Re: What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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I have always been a little suspicious of much of the accuracy of DBAGOT. And since no one has been able to provide me the name of the author(s) of the book, I’m even more suspicious of its accuracy.?

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Personally I consider DBAGOT the Jimmy Burrell book of AA history. Lots of bluster but unfortunately questionable accuracy.?

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Cheers,

Brian

[Moderator edit: I do not want to derail the thread about principles and if we wish to discuss this book in even more detail I highly recommend creating a new thread. I also realize in this case that starting a new thread without also connecting it to Brian's point would make little sense, also, so I thought I would put this here and if someone wants to create a new thread please simply start one with this article in this comment as the connection/pivot point. In that way, our posterity might be able to follow it more easily.

So anyway, I did find this article that I thought I would share, it's by Dick B.

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Who Authored Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers?

By Dick B.
? 2012 Anonymous. All rights reserved

In case after case, people have played “Ring around the Rosie” with A.A. history without ever doing the research necessary and the inspection necessary to get the real answers.

The A.A. General Service Conference-approved book, DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers (New York: Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., 1980), was published after extensive investigation, some repeat trips, and the not-unusual alteration of meaning by some A.A. editor.

Niles Peebles was engaged to write the biography. Nell Wing phoned Clarence Snyder in Florida and told him that the people in New York simply didn’t know the old-timers and that Clarence did. She asked for his help and sent Niles down to interview him. Niles did so, and on how many other occasions or by what means of communication he gained information from Clarence, I do not know. I do know that Grace Snyder informed me of the foregoing details. I also know that Mitchell K. took almost all of the Clarence Snyder papers from Grace Snyder, promising to return them after Mitchell completed work on a biography of Clarence Snyder. Years went by. The papers were never returned to Grace. And I have her affidavit to that effect.

There are several documents in Clarence’s handwriting in which he proposed to write such a history; but when DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers finally came out, Clarence was satisfied with the results and wound up passing out free copies to those who attended the spiritual retreats he founded and continued. Whether the actual papers in Clarence’s possession would have added to the story of how DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers was written and to what extent Niles collaborated, I do not know.

I do know that Peebles visited Dr. Bob’s son in Nocona, Texas, and wished to interview him on the matter. Smitty asked him if he was going to write anything about his mother (Anne Ripley Smith). Peebles said, “No.” Smitty replied that he therefore was not going to tell him a “damn thing.” Smitty phoned his sister Sue and asked her to do likewise, which she also promised to do. A long time later, Peebles returned to Smitty, said he would write about Dr. Bob’s wife, and an interview was granted.

Now, who else contributed? Dennis Cassidy, a veteran A.A. historian, left me a printer’s manuscript of DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers. It contains the full names of the people interviewed. It contains an inscription indicating the book was written by Peebles. But it also contains other written changes indicating that at least Barry Leach was telling Peebles certain things about the draft. I have that manuscript and have very much tried to have it acquired and donated to “The Dr. Bob Core Library” at North Congregational Church in St. Johnsbury, Vermont–where Bob was born and raised, and where he received his extensive biblical training as a youngster.

This valuable piece needs to be acquired and made public. One A.A. veteran had plans to acquire it but has fallen short of the needed funds. And it sits in limbo.

Just as with The Book That Started It All: The Original Working Manuscript of Alcoholics Anonymous (Center City, Minn.: Hazelden, 2010) and questions it left unanswered about the first edition of the Big Book, the “printer’s manuscript” of DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers may not tell the whole story about Dr. Bob. But it can provide lots of information still being garbled by those writers and historians who have never seen the manuscript, the names, the changes, and how the manuscript stands in relation to book ultimately published by A.A. in 1980.

One thing is sure. There are still people on at least one history site trying to answer questions about DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers without the information about it contained in the “printer’s manuscript” of that book. As a result, they speculate that Peebles got his information in Akron. But many facts—as opposed to guesses—are available within the covers of the “printers manuscript.”

For those devoted to unearthing all the principles and practices of the “old school” A.A. program and applying them in A.A. today, there is no better starting place than the important DR. BOB and the Good Oldtimers manuscript given to me by Dennis Cassidy–who was also a good friend of Sue Smith Windows, of Ray and Ginny G. of Ohio (Ray being the long-time archivist at Dr. Bob’s Home), and of Dr. Bob’s son Smitty and his wife Betty.

