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Re: The White Paper - ON THE MATTER OF A.A. ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC GROUPS

 

I assume the talk referenced above is this one:?

She says she's heard names mentioned for the white paper but is reluctant to name them because she didn't confirm it and there were questions about who else may have contributed and whose perspective it represents. (Like maybe they attached a well-known name to get attention and increase influence?)


Re: The White Paper - ON THE MATTER OF A.A. ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC GROUPS

 

I'm also interested in more information on this paper.? A post online indicated that it was penned by Sandy B.? Any credible source information out there? ? Thanks!?


Re: Mark Whalon, one of Bill¡¯s closest friends? #billandbob

 
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*Note: end of this quote ought to have read "...sense of exclusion at boarding school."

Bill W. and Mr Wilson
The Legend and Life of A.A.'s Cofounder
Matthew J. Raphael


Bill's First Drink
pgs 34,35

"In the first biography of Bill Will Wilson there is a certain ambiguity about [Wilson's] initiation. Robert Thomsen devotes most of a chapter to Wilson's first encounter with a barroom. This occurred during his early adolescence, in the company of Mark Whalon, a boon companion who was ten years older than Bill. Mark, a college boy given to cracker-barrel philosophizing, evinced the sophistication, intellectual and otherwise, to which Bill aspired. The friends often rode along together in Mark's delivery wagon, spelling each other in deep conversation. Mark was especially talkative about the rigid class structure of their home town, a topic in which Bill took keeen interest because of his own sense of exclusion at boarding school.

One lazy summer Saturday, late in the afternoon, on the way home from making a delivery in Denby, Vermont, Mark suggested that they stop off at a wayside inn to have a drink..."


Re: Mark Whalon, one of Bill¡¯s closest friends? #billandbob

 

Thanks, Bob. I¡¯m always hesitant in using Susan Cheever¡¯s book as a reference- perhaps unnecessarily so¡­?

[Moderator comment: No, you're not wrong. I'm at the point now where I won't use it as the primary source for anything. That being said, it's still a very interesting work. -Thom R.]


Re: Mark Whalon, one of Bill¡¯s closest friends? #billandbob

 

Brian,
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?A small? book by Lester B. Cole titled: "ROGERS BURNHAM, The original man behind Bill W"? relates that Mark Whalon was sort of Bill Wilson's mentor. Mark is mentioned on pages 78 thru 81--also a? picture of his house.?He was ten years older than Bill.? He was a delivery man around the East Dorset/Manchester area.? Mark wrote several books and also some poetry.??
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Page 81 indicates source can be found in Susan Cheever's book: "MY NAME IS BILL."?
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On 05/28/2023 6:07 PM EDT Brian <gr8ful1986@...> wrote:
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Ernest Kurtz makes reference to Mark Whalon being one of Bill¡¯s closest friends in Not God. I don¡¯t see anything about him in AAHL. Anyone know anything about him?

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Bob S


Mark Whalon, one of Bill¡¯s closest friends? #billandbob

 

Ernest Kurtz makes reference to Mark Whalon being one of Bill¡¯s closest friends in Not God. I don¡¯t see anything about him in AAHL. Anyone know anything about him?


Re: The White Paper - ON THE MATTER OF A.A. ATHEIST/AGNOSTIC GROUPS

Ray G.
 

Hey Joe.
I just read this but did you get a proper response to your question?


Re: Doctor in Keys to the Kingdom

 

That would be interesting to know. He had her "performing the most menial labor for his charity patients".? From all that I have read this attempt to get the addict to focus on the problems of others was an element of moral psychology at the time. It seems likely to me that this and the fact that he got a multilith copy leads me to believe he must have had some connection to Doctor Silkworth.


"The Alcoholic's Wife--Her Problems" written by the secretary of a Family Group

 

Is there a PDF of this available? I haven't found any reference to a book by this title by searching Google Books for books published from 1939 to 1956.

this book is recommended in the 1955 book The Al-Anon Family Groups on page 38. Lois Wilson was at that time leading the Al-Anon Family Group Headquarters Inc

"For further study of this problem, and the other psychological effects of living with an alcoholic, there is a helpful book, "The Alcoholic's Wife - Her Problems, " written by the secretary of a Family Group."


