Re: Dr BoB in the employ of a large manufacturing concern
#billandbob
Hello
" ¡°My Son the Doctor? No, I Don¡¯t Think So!¡±¡°When it came to things he really wanted, Bob was hardworking. He was
also ambitious, and he wanted to become a medical doctor like his maternal
grandfather.?For some reason we have never learned, his mother opposed
this quite strongly.?He had no choice but to get a job.¡±?(Good
Oldtimers, p. 24)?He became a salesman for Fairbanks Morse, a St.
Johnsbury manufacturer of platform scales.?The future doctor was
uninspired by ¡°heavy hardware,¡± and was not particularly successful.?Weekends
were spent bingeing.?After two years, a change of companies took him to
Montreal, and then to Boston." Bob K.  jim
Hello All & Happy New Year
In Doctor Bob's Nightmare, (p166/177 in my 4th edition), he talks about being 'in the employ of a large manufacturing concern, selling railway supplies, gas engines of all sorts, and many other items of heavy hardware'.
I wondered, if anyone had any further information on what the name of this 'concern' was and any other info which may be pertinent ?
Raj in the United Kingdom
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Dr BoB in the employ of a large manufacturing concern
#billandbob
Hello All & Happy New Year
In Doctor Bob's Nightmare, (p166/177 in my 4th edition), he talks about being 'in the employ of a large manufacturing concern, selling railway supplies, gas engines of all sorts, and many other items of heavy hardware'.
I wondered, if anyone had any further information on what the name of this 'concern' was and any other info which may be pertinent ?
Raj in the United Kingdom
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Wishing you all a very happy new year!!! Here's to 2021! 2020 wasn't so bad. I married my love and he got sober!! It's all about perspective. ?
Tiffany?
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 5:40 PM Joe Monda < jmonda@...> wrote:
many thanks for all you have done.? I'm sure it
helps you to keep you sober.? It helps me.? What would Bill and Bob
say?? Bill would? have marveled, and waxed eloquent.? Bob would
have said let's keep it simple.?
Joe
2021. We thought it would never get here and yet, we made
it!? And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's
existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it
over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created
AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed
and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when
Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially
with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this
awesome platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed
4,300 members!) continue to flourish. I knew, when I took over AAHL, that
even though this () platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo
groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want
access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it"
rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is
why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus
and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose
both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score!
:) There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021.
You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone
wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and
documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to
host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of
months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that
date. Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much
of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I
can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an
ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so
much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute. Oh and of
course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the
transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it
is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this
done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable
this time! The point I am trying to make is that even though there are
some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are
trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being
and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and
sharing of AA historical research material on the internet. We cooperate
with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and
everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA
History. Happy New Year!?Best, Thom
R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected]?and AAHL@Facebook? thomr@021092@
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many thanks for all you have done.? I'm sure it
helps you to keep you sober.? It helps me.? What would Bill and Bob
say?? Bill would? have marveled, and waxed eloquent.? Bob would
have said let's keep it simple.?
Joe
2021. We thought it would never get here and yet, we made
it!? And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's
existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it
over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created
AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed
and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when
Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially
with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this
awesome groups.io platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed
4,300 members!) continue to flourish. I knew, when I took over AAHL, that
even though this (groups.io) platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo
groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want
access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it"
rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is
why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus
and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose
both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score!
:) There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021.
You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone
wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and
documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to
host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of
months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that
date. Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much
of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I
can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an
ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so
much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute. Oh and of
course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the
transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it
is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this
done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable
this time! The point I am trying to make is that even though there are
some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are
trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being
and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and
sharing of AA historical research material on the internet. We cooperate
with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and
everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA
History. Happy New Year!?Best, Thom
R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected]?and AAHL@Facebook? thomr@021092@...
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Thank you Thom, for taking on this epic task.
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On 2021-01-01 07:15, Mickey M wrote:
Happy New Year!!??? Mickey M On December 31, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Wayne Rudisill < wayne@...> wrote: Thank you for your service. ?I appreciate all your hard work. wayne On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 9:18 PM Thom R. < thomr021092@...> wrote:
2021.
We thought it would never get here and yet, we made it!
And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this awesome groups.io platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed 4,300 members!) continue to flourish.