Gloria Deo

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Best,?

Thom]

Re: What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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Glad I joined the group. This is deep. I'll go out on a limb here and say that principles are like a theme-summation of the work(s) being addressed.
One of the early Messages from my sponsor was to be kind. Is this a principle? It fits neatly into Humility. A core "principle" of the program.

Re: Clarence Snyder's 12 Steps

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Good morning, Bob.

Thanks for your continuing research and information. They are appreciated. A couple of comments:

1.- Where is the attached quote by Clarence from? How It Worked?

2.- On page 161 of DBATGO it mentions the 93% success?rate of the Cleveland?group.?

Following is a quote from Arthur S. in his writing on AA Recovery rates:?

"The Cleveland area groups essentially “cherry picked” prospects who had already previously achieved recovery and demonstrated the ability to stay sober. They effectively went through a probationary or introductory period before being allowed to attend Cleveland meetings.

Under the circumstances, portraying the Cleveland practices as achieving a “93%” success rate is tantamount to claiming a 93% success rate among prescreened prospects that were already demonstrated to be 100% successful for up to 3 months before they attended their first meeting.

Without an indication of the number of prescreened “unsuccessful” alcoholics who were not allowed to attend Cleveland meetings, the reputed “93%” success rate is so dominantly biased to a demonstrated favorable subset of the prospect population as to be a dubious claim at best."

Your thoughts?

Thanks again?for your service and dedication to AA History

jim?

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On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 1:24 AM Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

Dear AA History-minded friends,
As you may surmise from the attachment, Clarence Snyder had his own ideas about the AA Twelve Steps!? He had the following to say about the huge gap between NY and Akron during the 1940s. Clarence believed the difference between New York and Mid-West A.A. was the approach to sobriety. In Ohio the approach was, “Trust God, Clean House, and Help Others.” Clarence felt that the approach in New York was, “Don’t Drink and Go To Meetings.” Moreover, Clarence thought that if the primary purpose of A.A. were only to stop drinking and, in order to maintain that abstinence, only go to meetings, A.A. was doomed to failure.
Bill Wilson made numerous trips to Ohio to try and find out what they had that worked so well. He spoke with Clarence and with Dr. Bob and attended meetings. He tried to bring back the program of recovery as it was in Ohio to the New York members, but they would not assimilate the spirituality into their brand of A.A.
Clarence provides a very interesting study. I would suggest ~~reading~~ studying the Chapter, “Sudden Growth in Cleveland” ?from DR. BOB & THE GOOD OLD TIMERS. Also, please read page 261to realize the amazing recovery results in Cleveland during those days. ??
Bob S
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Re: What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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Good Morning Ric, and all!

Ric, yes, I see what you are asking about in reference to my previous post. I’m definitely familiar with the principles assigned to each step, but what I posted the other day was an attempt to show that even if we cannot find a definite origin, or source for the beginning of the principles assigned as you delineated above; it may be that they evolved from their various mentions in the Big Book. Below are the notes I have gathered from a few sites as I have attempted in the past to determine the history and various ideas about the Principles:

Dick B, a well known AA Historian, surmises that the principles of AA are derived from the Principles of the Four Absolutes of the Oxford Group, the principles of Sermon on the Mount in the Bible, the Beatitudes of the Bible, and the Ten Commandments handed down to Moses. His reasons is that these are the most obvious sources because these were the items talked about and studied in great depth in the early days of the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous.

Where did The AA Principles originate?

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Principles for the Twelve Steps?

1. Honesty (some say acceptance and surrender)?

2. Hope
3. Faith (some say open-mindedness)
4. Courage (some say is action)

5. Integrity

6. Willingness (some say patience)
7. Humility (some say tolerance)
8. Brotherly Love (some say forgiveness)
9. Justice (some say is discipline)
10. Perseverance
11. Spirituality (some say awareness or unselfishness)?

