Project New type of material
Just plexiglass rod for making game pieces from. First time turning plexiglass? All my life has been metals. Any comments?  Dave?
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Both my 8" HF grinder and my 6" HF grinder shake badly.? The 8" was mounted on a heavy stand and it still ran across the floor unless I loaded down it down with weight...and that was *after* truing the wheels.? During my "rebuild" I found that one end of the shaft is bent (from the factory!) about 8 thou where the wheel mounts.? I'm now trying to get that side down to under 1/2 thou like the other side.? The internal plastic fan blade was also not installed true, but that was an easy fix.
The problem with *only* squaring up the shoulders where the washers mount is that they're really thin, like 15 thou high if I remember correctly.? The tip from the Harold Hall book was to mount larger collars on the shaft to have something more substantial for the washers to rest against.? Great that you got yours smooth without having much trouble.
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Thanks for mentioning that.? I had let my sub lapse because I got tired of too many lame projects.? I may re-sub and then hit up the library.
Mike
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This was discussed in the the HSM Article I referenced.?
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The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.
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On May 27, 2024, at 10:07?AM, Mark Kimball via groups.io <markkimball51@...> wrote:
It isn't absolutely necessary to use fluid in an autobalancer.? I've read some build logs that used bearing balls in a grooved disk.? Claimed to work pretty good.? The key to proper operation is to make sure the bearings can move freely in the groove.
Awhile back I bought a cheap HF grinder to make a dedicated tool grinder, based on a Harold Hall design.? I haven't made much progress on that but fully expect it will be necessary to add some kind of wheel balancing system to it.
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"If the Reeves drive ever fails on mine, I'd most likely just replace it with a 3 phase motor and VFD."
That's apparently what Shopsmith has done for their newest machines, primarily to get a larger speed range. I've been into my Shopsmith's Reeves drive a couple?of times for cleaning and lubing, and the main failure point is the belt, which you can replace (though it's not an easy job).
A weak point of the Shopmith is that many of the parts inside are made of aluminum or zinc alloys. That was because to use a Shopsmith in drill-press mode you have to lift the bed and headstock vertically, so they tried to keep the headstock as light as possible.? Logan didn't have that problem, so presumably everything inside is steel or cast iron.
Mike Taglieri?
I have an 11" Logan with a Reeves drive. It is an effective mechanical solution.
I can see why electrical solutions have replaced them. It is quite noisy for one, it also takes up a fair bit of space.
3 phase w/ VFD or a brushless motor is just a better solution, more compact, quieter, less maintenance, probably more accurate speed control and I'm guessing also cheaper.
If the Reeves drive ever fails on mine, I'd most likely just replace it with a 3 phase motor and VFD.
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It isn't absolutely necessary to use fluid in an autobalancer.? I've read some build logs that used bearing balls in a grooved disk.? Claimed to work pretty good.? The key to proper operation is to make sure the bearings can move freely in the groove.
Awhile back I bought a cheap HF grinder to make a dedicated tool grinder, based on a Harold Hall design.? I haven't made much progress on that but fully expect it will be necessary to add some kind of wheel balancing system to it.
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I bought a cheap (19.95) Harbour Freight 6"grinder that shook badly. I machined new washere and?took the armature out and squared up the shoulders that located the washers. Also made new shields from aluminum pans. Runs great and smoothly now!
On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 9:42?AM Bruce J via <bruce.desertrat= [email protected]> wrote: In the Nov/Dec 2022 issue of Home Shop Machinist, there¡¯s an article about building a fluid-balancing washer assembly to improve grinder vibration. ?
'Build the?Slawsher: A?Balancing?Ring for Grinding Wheels by G L Carlson PH.D.?¡®
I've been working on reducing the vibration in my Chinese 8" bench grinder.? Adding collars for the inner wheel flanges to rest against and making new flanges (ala Harold Hall's "Tool and Cutter Sharpening").? I was cursing having only the 1" rest, when I re-found the steady rest mod doc in the Files section.? Did not have a need for this mod until now.
Putting the rest in the mini-mill vise, with the middle slot edge aligned with the left side of the vise, it was just some up and back on the Y to give me a nice opening for my grinder shaft to fit through.? I wound up with a generous 0.885", and I could have gone even further, since I left about 1/32" on each side.? Maybe one day I'll build a larger rest with a nice flip top like many of the Myford guys have.
Mike
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"Wherever you go, there you are." B. Banzai, PhD
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In the Nov/Dec 2022 issue of Home Shop Machinist, there¡¯s an article about building a fluid-balancing washer assembly to improve grinder vibration. ?
'Build the?Slawsher: A?Balancing?Ring for Grinding Wheels by G L Carlson PH.D.?¡®
I've been working on reducing the vibration in my Chinese 8" bench grinder.? Adding collars for the inner wheel flanges to rest against and making new flanges (ala Harold Hall's "Tool and Cutter Sharpening").? I was cursing having only the 1" rest, when I re-found the steady rest mod doc in the Files section.? Did not have a need for this mod until now.
Putting the rest in the mini-mill vise, with the middle slot edge aligned with the left side of the vise, it was just some up and back on the Y to give me a nice opening for my grinder shaft to fit through.? I wound up with a generous 0.885", and I could have gone even further, since I left about 1/32" on each side.? Maybe one day I'll build a larger rest with a nice flip top like many of the Myford guys have.
Mike
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--? Bruce Johnson
"Wherever you go, there you are." B. Banzai, PhD
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He some facts on most motors.?