Who is responsible for the planter beside Dr. Bob's grave stone? #billandbob

 

Can someone educate me regarding the planter beside Dr. Bob and Anne's grave stone. It has the four absolutes on it.

Old photos confirm the current planter was not the original planter. When was the original planter replaced and who was responsible for the current planter and making the decision to include the four absolutes on the planter??


'LETTING GO' OF THE CIRCLE AND TRIANGLE AS A LEGAL MARK.....

 

'Letting Go' of the Circle and Triangle As A Legal Mark

BOX 4 5 9 August September 1993

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A triangle, enclosed within a circle, has long been recognized as one symbol of Alcoholics Anonymous. Yet, both the triangle and the circle are among the earliest spiritual signs known to man. To ancient Egyptians, the triangle was a sign of creative intellect; to the Greeks, it meant wisdom. In general, it represents an upward yearning after higher knowledge or spiritual realm.

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At the International Convention celebrating AA.'s 20th anniversary, a circle enclosing a triangle was accepted as the symbol of Alcoholics Anonymous. The

circle," Bill told the A.A.s gathered in St. Louis, "stands for the whole world of A.A., and the triangle stands for A.A.'s Three Legacies of Recovery, Unity and Service. Within our wonderful new world, we have found freedom from our fatal obsession. . . . "

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The symbol was registered as an official A.A. mark in 1955, and was freely used by various A.A. entities, which worked very well for a wh1le. However, by the mid-1900s, there was a growing concern by the members; of the Fellowship on the use of the circle and triangle by outside organizations. In keeping with A.A.'s Sixth Tradition, that Alcoholics Anonymous" . . . ought never endorse, finance or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise . .. ", A.A. World Services began efforts in 1986 to prevent the use of the circle and triangle by outside entities, including novelty manufacturers, publishers and treatment facilities. The policy was undertaken with restraint, and only after all attempts at persuasion and conciliation had failed were legal actions considered. In fact, of approximately 170 unauthorized users contacted, only two suits were filed, both of which were settled at a very early stage.

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By early 1990, some members of the Fellowship seemed to be saying two things: "we want medallions without circle and triangle," while others were saying, "we don't want our symbol aligned with non A.A. purposes." The desire of some A.A. members for anniversary chips were addressed by the A.A. World Services and Grapevine Boards in October 1990, when they considered the possibility of producing medallions. The boards felt that tokens and medallions were unrelated to our primary purpose of carrying the A.A. message, and that the matter should be given a thorough airing at the Conference in order to seek a group conscience from the Fellowship. The essence of this decision was relayed to the 1991 General Service Conference in the A.A.W.S. Board's report.

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The 1992 General Service Conference began to confront the dilemma by hearing presentations on why we should or should not produce medallions, and the responsibility of A.A.W.S. to protect our trademarks and copyrights from uses that might suggest affiliation with outside sources.

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The result was a Conference Advisory Action for the General Service Board to undertake a feasibility study on the possible method by which sobriety chips might be made available to the Fellowship, followed by a report to an ad hoc committee of1993 Conference delegates.

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Following lengthy considerations, the ad hoc committee presented their report and recommendations to the 1993 Conference. After discussion, the Conference approved two of five recommendations that:?1) the use of sobriety chips/medallions is a matter of local autonomy and not one on which the Conference should record a definite position; and 2) it is not appropriate for A.A. World Services or the Grapevine to produce or license the production of sobriety chips/medallions.

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Among the considerations in the ad hoc committee's report were the implications of continuing to protect A.A.'s trademarks from use by outside organizations through legal means.

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Coincidentally, the A.A.W.S. Board had begun to consider recent developments, culminating in recognition that the prospects of increasingly costly and lengthy litigation, the uncertainty of success, and the diversions from AA.'s primary purpose were too great to justify continuing the protection effort of the circle and triangle.

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During the post-Conference meeting of the General Service Board, the trustees accepted A.A.W.S.'s recommendation to discontinue protecting the circle and triangle symbol as one of our registered marks.

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By early June, the General Service Board reached substantial unanimity in support of A.A.W.S.'s statement that, consistent with our original purpose to avoid the suggestion of association or affiliation with outside goods and services, Alcoholics Anonymous World Service, Inc. will phase out the "official" or "legal" use of the circle and triangle symbol. AA.W.S. will continue to resist unauthorized use of our other marks and any attempts to publish A.A. literature without permission.