12. Service (some say love)

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From AA Cleveland:

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The office was recently contacted by a long-timer who pointed out that the following article provides a list of spiritual?virtues?(not principles) that originated from a plaque which was sold years ago and may originally came from a Grapevine article or other AA newsletter. It is known in the rooms of AA that the spiritual principles are the Twelve Steps. To be thorough, the 36 principles are the?Twelve Steps,?Twelve Traditions?and?Twelve Concepts.

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There are many different spiritual virtue lists that refer to the Twelve Steps which have been printed by other AA’s over the years. Although used by many AA members, they are not Conference Approved and the origin of these lists are unknown.

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Bill W. considered each step to be a spiritual principle in and of itself. However, particularly in the 12 & 12, he outlined the spiritual principles behind each step. Some of them seem like common sense, but understand going into the exercise that reading these principles and actually?practicing them in your day-to-day lives?are two entirely different things (and that the latter requires vigilance and willingness).

HONESTY?– Fairness and straight forwardness of conduct: adherence to the facts.
HOPE?– To expect with desire; something on which hopes are centered.
FAITH?– Complete confidence; belief and trust.
COURAGE?– Firmness? of? mind? and? will? in? the? face? of? extreme? difficulty;? mental? or? moral? strength? to withstand fear.
INTEGRITY?– The quality or state of being complete or undivided; soundness.
WILLINGNESS?– Prompt to act or respond; accepted and done of choice or without reluctance.
HUMILITY?– Not proud or haughty; not arrogant or assertive; a clear and concise understanding of what we are, followed by a sincere desire to become what we can be.
LOVE?– Unselfish concern that freely accepts another in loyalty and seeks his good to hold dear.
DISCIPLINE?– Training that corrects, molds, or perfects the mental faculties or moral character; to bring under control; to train or develop by instruction.
PATIENCE/PERSEVERANCE?– Steadfast despite opposition or adversity; able or willing to bear; to persist in an understanding in spite of counter influences.
AWARENESS?– Alive and alert; vigilance in observing.
SERVICE?– A? helpful? act;? contribution? to? the? welfare? of? others;? useful? labor? that? does? not? produce? a tangible commodity.

By Unknown Author

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From Barefootsworld.org

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The AA Principles and Virtues

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I was recently asked where the AA principles came from that I have in my page??--- and as I remember, as they are shown below, these came from a plaque on the wall in the Orange-Olive Friendship Club where I got sober 16888 days ago, Feb 28, 1974, ... and may have come from an article in the Grapevine or the local area newsletter . . . ???

The 12 Steps of AA ARE the Principles of the Program that we practice,?as listed on BigBook pages 59 and 60! Over the years many lists of virtues that correspond to each of the Twelve Steps and their underlying spiritual nature have been printed in local area AA newsletters and on pocket cards.?The origins of these lists are unknown,?although they are used by many Twelve step members.

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The AA Principles and Virtues

Honesty

Step 1. We admitted that we were powerless over alcohol - that our lives had become unmanageable.

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Hope

Step 2. Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.

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Faith

Step 3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him.

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Courage

Step 4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.

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Integrity

Step 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

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Willingness

Step 6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

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Humility

Step 7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

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Brotherly Love

Step 8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

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Justice

Step 9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

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Perserverance

Step 10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

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Spirituality

Step 11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God?as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of his will for us and the power to carry that out.

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Service

Step 12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to others, especially alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

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I went out on the web in search of possible further historical documentation of their origins and found two more listings different from the above ...

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Principles of the 12 Steps

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1. Surrender.?(Capitulation to hopelessness.)

2. Hope.?(Step 2 is the mirror image or opposite of step 1. In step 1 we admit that alcohol is our higher power, and that our lives are unmanageable. In step 2, we find a different Higher Power who we hope will bring about a return to sanity in management of our lives.)

3. Commitment.?(The key word in step 3 is decision.)

4. Honesty.?(An inventory of self.)

5. Truth.?(Candid confession to God and another human being.)

6. Willingness.?(Choosing to abandon defects of character.)

7. Humility.?(Standing naked before God, with nothing to hide, and asking that our flaws - in His eyes - be removed.)

8. Reflection.?(Who have we harmed? Are we ready to amend?)

9. Amendment.?(Making direct amends/restitution/correction, etc..)

10. Vigilance.?(Exercising self-discovery, honesty, abandonment, humility, reflection and amendment on a momentary, daily, and periodic basis.)

