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Re: this is pretty cool

 

Just a minor correction in case anyone wants to look for it.? It is "Leadloy", not "Leadolly."? More officially, the alloy is 12L14.

It is a very free machining steel alloy (as in "try it, you'll like it") and used in making a lot of automatic screw machine parts.? I don't know if that is still true today as something else might be being used now.? I didn't research that aspect.

Yes, it contains lead.? You should do your own homework, but it has been my understanding that for regular machining there is no particular hazard.? For welding, I think there is risk.? And probably also for grinding.? I look at this like the risk of beryllium.? It is very hazardous by itself but alloyed with copper (beryllium-copper) normal machining is safe and many hand tools are even made of it since it won't produce sparks.? Good for use around things like thermite or explosives.

Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer

On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 04:38:49 AM PST, Charles Devore via groups.io <claremont5@...> wrote:


Burnishing has it's place, doesn't remove material, but looks nice, we always used fluid, I suspect that material is "free machining" type and since it is asia is most likely "leadolly"(no longer used much here=epa), if a really nice bearing surface is needed, just rough it around .004 oversize and then run the parts thru a centerless grinder "plunge cutting each one it goes pretty quick

In a message dated 12/10/2023 11:11:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, d.i.williams@... writes:
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Dear Mr Animal,

May I ask some related questions for the group to ponder?

Firstly, ¡ª Thank you very much (Mr Animal) for posting this? - I found it very interesting and the style of the video was both very sharp & polished. (Pun intended)
(I looked at the chuck and thought - this looks like a rather large chuck on a 7 x X lathe?.)

1. Seriously, is this an industry standard practice for polishing metals in a lathe?

2. A tongue in cheek question¡­¡­ As a matter of interest, if you had a similar large tool held in a milling machine and run using very close passes over the surface, would it (sort of) polish a flat piece of work? I realise it would not have quite the same effect as the work is not spinning. But the tool is. (Unless it was on a rotary table and you were turning it very very fast.?) Perhaps run in two passes at 90deg. to each other. Producing a sort of diamond effect? Does anyone have any knowledge?

3. Would you get a sort of similar(?) effect using a small(?) spherical shaped ball bearing held in a holder on a (mini) lathe?

Thank you all, in anticipation.

All in all, very interesting. Thank you. Just the harden steel ball doing the polishing.

David UK.
> On 11 Dec 2023, at 04:31, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB_C8VdZ0r0
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> Watched this a few nites back , pretty cool
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Re: 7x16 Spindle to Tailstock Alignment Test Outcome

 

If I put the test bar MT3 in the spindle loosely, put the liver center tip in on the tailstock loosely, then seat them by sharply pushing in the tailstock while turning slowly, the system aligns to 0.0015¡± max deviation over 8¡± - better!

The headstock alone appears a culprit, with up to 0.008¡± deviation when mounted in the spindle alone (several times). That would be worth some bolt adjustment and shimming, as recommended. I gave the ways and headstock surfaces a good wipe down before reassembly.

I scraped some paint off both the ways and headstock contact surfaces - I dunno if the factory adjusts for true after assembly or if my machine was even farther off before I cleaned it up.


Re: this is pretty cool

 

Burnishing has it's place, doesn't remove material, but looks nice, we always used fluid, I suspect that material is "free machining" type and since it is asia is most likely "leadolly"(no longer used much here=epa), if a really nice bearing surface is needed, just rough it around .004 oversize and then run the parts thru a centerless grinder "plunge cutting each one it goes pretty quick

In a message dated 12/10/2023 11:11:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, d.i.williams@... writes:
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Dear Mr Animal,

May I ask some related questions for the group to ponder?

Firstly, ¡ª Thank you very much (Mr Animal) for posting this? - I found it very interesting and the style of the video was both very sharp & polished. (Pun intended)
(I looked at the chuck and thought - this looks like a rather large chuck on a 7 x X lathe?.)

