Re: MicroMark 7x16 Fault Notice
Hi Dick,
The fuseholders for these machines are't the best-made in the world.? The one on my old 7x12 broke off inside the chassis.? Nothing obvious from the outside and it took a bit of head-scratching to figure out what had happened.? Like you I had never found it necessary to replace the fuse.
Worth checking out.
-Mark
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Re: Grizzly is doing better - I hope!!!
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My budget hasn't allowed new machines but I purchase their spare parts that fit my clone RC mill stuff, they are well made,? they sell? parts? that are un available elsewhere..I give them 5 stars on that In a message dated 12/31/2023 7:43:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, prichard.rm@... writes:
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Lone Tree¡
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You ask what would happen if QC was improved¡easy response... The cost would go up as would the quality(hopefully)..those costs would most likely be passed straight through to the consumer!
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Reuben
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Insist on all that and watch the prices rise enough to not make the hobby hobby friendly.
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george
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On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 07:28:04 AM PST, Craig Hopewell via groups.io <cch80124@...> wrote:
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I have made purchases from Grizzly.? ?Unfortunately, due to being typical imports, with poor results (as discussed in another topic).? ?But they did take both of the defective lathes back.? ?Large companies like Grizzly can do this due to their size.? ?But my issue with the state of things is, the retail vendor simply puts these events in the loss column and move on.? ?What should happen is these vendors should insist and demand better products and better QC from the manufacturers.? ?A most unlikely situation since we buy and accept the products.
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Lone Tree, Colorado? ?USA
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Chris from Clickspring just dropped an new Antikyhera fragment video
How to bootstrap an ancient greek metal lathe:?
All of the Antikythera Fragment videos are very worthwhile, imo, almost more than the main vids, because they¡¯re about making the tools to make the thing.
He cheats, a bit, because he already possesses the knowledge of turning so it¡¯s not entirely starting from scratch, but then the Antikythera mechanism itself didn¡¯t spring fully formed de novo from some ancient supergenius¡¯s mind. There had to have been a long tradition of metalworking of complex devices to get to that point.?
--? Bruce Johnson
"Wherever you go, there you are." B. Banzai, PhD
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Re: Grizzly is doing better - I hope!!!
Lone Tree¡
You ask what would happen if QC was improved¡easy response... The cost would go up as would the quality(hopefully)..those costs would most likely be passed straight through to the consumer!
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On Dec 31, 2023, at 10:31?AM, gcvisalia@... wrote:
Insist on all that and watch the prices rise enough to not make the hobby hobby friendly.
george
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 07:28:04 AM PST, Craig Hopewell via groups.io <cch80124@...> wrote:
I have made purchases from Grizzly.? ?Unfortunately, due to being typical imports, with poor results (as discussed in another topic).? ?But they did take both of the defective lathes back.? ?Large companies like Grizzly can do this due to their size.? ?But my issue with the state of things is, the retail vendor simply puts these events in the loss column and move on.? ?What should happen is these vendors should insist and demand better products and better QC from the manufacturers.? ?A most unlikely situation since we buy and accept the products.
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Lone Tree, Colorado? ?USA
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Re: Grizzly is doing better - I hope!!!
Insist on all that and watch the prices rise enough to not make the hobby hobby friendly.
george
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 07:28:04 AM PST, Craig Hopewell via groups.io <cch80124@...> wrote:
I have made purchases from Grizzly.? ?Unfortunately, due to being typical imports, with poor results (as discussed in another topic).? ?But they did take both of the defective lathes back.? ?Large companies like Grizzly can do this due to their size.? ?But my issue with the state of things is, the retail vendor simply puts these events in the loss column and move on.? ?What should happen is these vendors should insist and demand better products and better QC from the manufacturers.? ?A most unlikely situation since we buy and accept the products.
--
Lone Tree, Colorado? ?USA
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Re: Grizzly is doing better - I hope!!!
I have made purchases from Grizzly.? ?Unfortunately, due to being typical imports, with poor results (as discussed in another topic).? ?But they did take both of the defective lathes back.? ?Large companies like Grizzly can do this due to their size.? ?But my issue with the state of things is, the retail vendor simply puts these events in the loss column and move on.? ?What should happen is these vendors should insist and demand better products and better QC from the manufacturers.? ?A most unlikely situation since we buy and accept the products.