11. Attunement.?(Becoming as one with our Higher Power.)

12. Service.?(Awakening into sober usefulness.)

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And another list--

Step 1: Honesty?-- After many years of denial, recovery can begin when with one simple admission of being powerless over alcohol -- for alcoholics and their friends and family.

Step 2: Faith?-- It seems to be a spiritual truth, that before a higher power can begin to operate, you must first believe that it can.

Step 3: Surrender?-- A lifetime of self-will run riot can come to a screeching halt, and change forever, by making a simple decision to turn it all over to a higher power.

Step 4: Soul Searching?-- There is a saying in the 12-step programs that recovery is a process, not an event. The same can be said for this step -- more will surely be revealed.

Step 5: Integrity?-- Probably the most difficult of all the steps to face, Step 5 is also the one that provides the greatest opportunity for growth.

Step 6: Acceptance?-- The key to Step 6 is acceptance -- accepting character defects exactly as they are and becoming entirely willing to let them go.

Step 7: Humility?-- The spiritual focus of Step 7 is humility, asking a higher power to do something that cannot be done by self-will or mere determination.

Step 8: Willingness?-- Making a list of those harmed before coming into recovery may sound simple. Becoming willing to actually make those amends is the difficult part.

Step 9: Forgiveness?-- Making amends may seem like a bitter pill to swallow, but for those serious about recovery it can be great medicine for the spirit and soul.

Step 10: Maintenance?-- Nobody likes to admit to being wrong. But it is absolutely necessary to maintain spiritual progress in recovery.

Step 11: Making Contact?-- The purpose of Step 11 is to discover the plan God as you understand Him has for your life.

Step 12: Service?-- For those in recovery programs, practicing Step 12 is simply?"How It Works."

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From all of the above comes a prime Principle of Alcoholics Anonymous ...?

We have to give it away to keep it!"

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From Friendsofbillw.net

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Bill W. considered each step to be a spiritual principle in and of itself, however, particularly in the 12 & 12, he outlined the spiritual principles?behind each step.? The most important of these is Humility.

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Core Spiritual Principles of the Program:? Willingness, Open-mindedness, Honesty

AA’s Code:? Love and Tolerance of Others

Clarence Snyder's 12 Steps

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Dear AA History-minded friends,

As you may surmise from the attachment, Clarence Snyder had his own ideas about the AA Twelve Steps!? He had the following to say about the huge gap between NY and Akron during the 1940s. Clarence believed the difference between New York and Mid-West A.A. was the approach to sobriety. In Ohio the approach was, “Trust God, Clean House, and Help Others.” Clarence felt that the approach in New York was, “Don’t Drink and Go To Meetings.” Moreover, Clarence thought that if the primary purpose of A.A. were only to stop drinking and, in order to maintain that abstinence, only go to meetings, A.A. was doomed to failure.

Bill Wilson made numerous trips to Ohio to try and find out what they had that worked so well. He spoke with Clarence and with Dr. Bob and attended meetings. He tried to bring back the program of recovery as it was in Ohio to the New York members, but they would not assimilate the spirituality into their brand of A.A.

Clarence provides a very interesting study. I would suggest ~~reading~~ studying the Chapter, “Sudden Growth in Cleveland” ?from DR. BOB & THE GOOD OLD TIMERS. Also, please read page 261to realize the amazing recovery results in Cleveland during those days. ??

Bob S

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_Clarence Snyder 12 Steps.pdf

Re: What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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My 1937 dictionary defines principles as basic truths,laws,standards,qualities,assumptions.or codes of conduct. I always thought the steps were a standard problem solving model which names the problem, the solution, a plan of action to attain that solution and a series of actions to ensure that I stay on the beam throughout my life. I also thought that the principles of AA were exactly as Dr. Bob said, "Trust God, Clean house and help others". Thanks for the reminder to look at this issue.

Jim R. Bremerton, Wa.

