Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
That part of page
164 is one of my favorites and I also think your friend was
right.
On 12/23/2020 10:41 AM, william
schaberg wrote:
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As
noted in my recent book, “Bill’s Story” – which was written 6
months before the Steps were first put down on paper –
mentions most of the 12 Steps in the description of his own
recovery.
?
On
Monday, the reading for our Zoom meeting was from “A Vision
for You” – and one of our more perceptive members commented
that he could see most of the 12 Steps in this reading also.
?
I
found this fascinating because – as far as I can tell from the
archival evidence – this chapter was also written prior to the
day Bill Wilson first wrote out the 12 Steps in early December
of 1938.
?
While
some of my “assignment” of individual Steps to the final
paragraphs of “A Vision For You” below may seem like a bit of
a stretch, I think my friend was right… most of them are
right there in reading:
?
A VISION FOR
YOU:
?
Our
book is meant to be suggestive only.
We
realize we know only a little. [7]
God
will constantly disclose more to you and to us. [3 & 6]
Ask
Him in your morning meditation [11]
what
you can do each day for the man who is still sick. [12b]
The
answers will come, [11]
if your own house is in order. [10]
But
obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got. ?[1?]
See
to it that your relationship with Him is right, [2, 3 & 12a]
and
great events will come to pass for you [12a]
and countless others. [12b]
This
is the Great Fact for us.
?
Abandon
yourself to God as you understand God. [2 & 3]
Admit
your faults to Him and to your fellows. [4 & 5]
Clear
away the wreckage of your past. [6, 7, 8, 9]
Give
freely of what you find [12b]
and join us.
We
shall be with you in the Fellowship of the spirit, [12a]
and
you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of
Happy Destiny. [12c]
?
May
God bless you and keep you--until then. [3]
?
Who
knew?
Bill Schaberg
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
This has been in my book for many, many years also.
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File /Articles/Ninety Day Trial Grapevine January 1959.pdf uploaded
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:From the AA Grapevine, Volume 15, Number 8, January 1959: "90 Day Trial" - part of a series of "Beginners' Meetings" that ran as a series in the Grapevine. A strong case can be made that this is where the now quite popular idea of attending "90 meetings in 90 days" came from.
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The Little Flowers of St. Francis, 1910 translation. When Bill W. was in Towns Hospital for the 4th and final time, he was given two books. One was "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and the other, a copy of this (edition unknown). This is a copy of the --1910-- translation of this famous work.
The following files have been uploaded to
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The Little Flowers of St. Francis, 1930's translation. When Bill W. was in Towns Hospital for the 4th and final time, he was given two books. One was "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and the other, a copy of this (edition unknown). This is a copy of a translation of this famous work dating back to the 1930s (the time period that Bill got sober. Perhaps it was this translation that he read?).
The following files have been uploaded to
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The Little Flowers of St. Francis, 1958 translation. When Bill W. was in Towns Hospital for the 4th and final time, he was given two books. One was "The Varieties of Religious Experience" and the other, a copy of this (edition unknown). This is a copy of the --1958-- translation of this famous work.
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
I noticed that decades ago! The person who took me through the book pointed it out close to what you numbered. My thoughts now after reading WTBB is that Bill W probably edited several parts of the book to reflect steps. ?Yes Page 179/164 was written before the steps it could have been edited several times. ?Since no earlier versions survived from then we will never know. ? ?Gene
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On Dec 23, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Jim <jimincancun@...> wrote:
? Although I clearly see the 12 steps in your explanations of Bill's Story--and the original versions, finding them on page 164 seems like a stretch to me to find something that isn't there and avoid seeing what is really there. I know page?164 isn't the favorite of many. But this is like looking for an Archer in the stars in the night sky. Seems really forced. Reminds me of a quote that I love from your book. "Memory often remembers what the present wants to hear."? As in we see what we want to see. I do think they are "a bit of a stretch." in this text....Just my opinion of course.
jim On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM william schaberg < bill@...> wrote: As noted in my recent book, “Bill’s Story” – which was written 6 months before the Steps were first put down on paper – mentions most of the 12 Steps in the description of his own recovery.
?
On Monday, the reading for our Zoom meeting was from “A Vision for You” – and one of our more perceptive members commented that he could see most of the 12 Steps in this reading also.
?
I found this fascinating because – as far as I can tell from the archival evidence – this chapter was also written prior to the day Bill Wilson first wrote out the 12 Steps in early December of 1938.
