Re: ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE - OT
Dave’s real hobby is beating dead horses.? ? Glad to see you added “OT”, I guess Dave couldn’t figure out how to do that (despite telling us how).? Lol. ? I’m pondering making a flip-top bench with my 7x12 on one side and the mini-mill on the other.? Wish me luck, I think I might need it.? (Probably should measure the mini-mill before going too far.) ? Tony ? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ellis Cory via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2025 8:44 am
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [7x12MiniLathe] ANSWER TO GUIDE RULE - OT? Hi guys. Sorry to come to this a bit late, I have 2 points though. ? * I’m not sure what the problem is, as anyone can add OT to the title, as I have done. So why the continuing debate ??? ? * I am amazed at some of the replies, not only to this but others as well. Where part of the reply is in understandable English and the rest is gobbledygook !!!? I can understand and forgive ?differences where clearly English is a second or third language. But where part of the message shows the writer understands English, I despair. Doesn’t anyone read through and correct any more ? ? ??????????????? Ellis ? ? If rotary table goes a mill it is OT. But if goes Mini lathe it is $&#^$ I guess it depends on if you interested read a about putting on a mini lathe if on topic or off. If do not like what they wrote then? write moderators and say OFF TOPIC and ask to have it delete post so no has anything thing to read.?? The bottom for group to be interesting is have something to read about and better to comment on too. In November of 2023 I finally purchased a mini after reading about mini lathes since 2005. The resoan thinking a mini lathe in 2005 changed by time purchased.? I chose to write about here and gave everyone here some read and write about.? No one goes out buys a lathe every month. My first was a garulatoin present it only down payment on a $10,000 today same lathe cost $80,000 had for over 30 years. My next had for 20 years. The point is most do not go out and buy new lathe very often. So hard for very here to say a lot? .? So we all here need more than jest the mini lathes to talk about or this would a very slow group On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 01:10 AM, Tony Smith wrote: Rotary table is fine.? Way better than whatever this (or your lack of understanding of how motor temperature ratings work). ? Tony ? ? ? What is next thd chuck on the mini lathe is ot On Thu, Jan 23, 2025 at 03:22 PM, Tony Smith wrote: All that blah blah blah, and you still didn’t flag this thread as being off topic. ? Two keystrokes is still two too many for you, I guess. ? Tony ? (Seriously, no-one cares, not even you.) ? ? The first that only want to see mini lathes only. I seen on some? groups it has to what title is only. Second group?arsed or not wanting to make the effort to add OT to help the first group.? Now the owner and moderators are trying to keep group fun and interesting for all. Then dealing with the first group and second group not helping.? A owner and moderators have hard job at times. How mush? can you talk the subject. Some think you only talk about a mini lathes and the drill chuck is off subject.?? So soon or later you will have to go little or more off for slow times? Last year this had a long topic on bikes. It was a interesting topic to read I had nothing to say. The important part it made group interesting for slow time. If look at a few OFF topic I have post here in Tilte I put OFF SUBJECT .? I Like OT Simple hit two keys at beginning? On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 04:55 PM, Tony Smith wrote: Nobody cares so long as it’s not too stupid. ?The moderators will be tired of seeing this stupid crap shortly and tell us to knock it off. ? Lists die because of no traffic or too much stupid crap.? And this thread has definitely hit the latter. ? And you still can’t be arsed to add OT to the subject. ? Tony ? ? ? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: Sorry used html code and change ] I this some type limit off topic it best for and some one complain and others will anything under sun.? I am on some sites that OT is ok and no one goes overboard. They respect the few little rules.? - ?No political?
- No ads
- ?It ok with Any one's Wife / Girl?
- It is ok for any one's grandchildren see it too.?
Sorry forgot No html codes On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 02:47 AM, Tony Smith wrote: When people can’t be arsed to even use OT, they sure ain’t gunna use those either. ? This thread is off topic, look at all the people who could be bothered to mark it OT. ? Tony ? ? ? ? May have few for one for not like OFF TOPIC.? AH? ?for AROUND THE HOME? For I am OK with or without tags. I enjoy read like good old fashione Magazines?
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Re: My new 4 jaw chuck for rotary table
I'm out-I feel that davesmith1800 (if that is his real name) should have been banned by the moderators long ago. I just can't be bothered to incessantly?exposed to that brand of nonsense (what little of it I could make out due to poor English and even worse spelling). Good luck to you all-
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Re: My new 4 jaw chuck for rotary table
Here backing mount ready to drill.
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Note the tape hold in center ?" x 20 use for holding parts in chuck like a draw bar
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Dykem paint on ready to drill tomorrow.?