On Monday, May 25, 2020, 11:28:08 AM PDT, -Ric in Homestead, Fl <gentlehart@...> wrote:

Thank you Frank,
for your references to where in our literature mentions the word 'principles'. However, here in So Florida, I have heard
members either neglecting the phasology our literature uses by calling the actual Steps, Principes, and then making a statement similar to?
"The principles behind the Steps", usually in an order such as? the principle 'behind' Step 1 is Honesty or Acceptance.
Hope behind Step 2
Faith behind Step 3
Courage behind Step 4
Integrity behind Step 5
Willingness behind Step 6
Humility behind Step 7
Brotherly Love behind Step 8
Perseverance behind Step 9
Determination behind Step 10
Spirituality behind Step 11
and?
Spiritual Awareness behind Step 12 .

If I am to? carry the message Our Texts uses, then I'll find myself sharing principles on top of principles,
and as my initial post defined principle,i.e.?first in order of importance; main, then am I not giving the impression
there are first orders of importance originating out of first order of importance?

After much thought, I consider what some call principles behind steps as really
attributes acquired as a result of practicing the "Principles of the Program".

And my question is where did that phraseology of principles behind Principles originate?

I am not trying to nitpick, I simpe have not read in the literature I have read where the above list is?
given and documented.

Thank you for allowing me to clerafy my query

Happy & Grateful Ric in Homestead, Fl

Re: What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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Thank you Frank,
for your references to where in our literature mentions the word 'principles'. However, here in So Florida, I have heard
members either neglecting the phasology our literature uses by calling the actual Steps, Principes, and then making a statement similar to?
"The principles behind the Steps", usually in an order such as? the principle 'behind' Step 1 is Honesty or Acceptance.
Hope behind Step 2
Faith behind Step 3
Courage behind Step 4
Integrity behind Step 5
Willingness behind Step 6
Humility behind Step 7
Brotherly Love behind Step 8
Perseverance behind Step 9
Determination behind Step 10
Spirituality behind Step 11
and?
Spiritual Awareness behind Step 12 .

If I am to? carry the message Our Texts uses, then I'll find myself sharing principles on top of principles,
and as my initial post defined principle,i.e.?first in order of importance; main, then am I not giving the impression
there are first orders of importance originating out of first order of importance?

After much thought, I consider what some call principles behind steps as really
attributes acquired as a result of practicing the "Principles of the Program".

And my question is where did that phraseology of principles behind Principles originate?

I am not trying to nitpick, I simpe have not read in the literature I have read where the above list is?
given and documented.

Thank you for allowing me to clerafy my query

Happy & Grateful Ric in Homestead, Fl

Re: What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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Good Afternoon,

I know somewhere in my notes I have at least 4 or 5 sets of principles as they relate to each step, and also some interesting perspectives from Barefoot Bob’s site, but in the meantime, I came across this excellent collection of principles as they are mentioned in AA literature from Silkworth.net:

Peace,

Frank F.

What is the origin of "The 'principles' behind the Steps?

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Hello Group, Long time member of this group and very grateful for the facts which have been brought forward to us interested in the origin and sustaining events which has prolonged Our Program and fellowship.

I did a search of the title of this post and was unable to find any references.

Definition of Principle= first in order of importance; main.
Definition of attribute= regard something as being caused by (someone or something).? ?
No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles (The Steps).? ?
The principles (again, The Steps) we have set down are guides to progress.

So, if Our text refers to the Steps as the Principles, when and where did the idea originate of principles behind principles?

I have head that someone from Texas began this phraseology and it caught on,
? but I would appreciate any information from the archivists and historians from this group?

Happy & Grateful Ric
DOS? ?May 14, 1995

Was Bill a mason?

Lark West

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Wondering

Re: AA Manual excerpts

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can purchase from Akron Inner group

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Re: AA Manual excerpts

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Here's the full manual

Dr. Bob_s AA Manual.doc

AA Manual excerpts

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I have attached excerpts and commentary from a 1940s pamphlet: “A manual for Alcoholics Anonymous.”

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Bob S

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Re: An AA historical inexactitude.

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Good work, Bob!