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Lone Tree, Colorado? ?USA
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Re: MicroMark 7x16 Fault Notice
George,
There is one white rectangular multi connector that may be the issue. The connector doesn¡¯t seem to want to snap in place as solidly as it should and remain tightly connected. I will look at that closely.?
Dick
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Re: machining in a small shop
roy via groups.io wrote:
> Can you upgrade your shop vac to use a 2 1/2" hose & accessories? That's
> the best thing I've done to my ancient Craftsman shop vac!
I could try, but it sounds like I probably shouldn't be vacuuming that
much "long" stuff. And I think the Fein works well because it's
pretty high velocity -- I'm afraid it wouldn't work well with over
twice the hose. If I really find I need it, I might try that, or get
a 2nd vac. I have an old Craftsman out in the garage, but it sounds
like a jet plane. One of the things I love about the Fein is how
quiet it is.
paul
p.s. There's no way I'll try and run my lathe on its end. I'd have
to go back and watch all those youtube videos with my computer monitor
on its side!
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paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 34.6 degrees)
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Re: machining in a small shop
Can you upgrade your shop vac to use a? 2 1/2" hose & accessories? That's the best thing I've done to my ancient Craftsman shop vac!
Roy
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Re: machining in a small shop
"You can also permanently mount the lathe on end and use it vertically."
Have you tried this? I suppose it's possible, but I don't see the point.? Something I've toyed with (but haven't tried), is to hold a mini-lathe vertically with the HEADSTOCK end on top. This would be difficult because that's the heavy end and there's nothing large enough on the tailstock end to make a stable platform.??
But the point would be to convert the mini-lathe into a precision miniature drill press. You could make a lever action to operate the tailstock ram and put the drill press table in the tailstock, or you could put the drill press table on the carriage.? I thought about this for a long time, but I admit I became less interested when I bought a mini-mill which also functions nicely as a drill press.
Mike Taglieri?
You can also permanently mount the lathe on end and use it vertically.
Ralph
I use cardboard. I use it under the ways. Its deep enough to reach from the front of the bench to near the rear of the bench. I also have large piece as backsplash. It rests on the piece under the lathe. Works rather well for me. Collects debris, swarf and oil. Lathe can easily be brushed clean into the tray, then cleaned onto the cardboard. It is then pulled out and the swarf , etc, can easily dumped. Then the cardboard is then returned. Once it gets bad it's easily replaced. The piece under the lathe is cut to perfectly fit.
george
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:27:07 AM PST, Charles Kinzer < ckinzer@...> wrote:
I don't see any reason you can't store a mini-lathe on end.? (Unlike some larger lathes, it doesn't have any "oil bath" areas where oil could run out.)
Regarding clean up, usually it is common to just use a brush(es) to brush everything to a point and sweep it into a dust pan or container.? Yes, most chips fall down.? But some will inevitably go elsewhere, especially on the floor, onto the bottom of your shoes, and tracked elsewhere if you aren't careful.? (I just have an old piece of regular carpeting from where my machine tools are to a door into the house and it works nearly perfectly for the "shoe" problem.)
I think it is exceedingly uncommon, if ever, to use "dust collection" with a lathe except in an industrial setting where a hazardous material like pure beryllium is being machined.? Usually, the chips aren't very dust-like.? And if using any cutting oil, also damp.? Machining cast iron will produce something that is closer to "dust", but still not that fine.? I would not relate it to the dust produced in woodworking.
For small lathe, it can be handy to have a little removable tray that just fits under the full length of the ways.? Most chips will end up there and it is easy to remove and dump, and then, by brush or vacuum, clean the little that is left around the area and on the lathe.? These lathes come with a chip pan which the lathe is bolted to, but you don't need to use it.? Sort of a judgement call in my view.? On a larger lathe, you may be using a lot of oil, or coolant, and need something to catch it.? That's not typical on a mini lathe.
You can certainly use a vacuum device if you want.? But you mentioned "long swirls of swarf" which I think are more commonly called "stringy chips."? That suggests another topic which is that you should NEVER be producing long stringy chips.? They are a hazard as they can suddenly wrap around and grab something like fingers and instantly pull them into the spinning chuck and workpiece.? In fact, in some machine shops, producing stringy chips can be a firing offense.? They are way to control chip production, especially having a "chip breaker" feature ground into the tool.
