Greetings to all !
I usually use the SO2R configuration, N1MM+, two keyboards and one PC.?To switch left, right, both, I connected two pedals to pins 10 and 11 of the AUX connector. What is very convenient.
Recently installed all the parts on the board of the box.?
I connected the third transceiver to the third input that appeared. Using macros {OTRSP MAP23} with AHK, I swapped the second and third radios. And then I got lost. How to switch CAT connection? N1MM+ only supports two radios.
Currently I use an additional third transceiver with second computer and for switching I use the third pedal, which connects both ears to the third transceiver through a relay.?
Who knows the most correct connection for SO3R use in CW and SSB ? And what is the idea of four inputs in general ?
73! Yuri EB5A
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Greetings to all !
I usually use the SO2R configuration, N1MM+, two keyboards and one PC.?To switch left, right, both, I connected two pedals to pins 10 and 11 of the AUX connector. What is very convenient.
Recently installed all the parts on the board of the box.?
I connected the third transceiver to the third input that appeared. Using macros {OTRSP MAP23} with AHK, I swapped the second and third radios. And then I got lost. How to switch CAT connection? N1MM+ only supports two radios.
Currently I use an additional third transceiver with second computer and for switching I use the third pedal, which connects both ears to the third transceiver through a relay.?
Who knows the most correct connection for SO3R use in CW and SSB ? And what is the idea of four inputs in general ?
73! Yuri EB5A
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Paul Young
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 07:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yccc-so2r] RFI Into Mic Line ? Some of this is the difference between a ham radio club project and a commercial product.? Originally I built an SO2R Box and brought it to a YCCC meeting.? WW1M saw it and said he could lay out a PC board.? N4BAA said he could design a box.? We expected to build fifteen of them. ? On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 7:48 PM Bugs Bunny <olegtf@...> wrote: ... from a person with quarter century In QC department - there's special kind of "aggressive" washes specifically designed to penetrate coating and provide acceptable electrically ground connection.
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FWIW, I *LOVE* my YCCC SO2R+ box.? I even got another kit (and built it) somewhere along the way as a backup, just in case !? I am going to build a 3rd to have as a travel-kit, assuming we ever travel again ;-)
The functionality and support from Dennis and others has been A1 ! !
Thanks for all that you do to support this.
73 Mike VE9AA
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And 750 So2R Boxes later, we had to retire the design because?parts were getting hard to find.
Dennis W1UE
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 7:48 AM Paul Young < k1xm@...> wrote: Some of this is the difference between a ham radio club project and a commercial product.? Originally I built an SO2R Box and brought it to a YCCC meeting.? WW1M saw it and said he could lay out a PC board.? N4BAA said he could design a box.? We expected to build fifteen of them.
??? Paul, K1XM
On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 7:48 PM Bugs Bunny < olegtf@...> wrote: ... from a person with quarter century In QC department - there's special kind of "aggressive" washes specifically designed to penetrate coating and provide acceptable electrically ground connection.
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Some of this is the difference between a ham radio club project and a commercial product.? Originally I built an SO2R Box and brought it to a YCCC meeting.? WW1M saw it and said he could lay out a PC board.? N4BAA said he could design a box.? We expected to build fifteen of them.
??? Paul, K1XM
On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 7:48 PM Bugs Bunny < olegtf@...> wrote: ... from a person with quarter century In QC department - there's special kind of "aggressive" washes specifically designed to penetrate coating and provide acceptable electrically ground connection.
