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Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
John
Hi Frank,
I also turn speed to zero before using any other control. But I am leery of a failure causing the chuck to move while I have a grip on the key, unlikely as that may be. Note that when I inserted the extra fuse and turned the power on with the speed control set to OFF that the chuck went to full speed for a half second or so before the fuse blew -- this is the type of thing I don't want to happen while I've got a grip on the chuck or the work. Also, I sometimes use the tailstock chuck to start taps and noted that the headstock chuck is more difficult to turn if the power is applied even though the speed control is set to zero -- the big red button fixes this too. Like you, I turn the power completely off when I'm done using the machine. This is good practice because otherwise the lathe's electronics are exposed to line transients from passing T-storms, etc. I wired my shop so all the wall outlets are on one wall switch and the radio is a reminder that ensures I turn it off when leaving. During the summer I will pull the plug as further transient protection. Some further news on the FET failure: I removed the shorted FET and tried the unit with the single remaining FET in place -- it works normally, at least for the short term. I assume it won't run too long this way because the FET will over heat. I did add a number of air holes to the case below the FET heat sink and will monitor the temp while awaiting replacement parts. As a guess about why some controllers last and others fail: if the parallel FET's both conduct the same amount of current while ON then the controller will last but if the FET's are grossly mismatched then one will conduct the bulk of the current and eventually fail -- the time to failure will depend on the degree of mismatch. The replacement IRFP460 FET's have a lower ON resistance than the original 2SK790's so they should dissipate less heat under all circumstances (including mismatched device characteristics). Probably, the 460 FET's would survive if used singly although I will install two to ensure long term viability. John --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Frank Hoose <fhoose@y...> wrote: I don't know for sure if it makes a difference, but Idesktop! |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
Richard Albers
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "John" <moran03@e...> wrote:
<Big Snip> Further, I intend to add some holes in the case below the heat sinkI think those holes would just let more chips IN. I don't have any extra holes in there (on my Grizzly 7x12) and have never had a FET fail. Since you will have extra FETs, try it without the holes, first. Just my opinion... RA |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
I don't know for sure if it makes a difference, but I
always turn the speed down to zero before switching direction or turning off the lathe. I have not had a FET failure in over 2 years following this procedure and I use my lathe about 10 hours per week or more. I never use the big red button since I power off the lathe from a power strip it is plugged into when I'm done working with it. Frank Hoose --- John <moran03@...> wrote: Hi Chris, ProductID=1221mini lathes and __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! |
No longer a wannabe
Wednesday I was in Chehalis, WA to have lunch date with a woman I met at a
dance. I told her HOMIER was having a sale there and she was pleased to go with me before we had lunch. We got there about 12:30 and they were still sticking stuff on the shelves. Our first pass through I saw a 7x12 lathe out of it's box. A little later we went by again and they had one in the box, I asked a worker if they'd help me get it in my truck, he said yes so I bought it for $299.99. Somebody put it in my truck, I blue tarped it and secured it and off to lunch. Later I cuddled with her leaving only when she had to get ready to have dinner with friends, as I told her, she is a very attractive lady for a guy with a new lathe to prefer to be with her than getting lathe home to clean and set up. I got home, pushed crap around on my workbench and managed to egt it up and then mounted feet and chip tray. Not much grease on it and that was red rather than the usual black gunky grease I have seen or worse the cosmoline found on surplus military rifles. I was careful to put all the paper towel grease wipers in outside garbage. I haven't turned it on yet, may be a few days. Seems a little silly to buy it since I already have a Unimat (originally bought in 1968) and an Enco 9x20 bought 13-14 years ago, But I wanted it. The only thing about buying it today was I had the pleasure today and I saved the $70 or more UPS charges and instead paid $25 sales tax. I had WLS nearly six months ago, had Lasiks eye surgery 12 days ago. I am starting community college after 35 years away from school, I don't need this lathe but i want it. I am already manufacturing rationales for it, one is my youngest brother is gaving me his 1980 Vanagon, now I have a lathe that will fit in it. I'll likely start out using drill chuck from the 9x20 and adapting things as I can. Who currently has best price on faceplates, 4-jaw chucks, #2MT drill chuck arbors? "Have lathe will travel" is the card of a man.... Anyway, I have a 7x 12 and am pleased. Larry Murray |
Lathe Storage
Hi,
On the subject of storing a bench lathe, has anyone come up with a novel way of having a lathe bench and hauling crate combined. I am thinking of perhaps combining the two features so one can use the bottom of the crate for a lathe bench. Also combining features to make it easier to haul up a set of steps by the single user/mover would be really neat too. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Too_many_Tools |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
John
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately I have already ordered the IRFP460 replacement FET's from an electronics supplier -- they have a minimum $ order so I'll wind up with a LOT of transistors and fuses (in case anyone else runs into the same problem, contact me for a good deal on these items...). Homier is sending a replacement board but it may take up to 2 weeks so I'll probably try to repair the present board in the interim. I found a schematic for the Grizzly 7x12 in the 7x10 group photos section in a folder titled ESC. This confirmed what I had determined from looking at the ckt board: the output FET's are in parallel but they do not use source resistors to ensure equal current sharing. My theory on why my unit failed is that this particular board has 2SK790 FET's from different manufacturers; I suspect that the device characteristics were sufficiently different that they didn't share the current equally causing the device which took the bulk of the current to eventually fail. Others who experience a similar failure might check to see whether both devices have the same manufacturer's logo as a check on my supposition. Also, I had gotten into the habit of putting the fwd/rev switch into the center=off position when fiddling with the chuck, this to ensure that the chuck wouldn't move in the unlikely event of a failure occurring while my hands were in harm's way. I can't decide whether this may have contributed to the failure. Based on examining the schematic I will in the future use the big red button instead of the fwd/rev switch to ensure the chuck can't move -- don't know whether this will help but it certainly won't hurt. Further, I intend to add some holes in the case below the heat sink and to add a spacer to ensure the clear plastic shield is held away from the heat sink so air can circulate past the sink. These holes will also help any metal chips which wander into the electronics enclosure find their way back out. Again, this may not help but it won't hurt. Having had my favorite toy disabled by an electronics failure I'm trying to avoid a repetition. John --- In 7x12minilathe@..., Chris Wood <chrisw@s...