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The triangle within a circle will, of course, always have a special meaning in the hearts and minds of A.A.s, in a symbolic sense, just as do the Serenity Prayer and slogans, which have never had any official status.

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BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD!!!

KEEP COMING BACK AND STAY!!!

ONE DAY AT A TIME!!!

HEAR, LISTEN, READ, AND LEARN!!!

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SET ASIDE PRAYER

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DEAR GOD,

PLEASE SET ASIDE EVERYTHING I THINK I KNOW

ABOUT MYSELF, THIS BOOK, MY DISEASE, THESE STEPS,

AND ESPECIALLY ABOUT YOU DEAR GOD

SO THAT I MIGHT HAVE AN OPEN MIND AND A NEW

EXPERIENCE WITH ALL THESE THINGS

PLEASE HELP ME TO SEE THE TRUTH

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"Honest with ourselves & others gets us sober, but it is tolerance that keeps us that way." ¨C?Bill W

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¡°Of far more importance was the fact that he was the first living human with whom I had ever talked, who knew what he was talking about in regard to alcoholism from actual experience. In other words, he spoke my language.¡± ¨C?Dr. Bob

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Remember the four questions,

Is it true or false?

Is it right or wrong?

How will this affect the other fellow?

Is it ugly or beautiful?

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Answering these queries every day with absolute integrity, and following the dictates of those answers one day at a time, will surely lead us well on our journey toward absorbing and applying the Absolutes. ¨C?Dr. Bob

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Congratulations to the thousands of A.A.¡¯s gathered at Miami ... on behalf of the Post Office Dept. I want to express our thanks for the cooperation willingly given by the many local AA groups to our program for recovery installed in Post Offices nationwide. Without this cooperation our efforts to assist employees with a drinking problem could not succ?ed.?¨C Winton M. Blount Postmaster General

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I shall never forget that first meeting in my office, late one afternoon fifteen years ago, and the evening we then spent together. And I shall always be grateful to my friend who brought Bill and me together on that memorable afternoon and evening, for in some mysterious way I was ready for Bill¡¯s message. I learned something then from Bill for which all of my life up to then seems to have been a kind of preparation. What Bill was getting through to me was the then-startling fact that in A.A., when men cease to drink by applying the Twelve Steps to their lives, they are in effect beginning to live on a spiritual basis. And it struck me, as a nonalcoholic, that A.A. was a way of life for me, too, and for countless others like me who had never sought escape in a bottle or in those other refuges to which men turn from the pressures of a materialistic world.?(Bernard B Smith ¨C Chairman AA GSB)

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Don¡¯t work with me if you don¡¯t want what I had

If you want what I had, you have to do what I did

If you don¡¯t, don¡¯t do what I did?(Mark H)

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Construction References

1. Bedrock:-Personal Admission of Powerlessness ¨C 12&12, Page-21:3

2. Foundation:-Complete Willingness ¨C BB, Page-12:4

3. Cement:-? Common peril & ? Common Solution ¨C BB, Page-17:3

4. Cornerstone:-Willing to believe there is a Power greater than you ¨C BB, Pg-47:2

5. Keystone:-God is going to be our director ¨C BB, Page-62:3

6. Foundation Stone:-Complete Willingness to help others ¨C BB, Page-97:1

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You can¡¯t lead where you haven¡¯t been.

You can¡¯t teach what you haven¡¯t learned.

You can¡¯t be what you are not.

And you damn sure can¡¯t give what you ain¡¯t got!

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We recover by the Steps we take, not the meetings we make!!!

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If you are going to be a sponsor¡­.Be a good one!!!


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The Eskimo story in A.A. Comes of Age #event

 

In A.A. Comes of Age, p. 82-83, we read about the prospectors and the frozen A.A. book... is there any historical basis for this story (or perhaps is another A.A. parable)? Thanks.

'Way up toward Point Barrow in Alaska, a couple of prospectors got themselves a cabin and a case of Scotch. The weather turned bitter, fifty below, and they got so drunk they let the fire go out. Barely escaping death by freezing, one of them woke up in time to rekindle the fire. He was prowling around outside for fuel, and he looked into an empty oil drum filled with frozen water. Down in the ice cake he saw a reddish-yellow object. When thawed out, it was seen to be an A.A. book. One of the pair read the book and sobered up. Legend has it that he became the founder of one of our farthest north groups.?