?
While some of my “assignment” of individual Steps to the final paragraphs of “A Vision For You” below may seem like a bit of a stretch, I think my friend was right… most of them are right there in reading:
?
A VISION FOR YOU:
?
Our book is meant to be suggestive only.
We realize we know only a little. [7]
God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. [3 & 6]
Ask Him in your morning meditation [11]
what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. [12b]
The answers will come, [11] if your own house is in order. [10]
But obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got. ?[1?]
See to it that your relationship with Him is right, [2, 3 & 12a]
and great events will come to pass for you [12a] and countless others. [12b]
This is the Great Fact for us.
?
Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. [2 & 3]
Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows. [4 & 5]
Clear away the wreckage of your past. [6, 7, 8, 9]
Give freely of what you find [12b] and join us.
We shall be with you in the Fellowship of the spirit, [12a]
and you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny. [12c]
?
May God bless you and keep you--until then. [3]
?
Who knew?
Bill Schaberg
--
Eugene Lane
Redondo Bch Ca
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
Although I clearly see the 12 steps in your explanations of Bill's Story--and the original versions, finding them on page 164 seems like a stretch to me to find something that isn't there and avoid seeing what is really there. I know page?164 isn't the favorite of many. But this is like looking for an Archer in the stars in the night sky. Seems really forced. Reminds me of a quote that I love from your book. "Memory often remembers what the present wants to hear."? As in we see what we want to see. I do think they are "a bit of a stretch." in this text....Just my opinion of course.
jim
On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM william schaberg < bill@...> wrote: As noted in my recent book, “Bill’s Story” – which was written 6 months before the Steps were first put down on paper – mentions most of the 12 Steps in the description of his own recovery.
?
On Monday, the reading for our Zoom meeting was from “A Vision for You” – and one of our more perceptive members commented that he could see most of the 12 Steps in this reading also.
?
I found this fascinating because – as far as I can tell from the archival evidence – this chapter was also written prior to the day Bill Wilson first wrote out the 12 Steps in early December of 1938.
?
While some of my “assignment” of individual Steps to the final paragraphs of “A Vision For You” below may seem like a bit of a stretch, I think my friend was right… most of them are right there in reading:
?
A VISION FOR YOU:
?
Our book is meant to be suggestive only.
We realize we know only a little. [7]
God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. [3 & 6]
Ask Him in your morning meditation [11]
what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. [12b]
The answers will come, [11] if your own house is in order. [10]
But obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got. ?[1?]
See to it that your relationship with Him is right, [2, 3 & 12a]
and great events will come to pass for you [12a] and countless others. [12b]
This is the Great Fact for us.
?
Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. [2 & 3]
Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows. [4 & 5]
Clear away the wreckage of your past. [6, 7, 8, 9]
Give freely of what you find [12b] and join us.
We shall be with you in the Fellowship of the spirit, [12a]
and you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny. [12c]
?
May God bless you and keep you--until then. [3]
?
Who knew?
Bill Schaberg
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Wish there was a project like this too! Pass it On has some nice information as well on the 12 & 12. Starts on page 351.?
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Another Early Version of the Steps?
As noted in my recent book, “Bill’s Story” – which was written 6 months before the Steps were first put down on paper – mentions most of the 12 Steps in the description of his own recovery.
?
On Monday, the reading for our Zoom meeting was from “A Vision for You” – and one of our more perceptive members commented that he could see most of the 12 Steps in this reading also.
?
I found this fascinating because – as far as I can tell from the archival evidence – this chapter was also written prior to the day Bill Wilson first wrote out the 12 Steps in early December of 1938.
?
While some of my “assignment” of individual Steps to the final paragraphs of “A Vision For You” below may seem like a bit of a stretch, I think my friend was right… most of them are right there in reading:
?
A VISION FOR YOU:
?
Our book is meant to be suggestive only.
We realize we know only a little. [7]
God will constantly disclose more to you and to us. [3 & 6]
Ask Him in your morning meditation [11]
what you can do each day for the man who is still sick. [12b]
The answers will come, [11] if your own house is in order. [10]
But obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got. ?[1?]
See to it that your relationship with Him is right, [2, 3 & 12a]
and great events will come to pass for you [12a] and countless others. [12b]
This is the Great Fact for us.
?