> wrote: John:are higher capacity.ProductID=1221 mini mills. 221 E. Walnut St. #110, Pasadena, CA 91101speed. I installed the replacement fuse and , with the speed control inthe OFF position and the tool backed away, the lathe started as if itwas at full speed and the fuse popped again in less than a second.to call me back on Monday. I'm just wondering if this is a commoncontroller which is less prone to failure than the MOSFET types. My ckt boardit allowed speed to be reduced to 12rpm, slower than most referencesin the 7x10 group specify. I did notice that when the speed controlwas in the OFF position that rotating the knob slightly(as alowed while |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
Yes. Zietlowdesign.com should do the trick.
Lee --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bbftx" <bflint@a...> wrote: Leefrom toZietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for theinstallation $250.00.know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis andnothave to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about Iam placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
Yes. Zietlowdesign.com should do the trick.
Lee --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bbftx" <bflint@a...> wrote: Leefrom toZietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for theinstallation $250.00.know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis andnothave to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about Iam placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
Chris Wood
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It sounds like the MOSFETs have blown. We have replacements that are higher capacity. Regards, Chris Wood LittleMachineShop.com <www.littlemachineshop.com> The premier source of parts and accessories for mini lathes and mini mills. 221 E. Walnut St. #110, Pasadena, CA 91101 (800)981-9663 * Fax (626)584-5844 -----Original Message-----
From: John [mailto:moran03@...] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:32 AM To: 7x12minilathe@... Subject: [7x12minilathe] 7x12 Blows Fuses ? My 7x12 which is now 2.5 months old popped its fuse shortly after startup Friday, just as I was beginning a parting cut at low speed. I installed the replacement fuse and , with the speed control in the OFF position and the tool backed away, the lathe started as if it was at full speed and the fuse popped again in less than a second. This is a relatively new unit so I called Homier and they promised to call me back on Monday. I'm just wondering if this is a common problem; my understanding is the Homiers use an SCR based controller which is less prone to failure than the MOSFET types. My ckt board has a sticker with FC250J/110V and the large power devices are identified as K790 -- the board uses surface mount devices except for power handling which are thru-hole. Anybody have more info on the Homier controller? Up until this happened I was very happy with the controller since it allowed speed to be reduced to 12rpm, slower than most references in the 7x10 group specify. I did notice that when the speed control was in the OFF position that rotating the knob slightly(as alowed while OFF) made the chuck would move slightly and groan a bit. Since it seems to be live even while OFF I always turn the wall outlet off after use. John To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: 7x12minilathe-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
John
Check this address, it may be what you want:
--- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bbftx" <bflint@a...> wrote: Leefrom toZietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for theinstallation $250.00.know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis andnothave to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about Iam placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
John
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the info on the FET -- I didn't know what it was for sure. I understand that there is a more rugged FET which can be used for a replacement so I'll talk to Homier about that when they call. Like you, I found the controller worked nicely (until it failed). I've stalled it several times at low speeds (parting mostly) and it just hums -- I quickly turn it off with the pot and release the tool. Since my lathe is inactive anyway I'm taking advantage of the down time to fiddle with some of the suggested mods. I've lapped the gibs/dovetails on the cross and compound slides and they seem a bit smoother now although they were not bad to begin with. Now I'm trying to adjust the backlash out of the cross slide without causing binding, which isn't as easy as I expected... John --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "Mike Nash" <mnfwd2.minilathe@m...> wrote: It sounds like you have the newer (Sieg made) Homier with a mosfettype controller. I have the older Homier with the SCR controller andthese would fail to zero speed with blown fuses.drive and (so far) it has simply "tripped" when overloaded. Turning the speedpot to zero (click) and back on resets it.speed. theI installed the replacement fuse and , with the speed control in wasOFF position and the tool backed away, the lathe started as if it promised toat full speed and the fuse popped again in less than a second. controllercall me back on Monday. I'm just wondering if this is a common onwhich is less prone to failure than the MOSFET types. My ckt board itthe Homier controller? inallowed speed to be reduced to 12rpm, slower than most references wasthe 7x10 group specify. I did notice that when the speed control whilein the OFF position that rotating the knob slightly(as alowed OFF) made the chuck would move slightly and groan a bit. Since it |
Re: Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
bbftx
Lee
Do you have a web address for Zietlow? I couldn't find it with a Google search. Thanks B Flint --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "trainman80005" <Trainman4@h...> wrote: Hi:installation and how to set everything up. It is really nice to now be able tonot have to make a guess by reading the dials and worring aboutI am placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. |
Re: New Member
bbftx
What other machines do you have Bill?