File Notifications #file-notice

Group Notification
 

The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...>

Description:
A very important (but long forgotten) book that was quite popular in the 20's and 30's.Glenn Clark was quite the popular author and wrote many works. This is the 1928 version. scanned and is quite the difficult book to find. Not anymore. A fascinating work that simply had to influence AA and/or the OG in some way. We do know that Glenn Clark was widely read and I personally find his books rather fascinating. There's just no way this didn't have some sort of influence on AA. And if anyone out there has any information concerning this work or any other by Glenn Clark vis a vis AA or OG, please do share what you know. Enjoy! -Thom R. - AAHL Moderator


The following files and folders have been updated in the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...>

Description:
Arthur's Six Nights With the Washingtonians. (1871 version) This 1871 edition (it originally came out in 1848, I have that copy but do not have it scanned... a 173 year old book that needs real TLC to scan it and I do not have the proper equipment at this time since I lost my good book scanning setup in a house fire a few years ago), anyway this 1871 "reprint" edition explains its differences in the added forward. If you read nothing else, read the chapter called "The Experience Meeting" which is, hands down, probably the best explanation of what Washingtonian "meetings" were like, and how this movement functioned. It was originally published while the Washingtonians were still active, as well.


The following files and folders have been uploaded to the Files area of the [email protected] group.

By: Thom R. <thomr021092@...>

Description:
Published in 1925, this book was (and to many, still is) a staple. It mirrors much of what we find the AA program. Glenn Clark was very popular in the 1920's-1950's and it's pretty obvious when reading his works just how influential he was on AA (including the 12 Steps) as a whole. Contents: I. The soul's sincere desire -- II. A lost art of Jesus -- III. In the true spirit -- IV. A lesson in prayer -- V. In His name -- VI. Praying on the mountain -- VII. Helps to prayer


AA History Articles

 

Dear AA friends,
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Having served as an AA archives member for may years, I have developed an increasing interest in the history of our fellowship; consequently I have written articles to share some of what I have learned. I hope you will enjoy reading at least some of these.
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Simply Google: "AA History Articles, by Bob S."? Then scroll down to "AA History from Bob S" and open the PDF file.

[Moderator comment: Or simply click here because we store these files in our own files section:?/g/AAHistoryLovers/files/Bob%20S?-Thom R.]
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Please feel free to pass these articles along.
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In our history lies our hope!
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Bob S


Second Letter of Bill W to Dr. Carl Jung March1961

 

Greetings from a beautiful Spring Day in Portugal


Can anyone please provide me with a copy of the above or tell me where I can find the total version of it?


Your help in this matter will be appreciated.

Serenas 24 horas

?Carlos Duarte


TWELVE CONCEPTS ILLUSTRATED¡­.

 

¡¯Twelve Concepts Illustrated¡¯¡­..

BOX 4 5 9 ¨C VOL. 33, NO. 1/February-March 1987

News and Notes From the General Service Office of A.A.??

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They said it couldn¡¯t be done! A pamphlet on "The Twelve Concepts Illustrated," that is similar to the popular "Twelve Traditions Illustrated." Yet, thanks to the Conference process, it has become a reality.

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The text is brief and breezy, easy to understand. The clever drawings make complicated ideas clear. Those who have seen the pamphlet through various stages of production are unanimously enthusiastic.

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When the booklet "Twelve Concepts for World Service, by Bill W." was published, following Conference approval in 1982, it filled two basic voids:

First, it brought into symmetry the Three Legacies of A.A. as shown in the circle-and-triangle symbol; i.e.:

The Legacy of Recovery had its 12 Steps

The Legacy of Unity had its 12 Traditions

The Legacy of Service now had its 12 Concepts

The Concepts codified the Third Legacy.

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Second, it provided guidance as to the functions and responsibilities (as well as the rights) of the various service entities and how they work together. It spelled out how the whole service structure was supposed to operate, and the relationship of the parts. It explained the spiritual principles that undergirded the structure. It provided answers to nearly every question about service.