Abandon yourself to God as you understand God. [2 & 3]
Admit your faults to Him and to your fellows. [4 & 5]
Clear away the wreckage of your past. [6, 7, 8, 9]
Give freely of what you find [12b] and join us.
We shall be with you in the Fellowship of the spirit, [12a]
and you will surely meet some of us as you trudge the Road of Happy Destiny. [12c]
?
May God bless you and keep you--until then. [3]
?
Who knew?
Bill Schaberg
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Re: Case IV (Hospital No. 1152) From Dr. Silkworth's Reclamation of the Alcoholic April 21, 1937 Medical Record
The searchable PDF fortuitously yielded this in response to a search for "12&12".
++++Message 6878. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Bill W''s two books on philosophy at Towns? From: MattD . . . . . . . . . . . . 9/16/2010 7:34:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
The two books were the Little Flowers of St. Francis and the Varieties of Religious Experience - - - -
See Message #5955
From "mdingle76" <mdingle76@...> (mdingle76 at yahoo.com)
Re: St. Francis, Bill W., and Alcoholics Anonymous Dear AAHL group: I can't help putting my 2 cents in on the topic of St. Francis and the 12&12 (or AA for that matter). I can't shed any light on the wording of the prayer or the mistaken author of the prayer (I thought it was St. Francis myself till a few years ago). But I thought I'd mention a little about Bill's love for Francis (as told to me by Tom Powers — 12&12 editor/co-author).
Tom said that after Bill had his famous spiritual experience in Towns that Ebby went back to the Oxford Group? telling them about what happened to Bill and asked what he should do to help him. They said bring him 2 books. Many people in AA know that this is when the book The Varieties of a Religious Experience hit the scene, but many people don't know that Ebby also brought Bill another book: The Little Flowers of St. Francis.
============================================= TWO OF THE VERSIONS OF THE LITTLE FLOWERS OF ST. FRANCIS ONLINE ARE: http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/flowers.htm http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ugolino/flowers.html http://www.ccel.org/ccel/ugolino/flowers.toc.html =============================================
It's very believable to think that this event (getting that book at that time) lead to Bill's love for Francis. The Little Flowers of St. Francis has a number of little stories, and many of them telling of sudden mystical/spiritual experience. It is known that Francis had a Bill W. experience (or really the other way around) and then suffered from depression afterwards. Both Tom and Bill were fascinated with the nature and after-effects of spiritual experience (for they both had this kind of experience themselves and they both had years of what we would now be mislabel as "mental illness" that followed). I don't have the book "Pass it on" in front of me but Tom Powers quotes Francis in it saying something like, "After my conversion, I've never been well." Bill also studied Francis on the money front — using the modern day Franciscan virtue of "poverty" for the society of Alcoholics Anonymous. One last thing that Tom said about Bill and St. Francis is that Bill used to say that Francis was the patron saint of the society of Alcoholics Anonymous. Francis may be more important to out movement than we know? Matt D. (AAHL member)
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There are a lot of ways to abbreviate the title of that book. Searching the PDF archive for "12&12", "Twelve & Twelve", "Twelve and Twelve", "12x12" and others yields lots of interesting results and is a good way to go into the rabbit hole that is the archive. There are answers to questions I didn't know to ask. Here is one.
THE ORIGIN OF THE 13th STEP From The VictorValley May 2003 Newsletter.
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The original usage of "Thirteenth Step" was as a euphemism used by the first AA's to signify one's final step into the casket. After practicing the 12 Steps throughout a lifetime, it was said the deceased AA had made the "13th Step" into the grave."
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The admonition on pg. 119 of the "Twelve & Twelve" is an understatement of great magnitude. Certainly the likelihood for newcomers, or those of questionably stable sobriety, who are pursued for (or who do pursue) romantic relationships, is that emotional handicaps shall indeed rise up and cripple them, causing a significant number of them to relapse -- a relapse which can become a "13th Step" death sentence.
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Some 12x12 were printed by Harper and brother. Along with comes of age. I would post a picture but my PC is down. Those books were 50 cents more. Deeper green dust jacket There should be a file on this .?
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I'm slowly working my way through "The Writing of the Big Book". Excellent research.
If anyone is looking for a project,? I'd love a similar in depth dive into the writing of the 12x12.
I've read "Language of the Heart" and "The Soul of Sponsorship" ( Father Ed Dowling's story). But haven't seen anything that pulls it all together.