1. Seriously, is this an industry standard practice for polishing metals in a lathe?

2. A tongue in cheek question¡­¡­ As a matter of interest, if you had a similar large tool held in a milling machine and run using very close passes over the surface, would it (sort of) polish a flat piece of work? I realise it would not have quite the same effect as the work is not spinning. But the tool is. (Unless it was on a rotary table and you were turning it very very fast.?) Perhaps run in two passes at 90deg. to each other. Producing a sort of diamond effect? Does anyone have any knowledge?

3. Would you get a sort of similar(?) effect using a small(?) spherical shaped ball bearing held in a holder on a (mini) lathe?

Thank you all, in anticipation.

All in all, very interesting. Thank you. Just the harden steel ball doing the polishing.

David UK.
> On 11 Dec 2023, at 04:31, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB_C8VdZ0r0
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> Watched this a few nites back , pretty cool
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Re: What projects are you doing?

 

That's what I normally do. But as a lathe operator I feel I should know and be able to do the basics.?

george

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 07:07:36 PM PST, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@...> wrote:




On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:20?PM, gcvisalia@... wrote:

And I'm still trying to learn how to turn threads !

99% of the time you would use a die to cut thread. ?If that does not work, redesign the part.

Generally, you turn the metal down to the major thread diameter, then use a die.

Building a timing belt pulley is easy too. ?Say the?pulley is 32 mm in diameter. ?Then print one in plastic that has a 24 mm hole in the?center. Use the lathe and boring bar to trure the printed hole. ?Make a 24mm metal disk and epoxy the metal hub into the ring of teeth. ?Plastic gear hubs don¡¯t last long but plastic groves do. ??

The idea is to make it easy, ?They call it ¡°designing for?manufacturability¡±. If you know that you only have a mini lath and a semi-skilled operator (me) then don¡¯t design parts that require high?tolerances.



Re: this is pretty cool

 

Dear Mr Animal,

May I ask some related questions for the group to ponder?

Firstly, ¡ª Thank you very much (Mr Animal) for posting this - I found it very interesting and the style of the video was both very sharp & polished. (Pun intended)
(I looked at the chuck and thought - this looks like a rather large chuck on a 7 x X lathe?.)

1. Seriously, is this an industry standard practice for polishing metals in a lathe?

2. A tongue in cheek question¡­¡­ As a matter of interest, if you had a similar large tool held in a milling machine and run using very close passes over the surface, would it (sort of) polish a flat piece of work? I realise it would not have quite the same effect as the work is not spinning. But the tool is. (Unless it was on a rotary table and you were turning it very very fast.?) Perhaps run in two passes at 90deg. to each other. Producing a sort of diamond effect? Does anyone have any knowledge?

3. Would you get a sort of similar(?) effect using a small(?) spherical shaped ball bearing held in a holder on a (mini) lathe?

Thank you all, in anticipation.

All in all, very interesting. Thank you. Just the harden steel ball doing the polishing.

David UK.

On 11 Dec 2023, at 04:31, mike allen <animal@...> wrote:

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Watched this a few nites back , pretty cool

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this is pretty cool

 



Watched this a few nites back , pretty cool

animal


Re: What projects are you doing?

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On Dec 10, 2023, at 4:20?PM, gcvisalia@... wrote:

And I'm still trying to learn how to turn threads !

99% of the time you would use a die to cut thread. ?If that does not work, redesign the part.

Generally, you turn the metal down to the major thread diameter, then use a die.

Building a timing belt pulley is easy too. ?Say the?pulley is 32 mm in diameter. ?Then print one in plastic that has a 24 mm hole in the?center. Use the lathe and boring bar to trure the printed hole. ?Make a 24mm metal disk and epoxy the metal hub into the ring of teeth. ?Plastic gear hubs don¡¯t last long but plastic groves do. ??

The idea is to make it easy, ?They call it ¡°designing for?manufacturability¡±. If you know that you only have a mini lath and a semi-skilled operator (me) then don¡¯t design parts that require high?tolerances.



Re: What projects are you doing?