If you want to store the lathe front to back on a workbench when not in use, you might be able to put the lathe on wood or MDF piece bolted near the end of the bench (left or right) where you want to store it front to back.? Then it could just be swiveled to normal position? ?Then swiveled back to the storage position, and as a bonus be held down to the bench, at least at one end..
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 09:57:04 AM PST, Paul Fox < pgf@...> wrote:
My small shop is decidedly mixed-use:? wood work (manual, plus
occasional CNC milling), some electronics (Raspberry Pi type stuff),
general homeowner workbench use, and, hopefully someday soon,
machining.
So, in thinking about getting a mini lathe, I'm trying to think about
how it will fit into my shop, in various ways.? And I'm sure other
folks here have had the same issues.
The first is simply space:? my shop is "cozy".? I think it's about 12'
x 12' out of a longer room that also holds our furnace and laundry
machines.? I have two workbenches, a band saw, a grinder/sander, and a
drill press in that space, and some low cabinets which currently hold
my CNC mill at chair height.? The lathe will live either where the CNC
mill is now (but currently that would mean sitting and/or leaning to
use it, rather than standing), or on one of the work benches (but that
means losing the other uses of that bench while doing lathe projects).
It might also be able to live crosswise at the end of one of the
benches, since the benches are about as deep as the lathe will be
wide, but I'm not sure how practical that will be.
Thoughts on any of that?? Is sitting in front of a lathe a no-no?? It
works for the CNC mill, but they're somewhat different animals.
Second, other than hand tools and drill press, the lathe will be the
first metal machining equipment I've introduced to the shop.? Clearly
I'll want a good cover for the lathe when it's not in use, since it will
basically be a magnet for sawdust and dryer lint, otherwise.
But it will also be generating a lot of chips and swarf.? How
controllable is that?? Is a "dust collection" solution possible?? I
assume most of the chips land under the lathe, but how much get
launched several feet away?? My shop vac doubles as dust collector
for the bandsaw and mill, and since I wanted really good dust
collection, it's a Fein, and has a bag.? But its hose is just 1-3/8".
That's okay for sawdust, but I'm picturing it jamming up with long
swirls of swarf if I use it around the lathe.? Will it be at all
useful?
What tricks/techniques do you all use for controlling machining mess?
(I've been watching a bunch of YT videos, and was really hoping
Blondihacks had covered this -- it would be right up her alley.? But
haven't found anything, really, by her or anyone else.)
And finally -- a lathe storage question.? Floor space is at a premium
in my cellar, not just in the shop, so if I want to move the lathe
elsewhere (to free up its workbench, or to use the CNC mill instead),
it occurs to me that storing the lathe on end might make finding space
easier.? Can that be done?
I know -- too long, too many questions in one post.? Sorry!
paul
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paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 41.9 degrees)
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Re: machining in a small shop
I had one of those and just tossed it earlier this year. Agreed with right concept but cheaply made. You would end up having to replace the cheap particle board and the metal braces are a joke. I do like the suggestion such as a sewing machine type setup or even a table top that folds down underneath.? God luck. Ron
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Re: MicroMark 7x16 Fault Notice
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Re: MicroMark 7x16 Fault Notice
I will check that all my wire connections match the diagrams. There are several to check and if something isn¡¯t connected correctly it could be the source of the issue. I was hoping it would not involve all this work, better safe than sorry.
Dick
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Jacques, why don't you just post in French? We all have?Google Translate.
Ralph
1- what? ?do? you thing? about ouging? thecnic
2- do? you use? it sometime
3- is it? need a special? equipment?
4-or? only? welding? equpment? whit? special? ?rcarbon? rod
jack 47 71
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Re: machining in a small shop
You can also permanently mount the lathe on end and use it vertically.