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Re: My new 4 jaw chuck for rotary table
I have been Facebook since 2005 but Facebook changed in upgrade to 2007.?
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Most ones have are trying make money that why a will walk.?
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I am responding to your question?
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 12:57 AM, Brian wrote:
There's a saying on Facebook, "This isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure. " People got tired with that rudeness and just vote with their feet.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 7:41?p.m. davesmith1800 via <davesmith1= [email protected]> wrote:
Today I machine the pilot for adapter to rotary.?
Here sise of chuck tomorrow I will machine the polit for chuck.?
Note The chuck did not come with screws I had two that fit.
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
Like break down headstock.?
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Looks like my head stock
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 01:55 PM, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle wrote:
Jon, Thanks for your reply
I annexed the detailed drawings of both heads.
About your 1st remark : No, there are no parts in between the bearings. Confirmed by the picture. What is in the middle is a bracket supporting the Hall transducer, the magnet is stock on the shaft.
As per the Arceurotrade dismounting guide, everything seems to me mounted with a press, which is peculiar for me. I'd agree for both external bearing rings and the chuck side inner one but not for the inner one of the opposite side. Otherwise no preloading would accurately be possible. As far I don't fully understand, I won't force and/or heat the housing to unstick the bearings.
I'm gonna go to youtube as you suggested.
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On 29.01.25 17:50, Jon Rus via groups.io wrote:
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There are several gears and spacers between the 2 bearings that have "STACKED TOGETHER" to create a "SOLID" column of material to be squeezed by the adjusting nut.? You have to thin down one of the spacers due to the different dimensions of the new bearings.
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Your wheel bearings do not have a solid spacer between the inner and outer wheel bearings, the lathe does by the accumulation of the 2-speed drive gears and spacers,(do you have a 2-speed lever on the back or direct drive)
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Perhaps search YouTube for "mini lathe angular contact bearing" and reveal this -->? ? <--. Maybe 'click it even'. Good luck on your final answers.q
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Jon, Thanks for your reply
I annexed the detailed drawings of both heads.
About your 1st remark : No, there are no parts in between the
bearings. Confirmed by the picture. What is in the middle is a
bracket supporting the Hall transducer, the magnet is stock on the
shaft.
As per the Arceurotrade dismounting guide, everything seems to me
mounted with a press, which is peculiar for me. I'd agree for both
external bearing rings and the chuck side inner one but not for
the inner one of the opposite side. Otherwise no preloading would
accurately be possible. As far I don't fully understand, I won't
force and/or heat the housing to unstick the bearings.
I'm gonna go to youtube as you suggested.
On 29.01.25 17:50, Jon Rus via
groups.io wrote:
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There are several gears and spacers
between the 2 bearings that have "STACKED TOGETHER" to
create a "SOLID" column of material to be squeezed by the
adjusting nut.? You have to thin down one of the spacers due
to the different dimensions of the new bearings.
(...)
Your wheel bearings do not have a solid
spacer between the inner and outer wheel bearings, the lathe
does by the accumulation of the 2-speed drive gears and
spacers,(do you have a 2-speed
lever on the back or direct drive)
(...)
Perhaps search YouTube for "mini lathe
angular contact bearing" and reveal this -->?
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<--. Maybe 'click it even'. Good luck on your final
answers.
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
Johannes, I began the thread on the group.io web page, dunno what I
did. The message disappeared, I found it in the message sent list.
Please read the following one.
Sorry for the trouble.
On 29.01.25 20:00, Johannes via
groups.io wrote:
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Raymond
??result was like? ?
However, nice lathe.
Johannes ? Lavoll. ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
Most can not tell you why preload came form.
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Do you have any idea???
Most will gusse wrong.
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That why I do not like the word preload.?
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 11:01 AM, Johannes wrote:
Raymond
??result was like? ?
However, nice lathe.
Johannes ? Lavoll. ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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On 29 Jan 2025, at 08:07, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io <pierreraymondrondelle@...> wrote:
result was like
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
Raymond ??result was like? ? However, nice lathe.
Johannes ? Lavoll. ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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On 29 Jan 2025, at 08:07, Pierre-Raymond Rondelle via groups.io <pierreraymondrondelle@...> wrote:
result was like
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
Use seal ball bearing?
On motor they over 20,000 hour of life.?
A good brand is 40,000 hours.?
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At time I put in what had and had shorter life.
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Dave?
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
The word preload is not best in world on any thing.?
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Most will over titeon.??
Some manuals I had said tieon till finger back off one two notch on bearing retain nut and so bear spins .?
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If you over titeon the bearing it will stop? (it needs room for heat expansion).?