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... from a person with quarter century In QC department - there's special kind of "aggressive" washes specifically designed to penetrate coating and provide acceptable electrically ground connection.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Wolbert, K6XX Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 13:46 To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [yccc-so2r] RFI Into Mic Line Paul, Dennis, Thank you for replying. For background, I just received and built this (old stock) kit. "Run 4" is a quote from Dennis's email of 24 Oct 2011 warning about a floating ground on the audio amp that required a shorting jumper to connect them that affects the fourth run of PC boards. A printout of this message was included with the kit. Nothing to do with a K4... radio was mentioned to explain why multiple mic preamps were available. While I scraped the tenacious powder coat off the ground stud, I missed the part about scraping paint where the board mounts. My mistake! An ohmmeter shows no continuity between the various connector shields themselves, or between them and chassis. I will run a shorting wire to all of these as well as scrape away more paint. I calculate that about 0.01uF is a good starting point for a bypass capacitor across MIC and MIC GND. I appreciate your assistance! In the "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" department: a comment to any of you crazy enough to consider a similar future product. From direct personal experience, it is unwise to pay chassis fabricators to powder coat the interior of RF-system boxes. While much more attractive and 'professional looking', the paint really gets in the way, even as overspray. In fact, it _is_ wise to pay them to mask the interior of the box where grounded connectors mount, even when the insides are not painted. Now, off my soapbox and on to cleaning up my new SO2R box! 73 de Bob, K6XX -- 73 de Bob, K6XX -- 73 de Bob, K6XX
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Paul, Dennis,
Thank you for replying.
For background, I just received and built this (old stock) kit. "Run 4" is a quote from Dennis's email of 24 Oct 2011 warning about a floating ground on the audio amp that required a shorting jumper to connect them that affects the fourth run of PC boards. A printout of this message was included with the kit. Nothing to do with a K4... radio was mentioned to explain why multiple mic preamps were available.
While I scraped the tenacious powder coat off the ground stud, I missed the part about scraping paint where the board mounts. My mistake!
An ohmmeter shows no continuity between the various connector shields themselves, or between them and chassis. I will run a shorting wire to all of these as well as scrape away more paint. I calculate that about 0.01uF is a good starting point for a bypass capacitor across MIC and MIC GND.
I appreciate your assistance!
In the "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished" department: a comment to any of you crazy enough to consider a similar future product. From direct personal experience, it is unwise to pay chassis fabricators to powder coat the interior of RF-system boxes. While much more attractive and 'professional looking', the paint really gets in the way, even as overspray. In fact, it _is_ wise to pay them to mask the interior of the box where grounded connectors mount, even when the insides are not painted. Now, off my soapbox and on to cleaning up my new SO2R box!
73 de Bob, K6XX
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Bob
I think by "Run 4", you mean a YCCC box from the fourth run.
The only thing I see that you didn't comment on was that paint needs to be scraped at two spots- one is the where the ground lug is, and the other is to make sure the board is grounded.? If? you look at the pc board, you will see that one of the mounting screw holes is connected to the board ground.? Where that screw and? spreader meet the chassis also needs the paint scraped.? I don't know that that would solve your problem, but it was in the construction documents.
Dennis W1UE
On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 8:48 PM Paul Young < k1xm@...> wrote: Hi Bob,
What do you mean by a "Run 4 box"?? I have a K4 but I haven't done any SO2R phone operating with it.
The SO2R Box microphone switching is very simple - there is a relay which connects both the mic hot and ground to the appropriate radio.? The mic ground is not grounded to the box or to the power supply minus.? There isn't a jumper but it would be pretty easy to add a wire which grounds it.
I would try a wire or maybe a capacitor between the mic ground lead and the box ground.? If you do this you'll have to open the box - remember to remove the nut on the speed pot before you open it, otherwise you will break the pot.
??? Paul
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:22 PM Bob Wolbert, K6XX < k6xx@...> wrote: Good Morning,
I just received/built a "Run 4" box. It seems to work fine until I transmit local SSB audio at any power level over 2W. From 2W up, what appears to be RF feedback into the mic line causes the transmitter to generate ugly noise at full amplitude. Classic RFI into the mic line, which I've struggled with in decades past.
Is there an easy cure? I'm thinking of adding several pF on both ends of the mic audio line on the PC board (each DIN as well as the 3.5mm mic input). I'd appreciate anyone providing a startinig point.