Ralph
I use cardboard. I use it under the ways. Its deep enough to reach from the front of the bench to near the rear of the bench. I also have large piece as backsplash. It rests on the piece under the lathe. Works rather well for me. Collects debris, swarf and oil. Lathe can easily be brushed clean into the tray, then cleaned onto the cardboard. It is then pulled out and the swarf , etc, can easily dumped. Then the cardboard is then returned. Once it gets bad it's easily replaced. The piece under the lathe is cut to perfectly fit.
george
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:27:07 AM PST, Charles Kinzer < ckinzer@...> wrote:
I don't see any reason you can't store a mini-lathe on end.? (Unlike some larger lathes, it doesn't have any "oil bath" areas where oil could run out.)
Regarding clean up, usually it is common to just use a brush(es) to brush everything to a point and sweep it into a dust pan or container.? Yes, most chips fall down.? But some will inevitably go elsewhere, especially on the floor, onto the bottom of your shoes, and tracked elsewhere if you aren't careful.? (I just have an old piece of regular carpeting from where my machine tools are to a door into the house and it works nearly perfectly for the "shoe" problem.)
I think it is exceedingly uncommon, if ever, to use "dust collection" with a lathe except in an industrial setting where a hazardous material like pure beryllium is being machined.? Usually, the chips aren't very dust-like.? And if using any cutting oil, also damp.? Machining cast iron will produce something that is closer to "dust", but still not that fine.? I would not relate it to the dust produced in woodworking.
For small lathe, it can be handy to have a little removable tray that just fits under the full length of the ways.? Most chips will end up there and it is easy to remove and dump, and then, by brush or vacuum, clean the little that is left around the area and on the lathe.? These lathes come with a chip pan which the lathe is bolted to, but you don't need to use it.? Sort of a judgement call in my view.? On a larger lathe, you may be using a lot of oil, or coolant, and need something to catch it.? That's not typical on a mini lathe.
You can certainly use a vacuum device if you want.? But you mentioned "long swirls of swarf" which I think are more commonly called "stringy chips."? That suggests another topic which is that you should NEVER be producing long stringy chips.? They are a hazard as they can suddenly wrap around and grab something like fingers and instantly pull them into the spinning chuck and workpiece.? In fact, in some machine shops, producing stringy chips can be a firing offense.? They are way to control chip production, especially having a "chip breaker" feature ground into the tool.
If you want to store the lathe front to back on a workbench when not in use, you might be able to put the lathe on wood or MDF piece bolted near the end of the bench (left or right) where you want to store it front to back.? Then it could just be swiveled to normal position? ?Then swiveled back to the storage position, and as a bonus be held down to the bench, at least at one end..
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 09:57:04 AM PST, Paul Fox < pgf@...> wrote:
My small shop is decidedly mixed-use:? wood work (manual, plus
occasional CNC milling), some electronics (Raspberry Pi type stuff),
general homeowner workbench use, and, hopefully someday soon,
machining.
So, in thinking about getting a mini lathe, I'm trying to think about
how it will fit into my shop, in various ways.? And I'm sure other
folks here have had the same issues.
The first is simply space:? my shop is "cozy".? I think it's about 12'
x 12' out of a longer room that also holds our furnace and laundry
machines.? I have two workbenches, a band saw, a grinder/sander, and a
drill press in that space, and some low cabinets which currently hold
my CNC mill at chair height.? The lathe will live either where the CNC
mill is now (but currently that would mean sitting and/or leaning to
use it, rather than standing), or on one of the work benches (but that
means losing the other uses of that bench while doing lathe projects).
It might also be able to live crosswise at the end of one of the
benches, since the benches are about as deep as the lathe will be
wide, but I'm not sure how practical that will be.
Thoughts on any of that?? Is sitting in front of a lathe a no-no?? It
works for the CNC mill, but they're somewhat different animals.
Second, other than hand tools and drill press, the lathe will be the
first metal machining equipment I've introduced to the shop.? Clearly
I'll want a good cover for the lathe when it's not in use, since it will
basically be a magnet for sawdust and dryer lint, otherwise.
But it will also be generating a lot of chips and swarf.? How
controllable is that?? Is a "dust collection" solution possible?? I
assume most of the chips land under the lathe, but how much get
launched several feet away?? My shop vac doubles as dust collector
for the bandsaw and mill, and since I wanted really good dust
collection, it's a Fein, and has a bag.? But its hose is just 1-3/8".