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FYI Most mini lathe have a class 1 ball bearing. It better to have class 3 or greater. I found class 8 is just over kill and very costly too
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Re: Dismounting the headstock bearings
PRR, Here may
be some useful information...
On 1/29/2025 10:13 AM, Pierre-Raymond
Rondelle via groups.io wrote:
Sorry, I wrote the message on the web page and i sent it too
quickly. Here's it again :
Hi, I've some trouble adjusting the clearance of the
headstock bearings on my lathe. It's a WBL210 Weiss lathe ; max
Dia 200mm, 300mm between centers, roughly a 8x12" lathe of the
same design as the 7x12 ones.
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The surface finish was not as smooth as expected: even with
shallow pass with slow motion. It was looking like a ~2mm pitch
thread with a very low roughness pretty lower than 0.1mm.
Probably the leadscrew pitch amplified by the gear train and
some play in between the spindle bearings.
Tightening the nut at the end of the
arbor improved the situation but I couldn't manage to
tighten it farther. The bearings seemed to be blocked by
something. The drawing doesn't show any obstacle however.
the bearings are 30206, tapered roller type.
There are several gears and spacers
between the 2 bearings that have "STACKED TOGETHER" to create
a "SOLID" column of material to be squeezed by the adjusting
nut.? You have to thin down one of the spacers due to the
different dimensions of the new bearings.
On to the other hand, 6 months ago I attempted to
troubleshoot the spindle of my milling machine (model? VM18L
from the same manufacturer), ending by tuning the deep groove
bearing clearances. It went the same way as the lathe. But since
I didn't notice any discrepancy, I let it as it was and
remounted the spindle.
Several times, I've replaced tapered
bearings on the wheel hubs of my cars without any extracting
issues. They went well adjusted but not needing any great
force to get them.
Your wheel bearings do not have a solid
spacer between the inner and outer wheel bearings, the lathe
does by the accumulation of the 2-speed drive gears and spacers,(do you have a 2-speed lever on the back or
direct drive)
I assume that the accuracy of a machine spindle being greater
than a car's hub one, leads to a tighter adjustment. But, does
it really need an extractor or is that a specificity of this
manufacturer or even a bad quality level ?
I found some clues on
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The bearings are 6206 deep groove or 7206 angular contact ones.
The procedure uses both an extractor or a press but doesn't
specify the force. I'm puzzled by the fact that I can't manage to
tighten a bit more the nut because, normally, the external bearing
should slide against the shaft otherwise it should be impossible
to adjust the clearance.
Perhaps search YouTube for "mini lathe
angular contact bearing" and reveal this -->?
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<--. Maybe 'click it even'. Good luck on your final
answers.
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Please, may a specialist bring some light over all of this and/or
provide other URL to relevant information ?
TIA
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Sorry, I wrote the message on the web page and i sent it too
quickly. Here's it again :
Hi, I've some trouble adjusting the clearance of the headstock
bearings on my lathe. It's a WBL210 Weiss lathe ; max Dia 200mm,
300mm between centers, roughly a 8x12" lathe of the same design as
the 7x12 ones.
?
The surface finish was not as smooth as expected: even with
shallow pass with slow motion. It was looking like a ~2mm pitch
thread with a very low roughness pretty lower than 0.1mm.
Probably the leadscrew pitch amplified by the gear train and some
play in between the spindle bearings.
Tightening the nut at the end of the arbor improved the situation
but I couldn't manage to tighten it farther. The bearings seemed
to be blocked by something. The drawing doesn't show any obstacle
however. the bearings are 30206, tapered roller type.
On to the other hand, 6 months ago I attempted to troubleshoot the
spindle of my milling machine (model? VM18L from the same
manufacturer), ending by tuning the deep groove bearing
clearances. It went the same way as the lathe. But since I didn't
notice any discrepancy, I let it as it was and remounted the
spindle.
Several times, I've replaced tapered bearings on the wheel hubs of
my cars without any extracting issues. They went well adjusted but
not needing any great force to get them.
I assume that the accuracy of a machine spindle being greater than
a car's hub one, leads to a tighter adjustment. But, does it
really need an extractor or is that a specificity of this
manufacturer or even a bad quality level ?
I found some clues on
.
The bearings are 6206 deep groove or 7206 angular contact ones. The
procedure uses both an extractor or a press but doesn't specify the
force. I'm puzzled by the fact that I can't manage to tighten a bit
more the nut because, normally, the external bearing should slide
against the shaft otherwise it should be impossible to adjust the
clearance.
Please, may a specialist bring some light over all of this and/or
provide other URL to relevant information ?
TIA
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I am responding to your question?
If go not like talking about rules then click MUTE?