Notes:
1. Ferrites (lots of 'em) on the DIN cable have little or no effect. Maybe lets out another half watt.
2. The RX audio was oscillating upon first power up due to the floating ground on this Run 4 board. The ND2T jumper was added; problem sollved. (TU Tom).? I don't think this has any influence on the mic line.
3. Mic is a Heil HC4. Rig is a K4. The 14 dB mic preamp is required for full output. RFI occurs without the preamp, but at a much higher power level, as you would expect. DIN cable to rig is CAT5, using a twisted pair for mic and mic ground.
4. I scraped the paint from the chassis inside at the ground lug mounting screw position.
5. In TX TEST mode (zero RF out), the mic line works fine. Mic directly into the K4 works fine at 1500W.
Thanks for any assistance. CU on the air (?)!
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Hi Bob,
What do you mean by a "Run 4 box"?? I have a K4 but I haven't done any SO2R phone operating with it.
The SO2R Box microphone switching is very simple - there is a relay which connects both the mic hot and ground to the appropriate radio.? The mic ground is not grounded to the box or to the power supply minus.? There isn't a jumper but it would be pretty easy to add a wire which grounds it.
I would try a wire or maybe a capacitor between the mic ground lead and the box ground.? If you do this you'll have to open the box - remember to remove the nut on the speed pot before you open it, otherwise you will break the pot.
??? Paul
On Sat, Jul 16, 2022 at 2:22 PM Bob Wolbert, K6XX < k6xx@...> wrote: Good Morning,
I just received/built a "Run 4" box. It seems to work fine until I transmit local SSB audio at any power level over 2W. From 2W up, what appears to be RF feedback into the mic line causes the transmitter to generate ugly noise at full amplitude. Classic RFI into the mic line, which I've struggled with in decades past.
Is there an easy cure? I'm thinking of adding several pF on both ends of the mic audio line on the PC board (each DIN as well as the 3.5mm mic input). I'd appreciate anyone providing a startinig point.
Notes:
1. Ferrites (lots of 'em) on the DIN cable have little or no effect. Maybe lets out another half watt.
2. The RX audio was oscillating upon first power up due to the floating ground on this Run 4 board. The ND2T jumper was added; problem sollved. (TU Tom).? I don't think this has any influence on the mic line.
3. Mic is a Heil HC4. Rig is a K4. The 14 dB mic preamp is required for full output. RFI occurs without the preamp, but at a much higher power level, as you would expect. DIN cable to rig is CAT5, using a twisted pair for mic and mic ground.
4. I scraped the paint from the chassis inside at the ground lug mounting screw position.
5. In TX TEST mode (zero RF out), the mic line works fine. Mic directly into the K4 works fine at 1500W.
Thanks for any assistance. CU on the air (?)!
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73 de Bob, K6XX
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Good Morning,
I just received/built a "Run 4" box. It seems to work fine until I transmit local SSB audio at any power level over 2W. From 2W up, what appears to be RF feedback into the mic line causes the transmitter to generate ugly noise at full amplitude. Classic RFI into the mic line, which I've struggled with in decades past.
Is there an easy cure? I'm thinking of adding several pF on both ends of the mic audio line on the PC board (each DIN as well as the 3.5mm mic input). I'd appreciate anyone providing a startinig point.
Notes:
1. Ferrites (lots of 'em) on the DIN cable have little or no effect. Maybe lets out another half watt.
2. The RX audio was oscillating upon first power up due to the floating ground on this Run 4 board. The ND2T jumper was added; problem sollved. (TU Tom). I don't think this has any influence on the mic line.
3. Mic is a Heil HC4. Rig is a K4. The 14 dB mic preamp is required for full output. RFI occurs without the preamp, but at a much higher power level, as you would expect. DIN cable to rig is CAT5, using a twisted pair for mic and mic ground.