That's okay for sawdust, but I'm picturing it jamming up with long
swirls of swarf if I use it around the lathe.? Will it be at all
useful?
What tricks/techniques do you all use for controlling machining mess?
(I've been watching a bunch of YT videos, and was really hoping
Blondihacks had covered this -- it would be right up her alley.? But
haven't found anything, really, by her or anyone else.)
And finally -- a lathe storage question.? Floor space is at a premium
in my cellar, not just in the shop, so if I want to move the lathe
elsewhere (to free up its workbench, or to use the CNC mill instead),
it occurs to me that storing the lathe on end might make finding space
easier.? Can that be done?
I know -- too long, too many questions in one post.? Sorry!
paul
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paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 41.9 degrees)
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Re: machining in a small shop
Animal is correct; you also were limited by the footprint and height of what was mounted on the rotary portion of the ¡°table.¡± I had one for a couple of years with a small jointer, benchtop circular saw and scroll saw. Overall footprint was smaller than would have been required for a large enough table/bench for all three, but it was a pain changing machines, your needed access to both ends (so necessary space wasn¡¯t actually smaller) and you couldn¡¯t saw a plank to eidth, joint it and then cross cut to length easily.
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Re: machining in a small shop
I use cardboard. I use it under the ways. Its deep enough to reach from the front of the bench to near the rear of the bench. I also have large piece as backsplash. It rests on the piece under the lathe. Works rather well for me. Collects debris, swarf and oil. Lathe can easily be brushed clean into the tray, then cleaned onto the cardboard. It is then pulled out and the swarf , etc, can easily dumped. Then the cardboard is then returned. Once it gets bad it's easily replaced. The piece under the lathe is cut to perfectly fit.
george
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 10:27:07 AM PST, Charles Kinzer <ckinzer@...> wrote:
I don't see any reason you can't store a mini-lathe on end.? (Unlike some larger lathes, it doesn't have any "oil bath" areas where oil could run out.)
Regarding clean up, usually it is common to just use a brush(es) to brush everything to a point and sweep it into a dust pan or container.? Yes, most chips fall down.? But some will inevitably go elsewhere, especially on the floor, onto the bottom of your shoes, and tracked elsewhere if you aren't careful.? (I just have an old piece of regular carpeting from where my machine tools are to a door into the house and it works nearly perfectly for the "shoe" problem.)
I think it is exceedingly uncommon, if ever, to use "dust collection" with a lathe except in an industrial setting where a hazardous material like pure beryllium is being machined.? Usually, the chips aren't very dust-like.? And if using any cutting oil, also damp.? Machining cast iron will produce something that is closer to "dust", but still not that fine.? I would not relate it to the dust produced in woodworking.
For small lathe, it can be handy to have a little removable tray that just fits under the full length of the ways.? Most chips will end up there and it is easy to remove and dump, and then, by brush or vacuum, clean the little that is left around the area and on the lathe.? These lathes come with a chip pan which the lathe is bolted to, but you don't need to use it.? Sort of a judgement call in my view.? On a larger lathe, you may be using a lot of oil, or coolant, and need something to catch it.? That's not typical on a mini lathe.
You can certainly use a vacuum device if you want.? But you mentioned "long swirls of swarf" which I think are more commonly called "stringy chips."? That suggests another topic which is that you should NEVER be producing long stringy chips.? They are a hazard as they can suddenly wrap around and grab something like fingers and instantly pull them into the spinning chuck and workpiece.? In fact, in some machine shops, producing stringy chips can be a firing offense.? They are way to control chip production, especially having a "chip breaker" feature ground into the tool.
If you want to store the lathe front to back on a workbench when not in use, you might be able to put the lathe on wood or MDF piece bolted near the end of the bench (left or right) where you want to store it front to back.? Then it could just be swiveled to normal position? ?Then swiveled back to the storage position, and as a bonus be held down to the bench, at least at one end..
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 09:57:04 AM PST, Paul Fox <pgf@...> wrote:
My small shop is decidedly mixed-use:? wood work (manual, plus
occasional CNC milling), some electronics (Raspberry Pi type stuff),
general homeowner workbench use, and, hopefully someday soon,
machining.
So, in thinking about getting a mini lathe, I'm trying to think about
how it will fit into my shop, in various ways.? And I'm sure other
folks here have had the same issues.