Thanks

jim

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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:27 PM Bob S <rstonebraker212@...> wrote:

Dear AA history buffs,
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I find AA history fascinating—who wouldn’t! However, it has not been engraved deeply into a stone of irretrievable “facts.”? Bill Wilson will remember an event a particular way, but? ?Ebby Thacher remembers otherwise. But then a newspaper explanation will be again differently all together.? Some of us have read about Bill and Ebby’s airplane “ Jag.” As Bill tells it on page 84 of PASS IT ON: “A new airport was being built at Manchester, but no planes had yet landed.” ??Ebby Thacher also reiterates this “first landing” fact, below.? ?
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However, please read the report from the attached newspaper article from THE MANCHESTER JOURNAL and you will find the first landing actually happened about six months earlier!
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Just one instance! To learn of further AA history “inexactitudes,’’ I would suggest reading WRITING the BIG BOOK, by William H. Schaberg.
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Remember: “In our history lies our hope!” We are AA history for those yet to be born.
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Bob S
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An AA historical inexactitude.

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Dear AA history buffs,

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I find AA history fascinating—who wouldn’t! However, it has not been engraved deeply into a stone of irretrievable “facts.”? Bill Wilson will remember an event a particular way, but? ?Ebby Thacher remembers otherwise. But then a newspaper explanation will be again differently all together.? Some of us have read about Bill and Ebby’s airplane “ Jag.” As Bill tells it on page 84 of PASS IT ON: “A new airport was being built at Manchester, but no planes had yet landed.” ??Ebby Thacher also reiterates this “first landing” fact, below.? ?

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However, please read the report from the attached newspaper article from THE MANCHESTER JOURNAL and you will find the first landing actually happened about six months earlier!

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Just one instance! To learn of further AA history “inexactitudes,’’ I would suggest reading WRITING the BIG BOOK, by William H. Schaberg.

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Remember: “In our history lies our hope!” We are AA history for those yet to be born.

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Bob S

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Newspaper article search.

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I am searching for a full ?article from THE MANCHESTER JOURNAL, describing the Grand Opening of the Equinox Airport in Manchester, VT. ?This event took place on July 4^th, 1928.? ?(Six months before Bill and Ebby landed) The pilot’s name was W. C. Billings. I believe I one had this full article but it became lost in the shuffle.

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Thank you.

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Bob S

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Robert Stonebraker

212 SW 18^th Street

Richmond, In? 47374

(765) 935-0130

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Mother's Day, 85 years ago

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Dear AA history-minded friends,

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I have attached three picture-pages of what some consider the most important day of AA pre-history—The beginning of the Alcoholics Anonymous fellowship began the next month after this event on Mother’s Day 1935.? The attached pages are from a 93-page book titled: “A PRE-AA HISTORY BOOK, A Study of Synchronic Events Between Years 1926 and 1935 which culminated in the Birth of Alcoholics Anonymous.”? (This is an expanded version of the 43-page previous book of the same title)

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If you would like a PDF link to this new book, please request from Bob S: rstonebraker212@....?? Of course, there is no charge.

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In grateful service,

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Bob S

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Re: AA Virtual History Tour Zoom

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Thanks! Can’t wait

Theresa Connecticut?

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On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:59 AM, Glenn Krainz <gkrainz@...> wrote:

The Virtual Tour Through AA History attached earlier (Yellow poster) has the incorrect Meeting ID, the last two digits are reversed. Please use Meeting ID?920-2033-9294 (The earlier yellow poster has ID 920-2033-9249 which is NOT valid)

To confirm, the pink poster has the CORRECT Meeting ID.

Re: AA Virtual History Tour Zoom

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The Virtual Tour Through AA History attached earlier (Yellow poster) has the incorrect Meeting ID, the last two digits are reversed. Please use Meeting ID?920-2033-9294 (The earlier yellow poster has ID 920-2033-9249 which is NOT valid)

To confirm, the pink poster has the CORRECT Meeting ID.

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Re: AA Virtual History Tour Zoom

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Cool. Just zoomed in the meeting.?

Small part of that in the 2002. Did all 5 sessions in one day/WBC/multiple chairs. Good stuff. Thanks ?a bunch. john susini

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On May 8, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Thom R. <thombone@...> wrote:

?Eastern time zone so it starts in about 30 minutes from my writing this