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However, the text of the Twelve Concepts was hard reading. One trustee confessed, "I keep the booklet by my bedside, because reading it always puts me to sleep." For a decade, the average A.A. member - even the average member in service was scarcely aware of the Concepts, much less a student of them.

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Gradually, the worth of the Concepts came to be recognized. Word spread from service sponsor to service sponsee that here was the cornerstone of the Third Legacy must reading for all. At assemblies, conferences and other service meetings, workshops on the Concepts, once deserted, became crowded.

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So, about five years ago, one of the Conference areas suggested that if the Concepts could be explained more simply and illustrated, it would be most helpful. When the proposal reached the trustees¡¯ Literature Committee, they discussed it long and earnestly and then threw up their hands. The Concepts, they felt, were too lengthy, too complex, too hard to wade through to lend themselves to "light" illustrations. It couldn¡¯t be done!

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But the area which had originated the idea refused to give up. They persisted, and enlisted the support of their regional trustee. The upshot was that this time the proposal was forwarded to the 1984 General Service Conference, which recommended that an illustrated pamphlet of the Twelve Concepts be prepared. Never mind that it "couldn¡¯t be done"!

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So the General Service Office engaged a cartoonist to prepare trial drawings of Concept I. To everyone¡¯s surprise, the rough drawings he produced turned out to be clear, incisive and amusing. Right on target! The trustees¡¯ Literature Committee was delighted and gave a go-ahead. A delay of several months ensued. The cartoonist finally came back and declared it was too difficult a job for him. Maybe the people were right who said it couldn¡¯t be done!

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The project then lay fallow for about a year, and the failure to complete it was reported with "regret" to the 1985 Conference.

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A few months later, a new approach was decided on. A writer with long service experience was assigned to prepare a simplified and popularized text for such a pamphlet, and then to suggest how this text might be illustrated. This approach worked. Even then, G.S.O. had to go through two more artists to arrive at exactly the right style and appeal

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The resulting "Twelve Concepts Illustrated" was finally approved enthusiastically by the 1986 General Service Conference, and is now available from G.S.O. or your local intergroup. The same size and format as the pamphlet "Twelve Traditions Illustrated," it runs 28 pages and is priced at 300 each. The pamphlet is intended as an illustrated introduction to the Twelve Concepts. If it is answers or guidance the reader is seeking, he or she should go to the Concepts in their full form.

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It could be done, after all!


Be Kind Wherever Possible!!!
Even No One Is Looking!!!
(((((((((((((((and it is))))))))))))))
Always Possible Everywhere!!!
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Re: Bill W Number of treatments

 

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I just read Bill W my first 40 yrs and he himself from his own words described 4 visits¡­He also says he met Dr Silkworth on that first visit. We know Bill isnt a good historian but also guves the time frame of 1, 2, and 3. ??
I also checked Not God and Ernest went with 4 from whatever his sources were.?
In discussing with Bill Schaberg and listening to his recordings he says only a total of 3..

Gene

On Apr 2, 2023, at 9:19 AM, r j <rajanjaspal@...> wrote:

?Hi guys.

I am querying whether Bill got permanently sober during his 3rd or 4th visit to Towns hospital.

Dr Silkworth on pg XXV of BB says:

¡®In the course of his THIRD treatment he acquired certain ideas¡­¡¯

However, in the book ¡®Pass It On¡¯, FOUR visits are described:
1. Autumn 1933 (pg 100)
2. Summer 1934 (pg 106)
3. Mid-summer 1934 (pg 108)
4. December 11 1934 (pg 120)

Any insights anyone?

Raj UK

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Redondo Bch Ca


Re: Bill W Number of treatments

 

A perennial question!! I have always gone with 4 which is what Arthur S. says in his documented timeline:
<<1933 - Autumn, Bill W was quite literally drinking himself to death. In desperation, Lois, now earning $22.50 a week at Macys ($410 today) turned to her brother-in-law Dr Leonard V Strong, who arranged, and paid for, Bill¡¯s first admission to Towns Hospital. Bill was subjected to the ¡°belladonna cure¡± which involved ¡°purging and puking¡± aided by castor oil. Belladonna, a hallucinogen, was used to ease the symptoms of alcohol withdrawal. (PIO 98-101, LR 85, BW-40 104, NG 14-15, 310, BW-FH 50, BW-RT 174)>> ALSO I found<<A year later, in 1933, Bill W. entered Towns Hospital for the first time.? Markings Vol. 25 ? No. 1 ¡ª September - October 2005>>