The first is simply space:? my shop is "cozy".? I think it's about 12'
x 12' out of a longer room that also holds our furnace and laundry
machines.? I have two workbenches, a band saw, a grinder/sander, and a
drill press in that space, and some low cabinets which currently hold
my CNC mill at chair height.? The lathe will live either where the CNC
mill is now (but currently that would mean sitting and/or leaning to
use it, rather than standing), or on one of the work benches (but that
means losing the other uses of that bench while doing lathe projects).
It might also be able to live crosswise at the end of one of the
benches, since the benches are about as deep as the lathe will be
wide, but I'm not sure how practical that will be.
Thoughts on any of that?? Is sitting in front of a lathe a no-no?? It
works for the CNC mill, but they're somewhat different animals.
Second, other than hand tools and drill press, the lathe will be the
first metal machining equipment I've introduced to the shop.? Clearly
I'll want a good cover for the lathe when it's not in use, since it will
basically be a magnet for sawdust and dryer lint, otherwise.
But it will also be generating a lot of chips and swarf.? How
controllable is that?? Is a "dust collection" solution possible?? I
assume most of the chips land under the lathe, but how much get
launched several feet away?? My shop vac doubles as dust collector
for the bandsaw and mill, and since I wanted really good dust
collection, it's a Fein, and has a bag.? But its hose is just 1-3/8".
That's okay for sawdust, but I'm picturing it jamming up with long
swirls of swarf if I use it around the lathe.? Will it be at all
useful?
What tricks/techniques do you all use for controlling machining mess?
(I've been watching a bunch of YT videos, and was really hoping
Blondihacks had covered this -- it would be right up her alley.? But
haven't found anything, really, by her or anyone else.)
And finally -- a lathe storage question.? Floor space is at a premium
in my cellar, not just in the shop, so if I want to move the lathe
elsewhere (to free up its workbench, or to use the CNC mill instead),
it occurs to me that storing the lathe on end might make finding space
easier.? Can that be done?
I know -- too long, too many questions in one post.? Sorry!
paul
=----------------------
paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 41.9 degrees)
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1- what? ?do? you thing? about ouging? thecnic
2- do? you use? it sometime
3- is it? need a special? equipment?
4-or? only? welding? equpment? whit? special? ?rcarbon? rod
jack 47 71
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Re: machining in a small shop
I've been storing my mini-lathe vertically for years, and it works fine. What I did was make a wooden plug for the left end of the spindle. Part of it is turned down to fit snugly inside the spindle. (you can do this on the mini-lathe itself -- turning wood is one of the only things I use the high-speed gear for).
The part of the plug that doesn't fit inside the spindle is then made just long enough so the lathe will balance vertically on the plug and the bottom of the tray. This may take some fiddling but it's not rocket science.?
The only trick using this method is that you either have to lock the carriage and the tailstock solidly in place or (my preference) move them all the way to the left.? Otherwise they may slam down against the chuck when you lift the end up and break something or hurt you.
Technically, this method works great. The only problem is me -- when the lathe is vertical, I can get my bench so cluttered that when it's time to put the lathe down and use it, I sometimes don't have a big enough space for it.? A couple of times when I've been in a hurry, I've even put the lathe down not quite horizontally on top of various tools and pieces of junk and used it that way. Obviously not recommended,? but these little lathes are very forgiving.
Mike Taglieri?
On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 12:57 PM Paul Fox < pgf@...> wrote: My small shop is decidedly mixed-use:? wood work (manual, plus
occasional CNC milling), some electronics (Raspberry Pi type stuff),
general homeowner workbench use, and, hopefully someday soon,
machining.
So, in thinking about getting a mini lathe, I'm trying to think about
how it will fit into my shop, in various ways.? And I'm sure other
folks here have had the same issues.
The first is simply space:? my shop is "cozy".? I think it's about 12'
x 12' out of a longer room that also holds our furnace and laundry
machines.? I have two workbenches, a band saw, a grinder/sander, and a
drill press in that space, and some low cabinets which currently hold
my CNC mill at chair height.? The lathe will live either where the CNC
mill is now (but currently that would mean sitting and/or leaning to
use it, rather than standing), or on one of the work benches (but that
means losing the other uses of that bench while doing lathe projects).