A 2 speed cooler motor is two motors one is 1725 and the other is 1140 different horse power different torque?
Industry motors that two speed is one changing the poles from 4 to 8 pole.
Typically 1725 to 840 rpm same torque.
They have made motors outside this rule but are uncommon.
DC motors are typically the same torque for most of speed range.?
The low cost may not be same torque like vacuum cleaners?
Dave?
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I have the older Consews on my CNC and grinder:
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On 5/26/2024 11:20 AM, BuffaloJohn via groups.io wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 8:15?AM Jacques Savard via groups.io <jacquessavard=
[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 07:52 AM, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
Consew motors,
sorry but wahat is a Consew motors,
motor
a new word for me
jack 47 71
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ok
I undestend? now
but? it is probaly? low power? about une qaurter? hp pr one? haft? at max
I also a astronomer?
and? we? control? oour? telescope? whit? stepping? moteor? from? washing machine
very powerfull? the? tork? is? at? is? max? all? time? whit? this? kind? of motor?
also? be? able? to? use? it? as? a? diverder??
you ca control? your late? at about? 22 step? per? turn? easyly? and? more? also
jack 47 71
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On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 8:15?AM Jacques Savard via <jacquessavard= [email protected]> wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 07:52 AM, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
Consew motors,
sorry? but? wahat? is a ?Consew motors,
? motor?
a new? word? for me?
jack 47 71
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Jacques, . It is a Brushless sewing machine motor.
Ralph On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 11:15?AM Jacques Savard via <jacquessavard= [email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 07:52 AM, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
Consew motors,
sorry? but? wahat? is a ?Consew motors,
? motor?
a new? word? for me?
jack 47 71
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On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 07:52 AM, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
Consew motors,
sorry? but? wahat? is a ? Consew motors,
? motor?
a new? word? for me?
jack 47 71
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I have a couple of the Consew motors, I have "thought" about putting?one on my mini lathe.
But I have so much to do that I probably will not get around to doing it.
The Consew gives full torque at slow speed.
Ralph
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 3:04?PM davesmith1800 via <davesmith1= [email protected]> wrote: The other part is a mini lathe has very little speed control?
Some have 2 speed and others have 4 speed . The rest of speed control is done with the motor control.??
I am using 1 hp and 1000 rpm just simple.?
The belt on 1000 rpm and 1 hp if turn control to 500 rpm ? hp. At 250 rpm ? hp. At 125 rpm ?hp. The motor stay at same torque?
Hope helps to see why the use a large motor?
Dave?
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One of the nice things about?iGaging DROs , at least?the ones I have, is you can cut them to any length?required, they do not have to hang over the end unless you need the length?to measure travel.
My DROs use TouchDRO which uses a processor with bluetooth. I have never had any problems with interference.
If the DRO is slightly off in mounting you will have tension (twist).
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 4:45?PM Jacques Savard via <jacquessavard= [email protected]> wrote: On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 01:14 PM, Bruce J wrote:
Bruce Johnson
Bruce Johnson? I can? use? this kind? of magnet??
tey came? from? hard? disk positionner?
very? easy? to? recycling? it
also?
about? you? problem of? changing? motor? the other post?
I use a moteor? from a photocopier? ?whit? about 300 rpm? output??
and? I put a? stepping? motor? on? the input? shaft?
like? this? the? stepping? are? vert? powefull??
and? i control? the? speed? esyly? at all? the? rage?
also?
my? next? step? are? to? use a pwerfull stepping? from? waching machine?
tahat? the? dreem
jack 47 71
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I have an 11" Logan with a Reeves drive. It is an effective mechanical solution.
I can see why electrical solutions have replaced them. It is quite noisy for one, it also takes up a fair bit of space.
3 phase w/ VFD or a brushless motor is just a better solution, more compact, quieter, less maintenance, probably more accurate speed control and I'm guessing also cheaper.
If the Reeves drive ever fails on mine, I'd most likely just replace it with a 3 phase motor and VFD.
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I've been working on reducing the vibration in my Chinese 8" bench grinder.? Adding collars for the inner wheel flanges to rest against and making new flanges (ala Harold Hall's "Tool and Cutter Sharpening").? I was cursing having only the 1" rest, when I re-found the steady rest mod doc in the Files section.? Did not have a need for this mod until now. Putting the rest in the mini-mill vise, with the middle slot edge aligned with the left side of the vise, it was just some up and back on the Y to give me a nice opening for my grinder shaft to fit through.? I wound up with a generous 0.885", and I could have gone even further, since I left about 1/32" on each side.? Maybe one day I'll build a larger rest with a nice flip top like many of the Myford guys have. Mike 
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They're rough on their belts; before solid state drives became affordable, they were about the only reasonable way to make a variable speed drive. With modern electronics they're no longer a good option.
Roy
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Several of the larger metal manufacturers used Reeve's drives ,
Logan , South Bend I believe Clausing to name a few .
animal
On 5/25/24 2:16 PM, Miket_NYC wrote:
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I have one on my Shopsmith Mark V. It works well
and provides enormous torque sown low. But I've relubed it on
occasion and I definitely wouldn't call it "simple." The CONCEPT
is simple, but changing the diameter of s rotating pully
requires many parts.?
Mike Taglieri?
i've
followed the thread about changing motors
why do we not see reeves drives with a standard ac motor
i think they're used on some wood lathes and larger mills
i used to work on them for driving positive displacement pumps
they're non-electronic and very simple
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BuffaloJohn