1934 - July (?), Bill W¡¯s second admission to Towns Hospital (again paid for by Dr Strong). Dr Silkworth explained the obsession and allergy of alcoholism to Bill but he started drinking again almost immediately upon discharge. He was unemployable, $50,000 in debt ($890,000 today) suicidal and drinking around the clock. (AACOA 52, PIO 106-108, BW-40 114-117, NG 15, 310, BW-FH 50-55)

1934 - September 17, Bill W¡¯s third admission to Towns Hospital (again paid by Dr Strong). Dr Silkworth pronounced Bill as hopeless and informed Lois that Bill would likely have to be committed. Bill left the hospital a broken man and sheer terror kept him sober. He found some work on Wall St, which restored his shattered confidence. (PIO 106-109, LR 87, AACOA vii, 56, BW-RT 176-177, NG 15, 310, BW-FH 4-5, 54-55)

And of course

1934 - December 11, Bill (age 39) decided to go back to Towns Hospital and had his last drink (four bottles of beer purchased on the way). His mother Emily paid the hospital bill. (AACOA 61-62, LOH 197, RAA 152, NG 19, 311, NW 23, PIO 119-120, GB 31, BW-40 104).

BUT SINCE THERE IS ALWAYS DISCUSSION, I checked with GSO Archives and this was the response:

<<Hello and greetings from the General Service Office Archives of Alcoholics Anonymous. I am writing in response to your emails from November 23 and 24, 2022, regarding Bill W. and Towns Hospital.

First, you wanted to know the number of times Bill W. was hospitalized at Towns Hospital. Based on our history book Pass It On, it seems that Bill W. was hospitalized there four separate times.>>

Of course,?Pass It On is not always historically correct but there is what Arthur S. (with all of the documentation that he provides) and Archives say.

I hope this helps

jim


1934 - ?man an


On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 11:19?AM r j <rajanjaspal@...> wrote:
Hi guys.

I am querying whether Bill got permanently sober during his 3rd or 4th visit to Towns hospital.

Dr Silkworth on pg XXV of BB says:

¡®In the course of his THIRD treatment he acquired certain ideas¡­¡¯

However, in the book ¡®Pass It On¡¯, FOUR visits are described:
1. Autumn 1933 (pg 100)
2. Summer 1934 (pg 106)
3. Mid-summer 1934 (pg 108)
4. December 11 1934 (pg 120)

Any insights anyone?

Raj UK


Bill W Number of treatments

r j
 

Hi guys.

I am querying whether Bill got permanently sober during his 3rd or 4th visit to Towns hospital.

Dr Silkworth on pg XXV of BB says:

¡®In the course of his THIRD treatment he acquired certain ideas¡­¡¯

However, in the book ¡®Pass It On¡¯, FOUR visits are described:
1. Autumn 1933 (pg 100)
2. Summer 1934 (pg 106)
3. Mid-summer 1934 (pg 108)
4. December 11 1934 (pg 120)

Any insights anyone?

Raj UK


THE ELUSIVE ORIGINS OF THE SERENITY PRAYER¡­..

 

I don't know when this was written, but AA has been using the Serenity Prayer for longer than fifty years.

The prayer has been an interest of mine since I came into AA in the early 1990s.? Niebuhr's daughter, since deceased, wrote a book on it, "The Serenity Prayer," in which she confirms her mother's take on the authorship of it.? I would note in the discussion of the prayer in this post no mention is made of the second verse that so often accompanies the first verse.? I can find in my research no reference to the second verse before the 1950s, so it was a later addition, not an original part of the prayer.

I don't know if most people are aware that two versions of the prayer are in the 12&12.? The first on p. 41 in Step Three and the second on p. 125 in Step Twelve.? The differences between the two versions are that the one on p. 41 uses first person singular pronouns and the version on p. 125 uses first person plural pronouns.? These versions are the official AA versions as it is they that appear in Conference Approved Literature.? My favorite version is the original one that starts, "God, give us grace . . ."

This is an excellent article and I appreciate the effort put into producing it.

Tommy H
Danville, KY