It might also be able to live crosswise at the end of one of the
benches, since the benches are about as deep as the lathe will be
wide, but I'm not sure how practical that will be.
Thoughts on any of that?? Is sitting in front of a lathe a no-no?? It
works for the CNC mill, but they're somewhat different animals.
Second, other than hand tools and drill press, the lathe will be the
first metal machining equipment I've introduced to the shop.? Clearly
I'll want a good cover for the lathe when it's not in use, since it will
basically be a magnet for sawdust and dryer lint, otherwise.
But it will also be generating a lot of chips and swarf.? How
controllable is that?? Is a "dust collection" solution possible?? I
assume most of the chips land under the lathe, but how much get
launched several feet away?? My shop vac doubles as dust collector
for the bandsaw and mill, and since I wanted really good dust
collection, it's a Fein, and has a bag.? But its hose is just 1-3/8".
That's okay for sawdust, but I'm picturing it jamming up with long
swirls of swarf if I use it around the lathe.? Will it be at all
useful?
What tricks/techniques do you all use for controlling machining mess?
(I've been watching a bunch of YT videos, and was really hoping
Blondihacks had covered this -- it would be right up her alley.? But
haven't found anything, really, by her or anyone else.)
And finally -- a lathe storage question.? Floor space is at a premium
in my cellar, not just in the shop, so if I want to move the lathe
elsewhere (to free up its workbench, or to use the CNC mill instead),
it occurs to me that storing the lathe on end might make finding space
easier.? Can that be done?
I know -- too long, too many questions in one post.? Sorry!
paul
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paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 41.9 degrees)
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Re: machining in a small shop
??? ??? hit send to soon . probably the best bang for the buck
would be the tool box under the lathe , Ya just push it out of teh
way when needed & no extra setup time when ya want to use the
lathe . They also make fold out shelvs that can be mounted on
either or both side of teh rolling tool box .
animal
On 12/30/23 1:19 PM, mike allen wrote:
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??? ??? IIRC on that Craftsman rotating bench that ya had to
slide the top out to the side on either side of the center top
before ya could spin the centerpiece .
animal
On 12/30/23 12:10 PM, Charles Kinzer
wrote:
If you do something like
store it on a bench to the side front to back, you could
have a shelf surface above where the lathe is stored to
provide some additional flat surface.? You would still have
all the square footage of the workbench, just with some of
it elevated.
Another tangential idea to
the old sewing machine flip over design is the Sears
Craftsman "Rotary Tool Bench."? I think this is an idea that
might look a little better on paper than in practice (and
might be a reason why it is no longer made.).? It is also
designed for sort of smallish tools.? But a three-sided
scheme could probably be made that would the lathe on one
face, something else on another face, and perhaps the last
face blank to just be more workbench surface when neither of
the two machines are being used.
I'm thinking that it might
be about the same work to make a three-position rotary as a
two-position flip (or something that raised and lowered the
lathe with an insert to fill the hole when lowered)..? And
that would provide a home for another machine perhaps
infrequently used.? The weight imbalance would be an issue
to deal with, or at least be very careful with.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 11:50:46 AM PST,
Paul Fox <pgf@...>
wrote:
mike wrote:
> ... Could ya make a
> cutout in one of the work benches with the lathe
mounted to it & when
> not in use ya turn it over & the lathe is now
mounted upside down under
> the bench top . ...
Ha!? That's great!? It's particularly amusing to me,
since my main reason
for getting a lathe is that I collect and restore
antique sewing machines,
and they sometimes need parts or screws that can't be
found anymore.? And
sewing machines very often are stowed in their cabinets
by sort of flipping
them upside down, just like you describe.? It would be
perfect.? :-)
But I suspect there are easier ways.? Arthur suggested
wheels -- very
true, and much of my stuff is already on casters so I
can move it
around.? If I can find a place to park a small bench
with the lathe on
it, that might well be the answer.? (There's one
particular sewing
machine that might be a good candidate for sale in that
case -- it
occupies a prime spot under the cellar stairs.)? And
also as Arthur
said, having a cabinet under the lathe for all of the
lathe-related
stuff would be smart.? Hadn't thought about that.
paul
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