I have a Burke #4 mill to go with my Homier 7x12. One of the most impactful changes I made to my lathe to overcome the "crudities," as you put it so well, was to install a real toolholder. I went with the Series 100 Phase II QCTP, after making the JWE compound mods. This dramatically reduced chatter and improved rigidity. I don't find myself fiddling with those gib adjustment set screws all the time now. (That never seemed to accomplish much!) Next thing I want to do is make some tapered saddle gibs. B Flint --- In 7x12minilathe@..., "bwmsbldr" <BWMSBLDR@J...> wrote: I moved to this list from a similar one that suffered from anthat is focused on the small chinese hobby lath. I have been machiningmachine tools. Bought my HF 7x10 at a garage sale for $100 last year. Ihave added a number of accessories from HF lacking only a four jawchuck. the current effort is to eliminate the play and adjustmentcrudities in the machine and repair it up to optimum condition. FortunatlyBoulder) |
Re: QCTP Mini-Lathe.com
bbftx
Tom,
I looked at your photos. Nice work. I think you made the right move going with 4 screws to hold the tools. I like the height adjustment arrangement you used too. Are those titanium coated carbide inserts in your pictures? I recently got some and have been experimenting with them, but haven't found the right combination of speed and depth of cut to make them work well. What are you doing on steel and aluminum? B Flint -- In 7x12minilathe@..., "tomdoyle123456789" <tdoyle@m...> wrote: I recently completed the Cam Action QCTP project described on |
Re: 7x12 Blows Fuses ?
Mike Nash
It sounds like you have the newer (Sieg made) Homier with a mosfet type
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controller. I have the older Homier with the SCR controller and these would fail to zero speed with blown fuses. Yep, it's a mosfet controller: Description: 2SK 790 N-FET/500V/15A/150W I find these failures strange. My Homier mini mill uses a mosfet drive and (so far) it has simply "tripped" when overloaded. Turning the speed pot to zero (click) and back on resets it. Mike Nash ----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <moran03@...> To: <7x12minilathe@...> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 10:32 AM Subject: [7x12minilathe] 7x12 Blows Fuses ? My 7x12 which is now 2.5 months old popped its fuse shortly after |
7x12 Blows Fuses ?
John
My 7x12 which is now 2.5 months old popped its fuse shortly after
startup Friday, just as I was beginning a parting cut at low speed. I installed the replacement fuse and , with the speed control in the OFF position and the tool backed away, the lathe started as if it was at full speed and the fuse popped again in less than a second. This is a relatively new unit so I called Homier and they promised to call me back on Monday. I'm just wondering if this is a common problem; my understanding is the Homiers use an SCR based controller which is less prone to failure than the MOSFET types. My ckt board has a sticker with FC250J/110V and the large power devices are identified as K790 -- the board uses surface mount devices except for power handling which are thru-hole. Anybody have more info on the Homier controller? Up until this happened I was very happy with the controller since it allowed speed to be reduced to 12rpm, slower than most references in the 7x10 group specify. I did notice that when the speed control was in the OFF position that rotating the knob slightly(as alowed while OFF) made the chuck would move slightly and groan a bit. Since it seems to be live even while OFF I always turn the wall outlet off after use. John |
A Couple of Small Mod's.
I have made a couple of small modifications to improve my 7 x12.
Using a small piece of hyfax plastic from the junk box I made a flag for the tail stock so that I could mount a dial indicator and measure the depth of a hole I am boring. (photo in photo section) The dial indicator is a cheapy from Harbor Freight mounted on a magnet using a small piece of 3/4" aluminum angle. I have also added some short legs to boost the height of the lathe. My lathe sits on a counter height bench and placed it at the wrong height for me so I made short legs from 1 1/2" Aluminum to raise the lathe. Much better. (photo in photo section) Lee Brown |
Installed a Digital Readout on Lathe
Hi:
I have just completed the installation of a digital readout on my Grizzly 7 X 12 and could not be happier. I purchased the DRO from Zietlow Design off of the internet and got the Quill Kits for the machine off of Ebay. On the Zietlow website there are complete instructions on how to make the mounts required for the installation and how to set everything up. It is really nice to now be able to know exactly where your cutter is located on the x and y axis and not have to make a guess by reading the dials and worring about backlash. The entire project was completed for less than $250.00. I am placing some pictures in the photo section of the installation. Lee Brown |
Handwheels For Sale - Cheap
Jim E.
For those not on the 7x10minilathe group:
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Not too long back there were postings about adding a handwheel to the |
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