 

I may make hand crank.
My next project is installing a good Aloris AXA tool post on the lathe.?
DC power feed
South bend tapper attachment?
After that is a follower rest.

Then will be low speed tapping.?

Dave?


Re: What projects are you doing?

 

Consider a hand crank for the spindle. Using one lets you apply a lot more torque at low speed & takes the excitement out of tapping on the lathe. There are a bunch of designs, using different approaches to making an expanding piece that fits inside the spindle.

Roy


Re: What projects are you doing?

 

I made some replacement blade guide brackets for my 4x6 HF bandsaw.? The OEM ones didn't permit enough adjustment range to get the blade vertically aligned, without pushing the blade around a lot.? That caused other problems, like bizarre interactions between blade tension and blade tracking on the wheels.

So I made replacement brackets.? As part of that I had to drill and tap an 8mm hole on the end of a 7 inch-long aluminum bar, which was too tall for my benchtop mill once the drill chuck was installed.? The thought occurred to me that I could use my lathe if I could hold that piece on the carriage.? I initially thought about making my own replacement compound with T slots, but then I discovered that LMS sells that very thing, for a very reasonable price.? So I bought it.? And it worked out great.? Here's a photo showing the piece being tapped:



My lathe didn't have enough power to fully tap the hole so once I got the tap started I moved everything to my vise and used a tap wrench to finish it up.? I used a couple of hold downs from my mill hold down kit and some 8mm T nuts + 6mm all-thread to clamp the bar in place.? I aligned it using a machinists square.

For this job I didn't bother installing the feed screw, I just tightened down the gib screws to hold the compound securely in place.? It's rotated 90 degrees, so the photo shows the hole for the feed screw in the lower right corner of the photo.

BTW the replacement blade guide brackets worked out very well.? I can get the proper blade twist with little to no sideways displacement.? The bandsaw cuts pretty darned straight now.


Re: What projects are you doing?

 

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What are ya usin for scales with the Touch DRO ?

thanks

animal

On 12/10/23 3:49 PM, CBJessee-N4SRN wrote:

Doing a Hemingway Kits Machinist¡¯s Hammer and Gray Kits Machinist¡¯s Clamps as learning projects. I¡¯ll also step through some TouchDRO videos on using the app while machining on the lathe to learn the new DRO I¡¯ve installed. It worked out pretty good with only 0.0002¡± difference between my indicator and the DRO over a 6in 2-3-6 block.


Re: What projects are you doing?

 
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There are a few tricks with Threading that make easier.? When fist starting just use the Rev switch.? The other is a high rake angle helps.?

My wife is getting both eyes done next month.

I just finished my 4 jaw today.?
It is a 5" and need a backing plate.?
Nice size for lathe.?

Dave


Re: 7x16 Spindle to Tailstock Alignment Test Outcome

 

Just remember what doing .
A dial indicator reading to 0.000,1 is great but most work 0.001 works great .

My self I keep most of my work to under 0.000,5".?

Dave?


Re: What projects are you doing?

 

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I've not tried to turn threads.? Now that eyes are fixed from cataract surgery, it's about time to upgrade the mini lathe to the 16" bed.?? Many amateur radio/ham radio projects I need to do but have been putting off due to vision problems.

Stan



On 12/10/23 18:20, gcvisalia@... wrote:

And I'm still trying to learn how to turn threads !

george

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 04:07:50 PM PST, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@...> wrote:


Project? ?

My last big project was a CNC conversion of a HF Mini Mill. ?I added computer contoled motor to all three axes. ? Now I¡¯m on to the current project which is robotics parts. ??

Many of the parts are 3D printed but there are metal parts that need turning and some milling. ?And some of the plastic parts need finish work on a machine tool.

3D printed plastic is only about as accurate as metal castings so I have to machine the plastic where it touches precision metal parts. ?The Mini Lathe and mini Mill are good enough for this because I don¡¯t need to make high-precision parts like bearing races. ?I buy sealed bearing units and press fit them into the plastic parts. ?I make the metal shafts and other small parts. ?In total, there are 12 motors, 60 sealed bearing units, 24 timing belts, and lots of?opportunities to do small-scale machine work

The current project is a robot quadruped that is the size of a small dog. ?It is based on a design by ODRI but redesigned for lower cost. ?Right now I am prototyping parts, nowhere near ready to assemble a complete robot. ?That may happen in 2024. ??

