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Re: File - zicg-info.txt
Hi everyone,
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I hope you are all staying well, despite the huge challenge we all face right now. I think it's too much to hope that nobody here will be affected by COVID-19, so all I can say is take care of yourself and look out for others. If in doubt, defer to the WHO guidelines. I have deleted the Yahoo ZICG group because I cannot stop the email below from being sent. Yahoo "deleted" the files a long time ago including what should be the source for that email. There is no way for me in the Yahoo settings to turn off automatic emails, so I have deleted the group. Regards, Michael Moffatt. On 1/04/20 4:52 am, ZICG@... wrote:
Zeiss Ikon Collectors Group (ZICG). List Information, version 2.4.0 |
Re: I don't understand some people!
I don't think such exaggerations are helpful. It's not true that "honest people are few and far between". That is not my experience at all, not even on ebay.?
That said, the motto is "caveat emptor", as always. The PC sync terminal on a pre-war camera design such as that offered "Contax II from Jena" should be a dead giveaway to anyone who knows even a bit about vintage cameras. If any collector of vintage cameras doesn't even know that much he deserves to be duped.? But I'd be surprised if there were any takers for that camera. So in the end no real harm is done. I find that clumsy forgery rather amusing.? |
Re: I don't understand some people!
To all decent and honest people out there.? It is no use making our selfs mad. even if you get the seller off ?the Internet within 10 seconds it will be advertised on 200 different accounts .? And for all the people who get? scammed , sorry but ignorance in not an excuse, consider it a lesson learned, and move on. We just have to except that honest people? are getting very few and are far in between. The only weapon we have is knowledge and instead of putting energy in complaining, lets start educating our selfs and make sure others get educated. In that way these vultures whom pray on the ignorant? ? will no longer have a chance.? ? I know harsh words? but that is how the world is these days.? Been there done that. Vriendelijke Groet? Dirk Maes ------ Original Message ------
From: "Javier Perez via Groups.Io" <summarex@...>
Sent: 3/3/2020 12:02:09 AM
Subject: Re: [ZICG] I don't understand some people!
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Re: I don't understand some people!
Hi I'm betting this guy is aware of what he's doing. I sent him a message indicating it wasn't a Contax but he didn't reply. Javier On Monday, March 2, 2020, 04:06:56 PM EST, Michael Moffatt <groups.io@...> wrote: Stuff like this makes me mad. I just wonder whether he had no idea and overpaid for it himself. Now just trying to offload the thing... Here it is again (same lens serial). A higher asking price and this time under "Cambridgeworld". You get a top down photo: Regards, Michael Moffatt. On 2/03/20 6:25 pm, Javier Perez via Groups.Io wrote:
> > I know! > I'm thinking maybe the guy doesn't read the comments attached to the offers. > Javier > On Monday, March 2, 2020, 12:06:17 PM EST, Mike Cohen > <mike.cohen44@...> wrote: > > > You should have countered with $4. > > On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, 13:34 Javier Perez via Groups.Io, > <summarex=[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >? ? I sent him a 5 dollar offer with a note saying "You realize that's a >? ? Kiev" >? ? He sent me a counter offer for 369! > >? ? He sells shutter curtains and other photo related stuff. >? ? On Monday, March 2, 2020, 06:20:53 AM EST, Michael Khan >? ? <mkk707@... <mailto:mkk707@...>> wrote: > > >? ? PS, note that the seller has a positive feedback rate on ebay of >? ? only 95%, which is frankly terrible. Buyers should be aware of the >? ? risks (all they have to do is to click on the profile) and if they >? ? are not, they will learn the hard way. I see that there are numerous >? ? instances of complaints that the seller tried to conclude deals >? ? outside of ebay. This normally constitutes grounds for ebay to >? ? terminate the contract they have with him. > > |
Re: I don't understand some people!
Stuff like this makes me mad. I just wonder whether he had no idea and overpaid for it himself. Now just trying to offload the thing...
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Here it is again (same lens serial). A higher asking price and this time under "Cambridgeworld". You get a top down photo: Regards, Michael Moffatt. On 2/03/20 6:25 pm, Javier Perez via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: I don't understand some people!
I know! I'm thinking maybe the guy doesn't read the comments attached to the offers. Javier On Monday, March 2, 2020, 12:06:17 PM EST, Mike Cohen <mike.cohen44@...> wrote: You should have countered with $4. On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, 13:34 Javier Perez via Groups.Io, <summarex=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: I don't understand some people!