What I find so fascinating about the 12x12 is that it reflects "18 years of collective experience", not only of how the groups were functioning, but also of how people were struggling to practice these spiritual principal as a way of life.
If anyone knows of a book that has a deep history, let me know. Otherwise, a nudge to all you historians and authors.
In deep gratitude,
Doris R.
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Rowland Hazard died on this date in 1981
 Rowland Hazard ?(Roy)
? ? Rowland Hazard died on this date, December 20, 1945. He carried the Oxford Group message to Ebby Thacher in 1934 which became a vital link to the existence of Alcoholics Anonymous. ??He is mentioned on page 26 ?and ?27 of the Big Book where he was told by Dr. Carl Jung that his only solution to has alcoholic problem was a spiritual experience.? AA lore has it that this meeting took place in 1931. However, dated correspondence infers that this meeting actually took place in 1926—please read pages 17 and 18 of the attachment. ? If interested, this attached article, "Verification of C. G. Jun Stellar Fire: Carl Jung, a New England Family, and the Risks of Anecdote,” ?reveals much authentic information about the fascinating Hazard family. This is the link for future study: ? Bob S ? Robert Stonebraker 212 SW 18th Street Richmond, In? 47374 (765) 935-0130 ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? -- Bob S
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Bill and Lois's sumptuous apartment 38 Livingston St, Brooklyn
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While reading Bill's Story I wondered if the "sumptuous apartment" which Bill and Lois rented during his heyday in the late 1920's and in which there were 'many unhappy scenes" still stood.
I searched the word document of the rescued Yahoo group posts and found the address, 38 Livingston Street, Brooklyn.? The apartment building does still stand. It is a cooperative and according to
It was built in 1914 and has an elevator. It contains 24 units and is 6 stories tall. In 2019 a 2 Br 1 Bth went for $1200 per square foot. In April of 2020 a 1 BR 1 Bth went for $986 a square foot.? I could not find information on taxes or the amount due the co-op.
A 2004 archived post states that in 1927 Bill rented a 3 room (would that be a 1 bedroom?) apartment and then rented the place next door to combine the apartments. A post in 2012 states he rented it after their return from Cuba in the summer of 1927 when Bill drinking interfered with his investigation of the Cuban Sugar Company.
The apartment is literally around the corner from Lois' parents brownstone on 182 Clinton. From the map it looks like it would have been an easy commute to Wall Street.? A couple of apartments and interior pictures come up in a google search. I don't know the standard for Brooklyn. But they look nice enough to me, though I'm not sure if I would call it sumptuous.
In 2012 someone asked what floor the apartment was on but did not receive an answer as far as I can tell.
Does anyone in the group have other information about the apartment, its history? I know that this information is not new to many of you, but it is new to me.
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Thank you for this great resource. If anyone in the Indianapolis area is familiar with a Jim McC. who left Indianapolis and moved to Louisville KY for a job. He started the first A.A. group in Kentucky. I would love to trace any more information about him. He would have been an early member of the Indianapolis group that started in 1940.
Thank you,
Roger Wheatley
roger.a.wheatley@...
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Re: File /Historical Recordings/Frankie_L._from_Balitmore,_MD_-_The_Traditions.mp3 uploaded
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I knew Frank, he was something, that's for sure. A group of AA's chartered a bus to go to Founders Day in 80' or 81', and Frank provided endless entertainment on the way up and back! He told me how to always remember the four absolutes by saying HULP, Honesty, Unselfishness, Love & Purity. Certainly didn't agree with everything he said (and did) but he was a tireless 12th Stepper and had so much energy he made coffee nervous!
-Mike M.
Brunswick, MD
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Placed into your folder in our files section. Thanks, as always, Bob! Your work is amazing.?
Best,
Thom
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Some AA History Group members may find the following book of interest: ? Early Indianapolis History ? Bob S ? ? Robert Stonebraker 212 SW 18th Street Richmond, In? 47374 (765) 935-0130 ? ? -- Bob S
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Frankie L. from Baltimore Maryland speaking on the Traditions. I am not sure of the date, but I do know that he was a sponsee of Clarence Snyder, founder of AA in Cleveland, OH.
Frankie pulls no punches in this talk. Be warned. ;)
This is a fun talk.
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Ebby in Exile, 2014 copy. Not 100% sure how it differs yet from the other one I uploaded, no time to look yet. But if you want to compare them? :) Or maybe Bob can enlighten us on which is more recent? This is some very good work!
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