Someone at a university made a video that shows the basic design and then the parts inside. ?All the details are different in mine but the basic plan is the same.

Here is one of the subassemblies in my version. ?You will need to use the ¡°exploder¡± to see inside and the rotating in 3D to see the exploded parts.?

My advice about ¡°setting up a lathe¡± ¡ª Make parts, then if the parts don¡¯t come out with enough quality, figure out why and fix that problem. ?This way you only fix what matters and you actualy get stuff done.





On Dec 10, 2023, at 9:11?AM, Ryan H via groups.io <ifly172@...> wrote:

Nothing major here currently. Last project was making some inserts for dining room chairs. They're threaded 9/16 x 16 on the outside and 3/8 x 24 on the inside. Neither are common in the real world anymore and weren't easily available. Single pointed the outside and tapped the inside.?
On Dec 10, 2023 at 10:50?AM -0500, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...>, wrote:
Right now I my projects is setting up my lathe .? Now what is next?

Dave?



Re: What projects are you doing?

 

And I'm still trying to learn how to turn threads !

george

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 04:07:50 PM PST, Chris Albertson <albertson.chris@...> wrote:


Project? ?

My last big project was a CNC conversion of a HF Mini Mill. ?I added computer contoled motor to all three axes. ? Now I¡¯m on to the current project which is robotics parts. ??

Many of the parts are 3D printed but there are metal parts that need turning and some milling. ?And some of the plastic parts need finish work on a machine tool.

3D printed plastic is only about as accurate as metal castings so I have to machine the plastic where it touches precision metal parts. ?The Mini Lathe and mini Mill are good enough for this because I don¡¯t need to make high-precision parts like bearing races. ?I buy sealed bearing units and press fit them into the plastic parts. ?I make the metal shafts and other small parts. ?In total, there are 12 motors, 60 sealed bearing units, 24 timing belts, and lots of?opportunities to do small-scale machine work

The current project is a robot quadruped that is the size of a small dog. ?It is based on a design by ODRI but redesigned for lower cost. ?Right now I am prototyping parts, nowhere near ready to assemble a complete robot. ?That may happen in 2024. ??

Someone at a university made a video that shows the basic design and then the parts inside. ?All the details are different in mine but the basic plan is the same.

Here is one of the subassemblies in my version. ?You will need to use the ¡°exploder¡± to see inside and the rotating in 3D to see the exploded parts.?https://a360.co/4abPa2f

My advice about ¡°setting up a lathe¡± ¡ª Make parts, then if the parts don¡¯t come out with enough quality, figure out why and fix that problem. ?This way you only fix what matters and you actualy get stuff done.





On Dec 10, 2023, at 9:11?AM, Ryan H via groups.io <ifly172@...> wrote:

Nothing major here currently. Last project was making some inserts for dining room chairs. They're threaded 9/16 x 16 on the outside and 3/8 x 24 on the inside. Neither are common in the real world anymore and weren't easily available. Single pointed the outside and tapped the inside.?
On Dec 10, 2023 at 10:50?AM -0500, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...>, wrote:
Right now I my projects is setting up my lathe .? Now what is next?

Dave?


Re: What projects are you doing?

Chris Albertson
 

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Project? ?

My last big project was a CNC conversion of a HF Mini Mill. ?I added computer contoled motor to all three axes. ? Now I¡¯m on to the current project which is robotics parts. ??

Many of the parts are 3D printed but there are metal parts that need turning and some milling. ?And some of the plastic parts need finish work on a machine tool.