I knew, when I took over AAHL, that even though this (groups.io) platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it" rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score! :)
There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021. You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that date.
Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute.
Oh and of course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable this time!
The point I am trying to make is that even though there are some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and sharing of AA historical research material on the internet.
We cooperate with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA History.
Happy New Year!
Best,
Thom R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected] and AAHL@Facebook
thomr@021092@...
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Happy New Year??
Happy 20th Anniversary of AAHL??
Much Love For The Service.....??
Learning of AA History is increasing my Joy, Happiness & Gratityde towards life & mankind...??
Kesavan C (K7) From INDIA With
Much Love & (((((((((((HUGS))))))))) to you all?
HG:- RECOVERY GROUP @ CHENNAI, INDIA
We meet on every Tuesdsy Night 7 - 8:30
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Happy New Year!!???
Mickey M
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On December 31, 2020, at 11:30 PM, Wayne Rudisill <wayne@...> wrote: Thank you for your service. I appreciate all your hard work. wayne On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 9:18 PM Thom R. <thomr021092@...> wrote:
2021.
We thought it would never get here and yet, we made it!
And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this awesome groups.io platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed 4,300 members!) continue to flourish.
I knew, when I took over AAHL, that even though this (groups.io) platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it" rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score! :)
There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021. You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that date.
Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute.
Oh and of course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable this time!
The point I am trying to make is that even though there are some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and sharing of AA historical research material on the internet.
We cooperate with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA History.
Happy New Year!
Best,
Thom R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected] and AAHL@Facebook
thomr@021092@...
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Thank you for your service. I appreciate all your hard work.
wayne
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On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 9:18 PM Thom R. <thomr021092@...> wrote:
2021.
We thought it would never get here and yet, we made it!
And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this awesome groups.io platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed 4,300 members!) continue to flourish.
I knew, when I took over AAHL, that even though this (groups.io) platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it" rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score! :)
There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021. You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that date.
Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute.
Oh and of course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable this time!
The point I am trying to make is that even though there are some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and sharing of AA historical research material on the internet.
We cooperate with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA History.
Happy New Year!
Best,
Thom R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected] and AAHL@Facebook
thomr@021092@...
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Wishing and Praying for a Hopeful and Happy 2021, Filled with the Joy We have found.?
Times can get rough, but I have noticed a 'Joy' I've received, even in hard times, ?by following you and the way of looking at the World, you have shown me to to emulate.
Thank You, One and All,
Ric in Homestead, Fl
2021.
We thought it would never get here and yet, we made it!?
And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this awesome platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed 4,300 members!) continue to flourish.
I knew, when I took over AAHL, that even though this () platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it" rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score! :)
There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021. You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that date.
Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute.
Oh and of course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable this time!
The point I am trying to make is that even though there are some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and sharing of AA historical research material on the internet.
We cooperate with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA History.
Happy New Year!?
Best,
Thom R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected]?and AAHL@Facebook?
thomr@021092@
-- ¡°If the stars should appear one night in a thousand years, how would men believe and adore; and preserve for many generations the remembrance of the city of God which had been shown! But every night come out these envoys of beauty, and light the universe with their admonishing smile.¡±?
¨D?,?
