I’d hate to see it stagnate.

Hal
N3YX