3D printed plastic is only about as accurate as metal castings so I have to machine the plastic where it touches precision metal parts. ?The Mini Lathe and mini Mill are good enough for this because I don¡¯t need to make high-precision parts like bearing races. ?I buy sealed bearing units and press fit them into the plastic parts. ?I make the metal shafts and other small parts. ?In total, there are 12 motors, 60 sealed bearing units, 24 timing belts, and lots of?opportunities to do small-scale machine work

The current project is a robot quadruped that is the size of a small dog. ?It is based on a design by ODRI but redesigned for lower cost. ?Right now I am prototyping parts, nowhere near ready to assemble a complete robot. ?That may happen in 2024. ??

Someone at a university made a video that shows the basic design and then the parts inside. ?All the details are different in mine but the basic plan is the same.

Here is one of the subassemblies in my version. ?You will need to use the ¡°exploder¡± to see inside and the rotating in 3D to see the exploded parts.?https://a360.co/4abPa2f

My advice about ¡°setting up a lathe¡± ¡ª Make parts, then if the parts don¡¯t come out with enough quality, figure out why and fix that problem. ?This way you only fix what matters and you actualy get stuff done.





On Dec 10, 2023, at 9:11?AM, Ryan H via groups.io <ifly172@...> wrote:

Nothing major here currently. Last project was making some inserts for dining room chairs. They're threaded 9/16 x 16 on the outside and 3/8 x 24 on the inside. Neither are common in the real world anymore and weren't easily available. Single pointed the outside and tapped the inside.?
On Dec 10, 2023 at 10:50?AM -0500, davesmith1800 <davesmith1@...>, wrote:
Right now I my projects is setting up my lathe .? Now what is next?

Dave?


Re: What projects are you doing?

 

Just finish a 22 caliber pellet gun slug maker. I use mine mostly for making nickel silver ferrules and seat hardware for fly rods. But you never know what I will do next. Have the mini-mill also.


On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 5:49?PM CBJessee-N4SRN <cbjesseeNH@...> wrote:
Doing a Hemingway Kits Machinist¡¯s Hammer and Gray Kits Machinist¡¯s Clamps as learning projects. I¡¯ll also step through some TouchDRO videos on using the app while machining on the lathe to learn the new DRO I¡¯ve installed. It worked out pretty good with only 0.0002¡± difference between my indicator and the DRO over a 6in 2-3-6 block.


Re: What projects are you doing?

 

Doing a Hemingway Kits Machinist¡¯s Hammer and Gray Kits Machinist¡¯s Clamps as learning projects. I¡¯ll also step through some TouchDRO videos on using the app while machining on the lathe to learn the new DRO I¡¯ve installed. It worked out pretty good with only 0.0002¡± difference between my indicator and the DRO over a 6in 2-3-6 block.


Re: 7x16 Spindle to Tailstock Alignment Test Outcome

 

Thanks for all the thoughts and suggestions!

It comes to mind, I should check with the test bar in the spindle alone, without the tailstock. There should be no deflection issue running an indicator down the bar, so I might find whether the headstock or tailstock has greater influence on my machine.


Re: 7x16 Spindle to Tailstock Alignment Test Outcome

 

Like Mark says, it's basically up to you. If you're happy with that you're good to go!??I wanted better so I tinkered and adjusted a lot. I replaced the two bolts in the back of the headstock with hex heads so I could work with them easier than the allens that came factory in mine. A shim here, a tap there with a rubber mallet, tighten, cut test adjust... Over a 8" test bar I got mine under .001" vertical and horizontal with a dial indicator on the saddle and with a live center in the tailstock I can turn 11" of a 12" length of 12L14 within .001" from tail to chuck. If you're happy with .005" over 10" you're good to make chips but if you're going to be doing some longer parts ( I was and needed more precision ) the lathe is capable of doing it if you're willing to put the time into adjusting it.?

Ryan?
On Dec 10, 2023 at 1:21?PM -0500, Mark Kimball <markkimball51@...>, wrote:

If you got those numbers with no shims under your headstock and no adjustments to your tailstock I'd say that is pretty darned good.? Since you now have a nice test bar you can tweak it as much as your patience and ambition allow.

Mark