You should have countered with $4. On Mon, 2 Mar 2020, 13:34 Javier Perez via Groups.Io, <summarex=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: I don't understand some people!
To judge by some of the other items that seller has on offer which are marked "Cambridgeworld", he is either 1) linked to [the former] Cambridge Camera in New York; or 2) is stealing images from them. In either case, he is unaware that Cambridge Camera has a stellar reputation for underhand sales tactics, of which switch and bait is probably the least unsavoury. Oh and by the way, that user name "Blatworld"? - "blat" is Russian criminal slang for "connections" of the type which get you undeserved advantage.
Stay well away - I would be surprised if any buyer received so much as a Kiev camera from this listing! |
Re: I don't understand some people!
I sent him a 5 dollar offer with a note saying "You realize that's a Kiev" He sent me a counter offer for 369! He sells shutter curtains and other photo related stuff. On Monday, March 2, 2020, 06:20:53 AM EST, Michael Khan <mkk707@...> wrote: PS, note that the seller has a positive feedback rate on ebay of only 95%, which is frankly terrible. Buyers should be aware of the risks (all they have to do is to click on the profile) and if they are not, they will learn the hard way. I see that there are numerous instances of complaints that the seller tried to conclude deals outside of ebay. This normally constitutes grounds for ebay to terminate the contract they have with him.? |
Re: I don't understand some people!
PS, note that the seller has a positive feedback rate on ebay of only 95%, which is frankly terrible. Buyers should be aware of the risks (all they have to do is to click on the profile) and if they are not, they will learn the hard way. I see that there are numerous instances of complaints that the seller tried to conclude deals outside of ebay. This normally constitutes grounds for ebay to terminate the contract they have with him.?
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Re: I don't understand some people!
This article by Henry Scherer is of relevance in the context of this discussion:
Someone should fix a "nice try" comment to the ebay ad. Perhaps the seller is genuinely unaware of the true pedigree of the camera he is trying to sell.? If he insists, then he should be reported to ebay. |
Re: I don't understand some people!
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Looking in my 1939 copy of 'Contax Photography', some early Contaxes had the 'ZEISS IKON' logo to the right of the RF window.? I can only assume this person is trying to fake a Jena Contax (in which case the Carl Zeiss Jena logo should be in the accessory shoe.)?
But the 'donor' camera is a Kiev 4a from what I can see with the revised back locks etc.? Unfortunately someone may be taken in by it....
Cheers,
Steve
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Re: I don't understand some people!
I suppose it is an almost genuine Contax. :-) Just that it's made in Kiev after the war.?
I am not aware that bona fide Contax IIs had the Zeiss Logo engraved below the focusing wheel.. And anyway, why would the engraving be "Carl Zeiss Jena"? The Contax II came from Dresden.? Then the logo engraved on the lens cap differs from that on the camera body. And what's with the focal length of that "Sonnar"? "f=5sm"? sentimeters? |
Ikonta 520/2 production year
Hello all!
I'm a classic camera collector focusing mainly on made-in-italy cameras. An elderly friend of our family recently left me a Ikonta 520/2, telling me it was bought by her uncle who dramatically fell prisoner by germans in 1944 as a civilian and died in Dachau 1945. The camera is fitted with a Novar 1:6,3 numbered 1020638 and the serial number on the body is Q 84408. I wondered if I can date the camera by those serial numbers. I noticed you have a file with serial numbers datings so I checked it was probably produced in 1929 (first year of 520/2 production). I'm proceeding to compile a new row in the Zeiss Ikon Camera Number Registry. I'd also like to send images of the camera but I have to check how to download them the "photos" folder of the group. Thank you for managing this great group, with so many infos and files added. Roberto Ciappi Perugia Italy |
Re: Year of manufacture by serial number prefix?
Hello Michael,?
Guess this is the name of the file: Just found it with the 1st link you provided: /g/zicg/files/ZI%20Productions%20Figures%20Article%20illus%20-%20Revised%20Jul%2013.pdf many thanks Ron |
Re: Year of manufacture by serial number prefix?
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Do you happen to know the exact filename? The files are located in /g/zicg/files and I think they were all successfully migrated from . I don't think any got lost, but if you can tell me the filename that might help. Also check the "holoceen" directory in the files section of groups.io. Regards, Michael. On 4/12/19 1:13 am, Ron Netherlands wrote:
Do we know were the pdf-file went to? |
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