Find a good program is important. The biggest reason I chose Autocad was the metal industry use it a lot.?
Before I started with Autocad 95 in 1996 I purchased TurboCad in 1995. It work great and simple to use.
I stay with Autocad today is know program and all my menus work on Autocad.??
Before cad I did hand drawing since the 1960's.? Hand drawing is very handy in shop for laying out.?
I think more to do is what started with . I found TurboCad is a very good CAD program AKA DoubleCad.?? I had try others CAD programs in the 1980's and 1990's and they just did not fit.?
Dave
PS: I think best CAD is Autocad 95? I Autocad 2000 because it has spell check.?
You find Autocad on Abandon programs on internet.? In 1996 I paid for Autocad 95 almost $600.00
If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey
ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD
drawing program?? What drawings I do are still by hand.?
Mike Taglieri?
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023, 2:21 PM
mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
>>If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD >>drawing program?? What drawings I do are still by hand.?
For Free (or low cost) 2D drawings, qcad? and librecad might be worth looking at.?
Note:? Its been a while since I've used either program: I had a paid version of Qcad Professional that I used for a few simple projects then didn't do any drawings for almost a decade.? By the time I needed to do a few more drawings LibreCAD was available, offered a similar interface, and was included in the linux distro I was using at the time (both work on windows as well).? Since then I've been getting into some 3D CAD design with FreeCAD, which may be worth considering as well, though its learning curve is steep.? The FreeCAD "TechDraw Workbench" is great for taking a 3D part and creating 2D drawings).
Qcad ()??? The free version is (well was back when I used it) had a good set of features.? Qcad Professional ($42 download) offers support for more formats and enhanced drawing capabilities.
LibreCAD ( ) Started as a fork of an earlier version of Qcad, so its interface is similar.? Also available for linux and windows (and OSX, I think).?
There are several good 3D CAD systems that you can use for free
1) FreeCAD. ?This runs on Mac, Linux and Windows. ?It is 100% free and Open Source www.freecad.org
2) Fusion360 is free for personal use but has some limitations but those don’t matter for most people as we don’t own 5-axis CNC machines. ?It also can be run on Mac, Linux (with the help of a virtual machine) or Windows https://www.autodesk.com/products/fusion-360/personal
3) OnShape is free but in the free version your files are readable by everyone.?https://www.onshape.com/en/pricing. OnShape runs on any computer that can run a web browser.
Those are the ones that are free and have a full set of professional features. ?Fusion360 and FreeCAD can do some CAM too and generate g-code for machine tools should you ever get into that. ?Even with limited feature sets, these are all capable of a project as complex as (say) an industrial robot.
To get back on-topic…
Here is an example of the kind of work you can do. with the above (either of them). This is a VIEW-ONLY link to a 7x12 Mini Lathe. ? Play with the viewer controls and rotate it with the “orbit” tool ?and “explode” it. ?Again, most of us will never design a machine this complex, but it is nice to know the tools will never be the bottleneck?
FreeCAD & OnShape are more for 3D modelling than 2D drafting.? That said modelling the part and then generating the drawing is probably a better way to go.
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I use the hobby version of Fusion360, even though AutoDesk don’t really care for us freeloading types these days.? It’s easy enough to pick up from the guides in their Help section (skip YouTube for the moment).? One limit AutoDesk imposed on the free version is that you can only generate one drawing from your model, not a problem for a simple part but a pain for something like furniture.
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I’ve not used OnShape, and FreeCAD hurt my brain a few years back.
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I still use CorelDraw for some drawing work (laser stuff after export from Fusion360).? You don’t want that.
I taught my self Auto cad back in the days when it was on several floppy disc's . I wasn't a pro but I could do what i wanted with it .35-40 years down the road & all those CAD brain cells are in a different location . I tried Freecad but it was a uphill battle for me . I think once I can get over the wall that I was hitting I may be able to try it again . The advantage for Freecad is that it's a open source program , free & will always be . There are always folks workin on making it better & there is a pretty good support forum .
?Another free one is Onshape? . Alot of folks that have been in the cad conversations in some of the groups I'm in seem to use it & like it . They have a free version for us hobbyist's . .
animal?
On 12/2/23 4:58 PM, Miket_NYC wrote:
If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD drawing program?? What drawings I do are still by hand.?
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Mike Taglieri?
