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Re: Upgraded the Group.
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Dave On 12/22/20 11:51 AM, Bill in OKC too via groups.io wrote:
I was dumb enough to accept when Joe offered to make me an owner of the group. ;) Enough people have said they'd kick in $5 to keep the group going, and have more space, that I've gone ahead and upgraded. I fronted the $220 (not $200 as I thought it was) for the upgrade. Once my payment processes, we'll have 20gb of space for documents, photos, and attachments. If you want to help me out, my PayPal address is wmrmeyers@... <mailto:wmrmeyers@...>?I can afford to pay $5, myself, so I need 43 donations of $5 via PayPal Friends and Family, or enough to cover the fees they charge if you don't want to do F&F. This gives us a year we don't have to worry too much about this, at least! |
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Re: Upgraded the Group.
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Re: Upgraded the Group.
Thanks, Bill. My donation for $6 is on its way. Clem On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:51 PM Bill in OKC too via <wmrmeyers=[email protected]> wrote: I was dumb enough to accept when Joe offered to make me an owner of the group. ;) Enough people have said they'd kick in $5 to keep the group going, and have more space, that I've gone ahead and upgraded. I fronted the $220 (not $200 as I thought it was) for the upgrade. Once my payment processes, we'll have 20gb of space for documents, photos, and attachments. If you want to help me out, my PayPal address is wmrmeyers@...?I can afford to pay $5, myself, so I need 43 donations of $5 via PayPal Friends and Family, or enough to cover the fees they charge if you don't want to do F&F. This gives us a year we don't have to worry too much about this, at least! |
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Upgraded the Group.
I was dumb enough to accept when Joe offered to make me an owner of the group. ;) Enough people have said they'd kick in $5 to keep the group going, and have more space, that I've gone ahead and upgraded. I fronted the $220 (not $200 as I thought it was) for the upgrade. Once my payment processes, we'll have 20gb of space for documents, photos, and attachments. If you want to help me out, my PayPal address is wmrmeyers@...?I can afford to pay $5, myself, so I need 43 donations of $5 via PayPal Friends and Family, or enough to cover the fees they charge if you don't want to do F&F. This gives us a year we don't have to worry too much about this, at least!
Bill in OKC |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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I am a lurker, but have gotten valuable info and ideas here when needed. I would pay $5 for year just to maintain access.
As has already been mentioned, requiring members to sign up manually would automatically cull the list. I am sure there are very many on the list who no longer have any interest. -- Regards, Charlie New Jersey, USA There IS no cloud!? It's just someone else's computer. |
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Re: Upgrading the group, or... - Was: Re: Uploading Photos and Files to [email protected].
开云体育Well, I stand corrected WRT the Member Count paragraph in my previous.? Looks like the safest thing for us to do is to upgrade to Premium by the end of the year.? If I am reading it correctly. ? Robert Downs ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rexarino
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2020 02:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] Upgrading the group, or... - Was: Re: Uploading Photos and Files to [email protected]. ? I've just this evening read the following from a member of another non IO group, about the IO group he manages. It appears it would behove us to move quickly! I've copied this from a post by Russell C on the model engine group. This is presented as a communication from ? For groups upgraded after Monday, January 18th, 2021 at 9am Pacific Time, the pricing plans will be based on the number of members in the group. The base costs of the different existing plans are not changing. The change is that above a certain number of members, the per member pricing kicks in Here is the run down: Regards, Rex |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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开云体育Well, I finally found the poll and took it.? And then had a look at the results.? Considering the relatively small number of posts that I have made, I decided I must be a lurker but if necessary, I would contribute, so voted for that. ? I recognize several of the names or User ID’s from other Groups, Lists or Sites that I’m on as Member, Moderator, Co-Owner or Owner and presume that most of those will recognize my User ID. ? To bring the poll results up to date, 53 members have now voted.? Of those, 9 voted for keeping the group free or said that they wouldn’t contribute, and 44 said that they would contribute.? ? Before going any further, the member count doesn’t seem to figure in to whether the Group can be Free or Premium.? So I wouldn’t suggest spending any time right away anyway at pruning the Group.? However, later it probably wouldn’t hurt anything or at least unsubscribe the confirmed bouncers.? And then maybe those who haven’t posted since say January of 2018.? But they should not be banned unless they are a known troublemaker. ? What I suggest doing about supporting the Group if/when groups.io says we have to go Paid is to have one of the Owners or Moderators who already has a fairly active PayPal account to set up another business account on PayPal for the 4x6Bandsaw Group and set it up to receive the donations and then set it up so that groups.io bills it monthly for the $20.00.? Although it is old enough that our monthly bill is only $10.00 (and so far they haven’t said anything about raising it), that is exactly what I did for the main Atlas-Craftsman Group.? Should PayPal; ever complain about the lack of activity in that account, I would point to the other account as being active enough for both.? Which would probably satisfy them. ? On the subject of how much to suggest for a donation, I have never tried to sound out anyone at PayPal on it but strongly suggest that any call for donations includes a request NOT to send it as what they used to call Friends & Family.? That would be another plus if they were ever to complain about relative inactivity in the account.? That