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2021. We thought it would never get here and yet, we made it!? And so did AA History Lovers. 2021 marks the 20th year of it's existence. From Nancy Olsen creating AA History Buffs in 2001, then losing it over an email issue where she could no longer log in to admin it, she created AAHL, also on Yahoo groups. She then gave it to Glenn Chesnut before she passed and Glenn did a remarkable and incredible job for many years, until 2019 when Glenn chose to give it to me, and I accepted. I am doing my best, especially with Yahoo shutting groups down, to make the migration and future growth to this awesome groups.io platform (and Facebook, which as I write this, just crossed 4,300 members!) continue to flourish. I knew, when I took over AAHL, that even though this (groups.io) platform is amazing and much better than Yahoo groups ever was, a lot of people who are interested in AA History who would want access to us but would want to be more, how shall I say, "entertained by it" rather than to be "academic" about it. I thought and prayed about it and this is why I decided to relaunch on these two platforms. Two platforms, different focus and even angle, yet one Unified group. Now, people can take their pick or choose both and we get to keep this nice and dialed in and academic over here! Score! :) There is a lot being done in the background for release here in 2021. You will notice soon the file bases starting to grow rapidly (and if anyone wants to help with that let me know), We will have not only writing and documents and more but audiovisual material as well. We do have the space to host plenty of it, too. :) We will have to pass the hat again in a couple of months to pay the yearly bill, but we will deal with it when we get near that date. Glenn's daughter, Esa, is also sending me a batch at a time, much of Glenn's archives which I am combing through and will be digitizing (what I can share, obviously some is too personal) and making available here on an ongoing bases. That project will be launching in 2021 as well. And there is so much more, including whatever you all decide to contribute. Oh and of course the missing messages. I do have them, they were badly mangled in the transfer from Yahoo groups and there was no fixing it from them, it is what it is, but they are being pruned, repaired and released in 2021. I will get this done. Then we will have everything online again, all 20 years! And searchable this time! The point I am trying to make is that even though there are some real challenges going on in the world right now, here at AAHL we are trudging through it, coming out stronger and will continue to work towards being and maintaining one of the pre-eminent bodies and groups for the study and sharing of AA historical research material on the internet. We cooperate with everyone, we are always happy to assist and we encourage anyone and everyone to join us and share the love and fascination of AA History. Happy New Year!?Best, Thom R. - Your Moderator and Administrator of [email protected]?and AAHL@Facebook? thomr@021092@...
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
Thank you for sharing Thom. It's fascinating to read your margin notes. I feel like I know you just a little better now, and that's a good thing.
¡ª Peter S. Issaquah, Washington
I'm happy to share. Here you go!
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
Yitzy Rabinowitz here.?
I think that the first paragraph is more of a stretch. I always said that I like the second paragraph and that it's my favorite one in the book, because it has all the steps.?
I'm also not sure why the 12th step is split into three parts, although I understand the intent. I feel that it just complicates things.?
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
I'm happy to share. Here you go!
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
Notes taken. I like how you seem to be writing down comments you hear from meetings. (P.165)
Any chance of posting your pages 59 and 60 and then I promise to quit harassing you.?
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
Thank you. ?
Here the full 164 and the page next to it.
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
any chance you post more pages from your book, Thom. I simply copying your notes into my book. Good Stuff! Thanks!
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
I have always chalked this up to Bill maybe going back and editing those chapters to be more in line with what the 12 steps said. Or, that the "word-of-mouth-program" had already evolved to where the 12 steps could easily be pulled out, and that is how he got them in the first place.
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The attachment and the excerpt below offer two views concerning the AA slogan: ¡°Ninety meetings in ninety days.¡±? I think it is notable that both these comments come from Cleveland. The excerpt ?below goes back to Cleveland¡¯s early AA days to give us a time when the 90 x 90 had its origin. ??? ? ¡°After Clarence talked to me at my home, others would come over and talk to me. They wouldn¡¯t let you in a meeting just by one guy talking to you, as they do now. They felt you should know something about what you were going to hear and the purpose of the program. Then Clarence made me go to the home of one of the newer members every night for 3 months, and they had 9 or 10 people talking to me. Then I had to read the Big Book before I went to my first meeting. As a result, I think I had a better understanding of what they were trying to do.¡± From Doctor Bob and the Good Old Timers, Page 169. So apparently this 90x90 idea began almost 80 years ago. Bob S ? ? -- Bob S
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Re: Another Early Version of the Steps?
This is great, thank you.
"But obviously you cannot transmit something you haven't got." My interpretation is 12a, transmitting the spiritual essence and solution. I can transmit the knowledge, but if I haven't had the experience myself, that's about all I can do. I think an argument could be made for 6,7,8,9--or some combination as well. If I'm not practicing the principles in some aspect of my life where I'm abjectly falling short, I think it's more difficult to transmit that solution, but again, I can transmit the knowledge. If I've righted my domestic troubles or some undesirable character trait, I can transmit that experience. That's a big distinction for me: transmitting a felt experience versus sharing knowledge or some interpretation of our program.?
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Re: File /Articles/Ninety Day Trial Grapevine January 1959.pdf uploaded
#file-notice
Who wrote the January 1959 grapevine article
"90Day Trial"?
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First 164 and More....
Thom R.
Peter S
Bob S