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This why some groups just slowly dies.? This is not my thread.?
If buy a mini you talk about what next. Move to a different group or talk or talk about things to do with lathe.
Like Beyond the Mini lathe is what saying today?
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My real thread is on putting rotary table on mini lathe?
Are even reading this thread?
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I would to be talking about my mini lathe / rotary table here and almost no one is talking about .?
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My next thread after I finish the table is wood turning on a mini lathe?
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If we had a few simple rules?
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1) No political
2) No ads
3) It ok with Any one's Wife / Girl friend?
4) It is ok for any one's child/ grandchildren see it too.
5) Must have something to do machine work in the ot
6) Size for a mini lathes and mini shops.
7) No guns
8) Nothing illegal
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FYI? I repond to most threads
Dave?
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 02:14 AM, Ellis Cory wrote:
Hi Dave. Before you question another’s email, please check your own, see below.
It’s a good idea to read through a message before clicking on Send !
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I agree with Pierre-Raymond and I am surprised that the Moderators have not stopped this turgid topic.
Please think about ending it.
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Finally Dave, if you are so keen on following this subject. The answer is easy, set up your own 7x12 group with the rules that you wish to have and leave this group. That way everyone is happy.
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Personally I like the group as it has always been.
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We have members leaving.?
To little to talke about is basic reason.?
Most do not cancel they just not to come back.?
I am doing my part by posting on how adding tooling to my mini lathe.??
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Hi Dave. Before you question another’s email, please check your own, see below. It’s a good idea to read through a message before clicking on Send ! ? I agree with Pierre-Raymond and I am surprised that the Moderators have not stopped this turgid topic. Please think about ending it. ? Finally Dave, if you are so keen on following this subject. The answer is easy, set up your own 7x12 group with the rules that you wish to have and leave this group. That way everyone is happy. ? Personally I like the group as it has always been. ? ??????????? Ellis ? ? ? We have members leaving.? To little to talke about is basic reason.? Most do not cancel they just not to come back.? I am doing my part by posting on how adding tooling to my mini lathe.??
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Re: My new 4 jaw chuck for rotary table
There's a saying on Facebook, "This isn't an airport, no need to announce your departure. " People got tired with that rudeness and just vote with their feet.
On Tue, Jan 28, 2025, 7:41?p.m. davesmith1800 via <davesmith1= [email protected]> wrote: Today I machine the pilot for adapter to rotary.?
Here sise of chuck tomorrow I will machine the polit for chuck.?
Note The chuck did not come with screws I had two that fit.
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Dave?
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See photo
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Now know why see I start on group when was a Yahoo over 20 years ago I think.?
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A very good post letting everyone know.?
GREAT POST ? THANK YOU?
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On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 05:21 PM, Stan Gammons wrote:
Yes.? If you log into the groups.io site to read messages you will see that Mute button to mute the topic.
If one has individual messages sent to your email address, there's a link at the bottom of the page to mute the topic.? You have to login to groups.io to finish that process.? Sorry if I was unclear on that earlier.
Hope that helps.
A couple of comments.? Messages have been a bit low at times.? No idea as to why.? Getting back on topic, I still need to put my HF 93212 lathe back together after making some adjustments to the carriage.? That's a project for a warmer day.
Stan
On 1/28/25 18:56, davesmith1800 wrote:
So all some one has to is press the button in the?Upper right hand corner as shown in photo below.?
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I saw botton but did not know how simple it is?
I has wasted my time try with that button anyone can press
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That sovles all problems some have with off subject just MUTE?
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Thank you again
Dave?
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Yes.? If you log into the groups.io site to read messages you will
see that Mute button to mute the topic.
If one has individual messages sent to your email address, there's a
link at the bottom of the page to mute the topic.? You have to login
to groups.io to finish that process.? Sorry if I was unclear on that
earlier.
Hope that helps.
A couple of comments.? Messages have been a bit low at times.? No
idea as to why.? Getting back on topic, I still need to put my HF
93212 lathe back together after making some adjustments to the
carriage.? That's a project for a warmer day.
Stan
On 1/28/25 18:56, davesmith1800 wrote:
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So all some one has to is press the button in the?Upper right
hand corner as shown in photo below.?
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I saw botton but did not know how simple it is?
I has wasted my time try with that button anyone can press
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That
sovles all problems some have with off subject just MUTE?
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Thank you again
Dave?
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So all some one has to is press the button in the?Upper right hand corner as shown in photo below.?
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I saw botton but did not know how simple it is?
I has wasted my time try with that button anyone can press
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That sovles all problems some have with off subject just MUTE?
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Thank you again
Dave?
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Johannes