being said, I would ask for no less than $10.00, and judging from the number of replies to Bill’s Poll, it might be safer to start off at $20.00.? PayPal’s fees for receiving funds consist of a flat per-transaction charge plus a percentage.? So anything less than $10.00 just net’s too little to fool with. ? I have some thoughts or suggestions about organizing/pruning Files and Photos but I need to get to bed so will leave that for a later day. ? Robert Downs ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill in OKC too via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 21:09 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [4x6bandsaw] What Should We Do About Group Storage? ? Well, we've had 32 people including myself take the poll. Less than 1% of the group. I thank those of you who took the time to vote, even if you don't want to contribute. I've looked at the photos, and I'm not seeing much of anything I think should not be preserved. IIRC, we have over 4300 members. If you lurk, or participate, but have not yet taken the poll, would you please do so?? |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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On 12/18/2020 5:35 PM, Tom Angell via groups.io wrote:
I think it would help everyone if you listed a suggested amount for the donation.Five bucks has been suggested by more than one ... -- Snag |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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Count me in for a few bucks. On Sat, 19 Dec. 2020, 07:25 Clem Wixted, <cwixted@...> wrote:
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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Once the group is upgraded, you can setup a donation request on the group. IO has a system in place for that. But it is not available to the free groups.?
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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开云体育I think it would help everyone if you listed a suggested amount for the donation.Tom Angell Falls Church, VA
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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Count me in. I’ve gotten much help years ago from the helpful people on here who have provided great ideas that I have incorporated. I’m mostly a lurker now but it’s still of value to me.? Count me in.? Clem On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 5:09 PM Joe Melhorn <toyman@...> wrote:
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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开云体育Agreed, it is real or near real time chat. ? From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Loyd ? Well said animal! On 12/18/2020 9:54 AM, mike allen wrote:
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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开云体育I am looking into setting up a way to donate via PayPal. Neither myself nor Bill in Ok are in a position to front the payment to make the change. Hopefully I’ll have something in place in the next few days and I’ll keep the list informed. Right now we have about forty souls willing to donate, hopefully that number will increase. Regards, Joe Melhorn Sahuarita, AZ? 85629 ? |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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Ralph Hulslander
One problem with keeping the free group is it is going to take someone spending unreimbursed time to go through the files and photos. Going to a paid group avoids the hassle. Of course going through all of the members and cancelling them will take some effort also. But that is a good idea. Ralph On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 3:57 PM steve nicholson <steve@...> wrote: I realise storage space is the core concern here, however I would like |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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I realise storage space is the core concern here, however I would like to point out another issue that should also be addressed at the same time.
If the new payment structure of groups.io is moving to a pay per member for large groups may I suggest the membership is thinned to those active in the group, this may help solve some of the other issues as well. Currently there are 4,379 Members in this group, Using 204 MB for files storage, 1.0 MB for attachments storage, 924 MB for photos storage. Over the last 18 years there has been on average 820 posts per year, and this drops to average of 368 over the last 5 years. That makes this a very low usage group yet a lot of storage. In comparison, the Boxford lathe group I'm also on, has only 286 Members, Using 196 MB for files storage, 185 MB for attachments storage, 520 MB for photos storage. Over the last 12 months there has been 1821 posts. The big difference is they culled a lot of un-needed stuff when they transitioned from Yahoo-Groups and aren't having a storage issue. I can't remember but I think they made everyone sign up for a new account on groups.io rather than just transfer them over. My recommendations are as follows: 1. Force all members to rejoin the group, this will get rid of 80-90% of people that no longer have an interest here, they can always rejoin later if they need to access information. 2. As recommended in another post, aggressively purge/re-size the files and photos areas. Having a quick look, there are photos in there that are 3.5 MB in size that would be fine at 150-200kb to understand the detail being presented. I downloaded the files and photos sections at the change over to groups.io from yahoo groups so if you accidentally delete something you feel should be up there I probably still have it and can add it back. The group is a great resource of information, I'm happy to chip in $ to keep access to it, I would rather we cut back the additional fluff so the group can operate at the lowest cost though. May I also suggest consider getting a company to sponsor the group.io costs, Henry from Rong Fu Industrial may be interested in helping with this. Having a sponsor is no different than being blasted by advertising in "free" Facebook groups (which I advise against as they aren't suitable for the function of this group). Thanks. Steve (NZ) |
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Re: What Should We Do About Group Storage?
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开云体育I’m happy to pay. I will leave the group if it moves to facebook. |
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