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On Sat, Dec 2, 2023, 2:21 PM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
One more comment about a grinder versus a belt sander:
There are things to do with tool bits that a belt sander won't do well, or at all. But they might not be things that a hobbyist does often, if ever.ardeb?
Garden variety tool geometry can be done nicely with a sander, although I think back rake might be a stretch for a sander as you have to work at the edge and off the edge.
And you cannot put a chip breaker feature in with a sander, I don't think.? (A plan "B" could me to use a hand motor tool with a grinding wheel in it.)
And if you need a grooving tool, often done by removing a lot of material for a short distance down one side leaving a cutoff tool-like feature at a specified width, I would certainly want a grinder.
If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD drawing program? What drawings I do are still by hand.
Mike Taglieri
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023, 2:21 PM mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
I put an
electronic drive system on my lead screw but I single point
quite a bit. Well I was when I was selling orifices. And
they have a metric thread. The ability to change from
feeding to threading and back with a few button pushes is
well worth the investment to me. A couple days ago I had to
make three threaded chair inserts for casters. The chair
legs are threaded 9/16 x 16. Yes, 16. Not 12 or 18. I was
easily able to turn the material, single point thread the
outside, drill and tap thread the inside and part the pieces
off. The parts screw into the chair and the casters screw
into the part.??Could I have made them with using change
gears???Of course but with the electronic system I change in
seconds. And it gives the ability to change feed speed on
the fly from .001" per revolution to I forget how fast but
it's awesome being able to tune the feed to what the
material and tool want on the fly. I found 3/4" 12L14 at a
.090" depth of cut and 580 rpm cut like butter at .003" feed
per rev. ? Ryan?
I taught my self Auto cad back in the days when it was on several
floppy disc's . I wasn't a pro but I could do what i wanted with
it .35-40 years down the road & all those CAD brain cells are
in a different location . I tried Freecad but it was a uphill
battle for me . I think once I can get over the wall that I was
hitting I may be able to try it again . The advantage for Freecad
is that it's a open source program , free & will always be .
There are always folks workin on making it better & there is a
pretty good support forum .
?Another free one is Onshape? . Alot of folks that have been in
the cad conversations in some of the groups I'm in seem to use it
& like it . They have a free version for us hobbyist's .
.
If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey
ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD
drawing program?? What drawings I do are still by hand.?
Mike Taglieri?
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023, 2:21 PM
mike allen <animal@...>
wrote:
I put an electronic drive system on my lead screw but I single point quite a bit. Well I was when I was selling orifices. And they have a metric thread. The ability to change from feeding to threading and back with a few button pushes is well worth the investment to me. A couple days ago I had to make three threaded chair inserts for casters. The chair legs are threaded 9/16 x 16. Yes, 16. Not 12 or 18. I was easily able to turn the material, single point thread the outside, drill and tap thread the inside and part the pieces off. The parts screw into the chair and the casters screw into the part.??Could I have made them with using change gears???Of course but with the electronic system I change in seconds. And it gives the ability to change feed speed on the fly from .001" per revolution to I forget how fast but it's awesome being able to tune the feed to what the material and tool want on the fly. I found 3/4" 12L14 at a .090" depth of cut and 580 rpm cut like butter at .003" feed per rev. ? Ryan?
On Dec 2, 2023 at 7:46?PM -0500, ChazzC <chaz-creswell@...>, wrote:
If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey
ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD
drawing program?? What drawings I do are still by hand.?
Mike Taglieri?
On Sat, Dec 2, 2023, 2:21 PM
mike allen <animal@...>
wrote:
Tom do ya know what the RPM range is on that motor ? they don't say anything bout RPM unless I was staring right at it . My math puts that motor at 1.33 HP . Seems like a lot for these small lathes . But I also think our buds overseas have a different way of calculating things than we do . animal
If I remember right, Autocad is one of the pricey ones. Can anyone recommend a good, free or inexpensive CAD drawing program?? What drawings I do are still by hand.?
When looking for my mini lathe I did find a few brands with back
gear 7x12 .
But then cost and weight when up.?
If I had problem needing I had room to put a Bridgeport type back
gear.?
I just machined a back plate for my 4 jaw chuck.?
I turn at a higher speed and had only little belt slipping.? After
putting the problem on this group using molasses fixing the
problem and high speed.?
FYI I do think back gears are good thing but weight and cost is
not.