4. I scraped the paint from the chassis inside at the ground lug mounting screw position.
5. In TX TEST mode (zero RF out), the mic line works fine. Mic directly into the K4 works fine at 1500W.
Thanks for any assistance. CU on the air (?)!
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73 de Bob, K6XX
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Sorry about that - it is 1.13.
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Hi Paul,
1.33 or 1.13?
Mike
On 3/19/2022 6:04 PM, Paul Young wrote:
> Hi All,
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> I just put a new version of the software on the
> <> website.? The new feature is support for TCP/IP
> connections.? If your logging program supports OTRSP and WinKey over TCP
> you can connect that way.? It also means the logging program and SO2R
> Box program do not have to be on the same computer.
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> This version was built with a newer version of the compiler and
> libraries.? I have not tested it on Windows 7 and I don't know if it
> will work there.? If someone has a Windows 7 system and wants to try it
> I would be interested in the results.
>
>? ??? Paul, K1XM
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73,
Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
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Hi Paul,
1.33 or 1.13?
Mike
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On 3/19/2022 6:04 PM, Paul Young wrote: Hi All,
I just put a new version of the software on the k1xm.org <> website.? The new feature is support for TCP/IP connections.? If your logging program supports OTRSP and WinKey over TCP you can connect that way.? It also means the logging program and SO2R Box program do not have to be on the same computer.
This version was built with a newer version of the compiler and libraries.? I have not tested it on Windows 7 and I don't know if it will work there.? If someone has a Windows 7 system and wants to try it I would be interested in the results.
??? Paul, K1XM
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Mike, N1JEZ
"A closed mouth gathers no feet"
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Hi All,
I just put a new version of the software on the website.? The new feature is support for TCP/IP connections.? If your logging program supports OTRSP and WinKey over TCP you can connect that way.? It also means the logging program and SO2R Box program do not have to be on the same computer.
This version was built with a newer version of the compiler and libraries.? I have not tested it on Windows 7 and I don't know if it will work there.? If someone has a Windows 7 system and wants to try it I would be interested in the results.
??? Paul, K1XM
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Re: VLATCH command no longer working
Paul,?
Something you said had me going to look for something like this very thing (I would've never known otherwise that such a thing existed)
Thanks to you again.? Hope you are having fun.? Saw you spotted a couple times.
-Mike
Looks like it's been there a good long while and I've never used it.? Must've hit some keystrokes that I shouldn't have and I own this one.
Whew.? I was really stumped and had no idea why my {OTRSP VALTCHT} command was not being passed to the YCCC SO2R+ box.
Feel silly now, but hey...nobody's perfect, right?.
Had to unplug for lightning just now? Fierce in the skies here.,.
Have fun all and thanks to anyone who may have been looking at it.
At the very least, my blunder will hopefully save someone in the future when they have OTRSP issues.
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Version 1.0.7598 (April 2, 2019)
Advanced voice numbering: If a file is missing, display file name (Coded by KU7T)
Fixing exception about collection cannot be changed during iterations (OpenForms) (Coded by KU7T)
CQ-M Contest: Participants from other countries of the World: QSO with another ?P-150-C? continent (except QSOs with Russia) — 2 points (was 3)(RG9A) (Coded by NA3M)
SO2R: Adding Stereo toggle mode. CTRL+~ can be used to enabled/disable any {STEREO} or {OTRSP} macros. Operator can disable stereo switching if only one EntryWindow is being used temporarily. (N2IC, KU7T) (Coded by KU7T)On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 03:19 PM, VE9AA
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Re: VLATCH command no longer working
aha! I figured it out
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There seems to be either a new setting or one I had never noticed before called
Toggle/Stereo OTRSP Macro and it affects the way latch works.
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Whew !
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Thought I was goin nuts there. (well, more so than usual.
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After WAE I'll have to figure out if I always had that checked or if it was new.? If I always had it checked, I musta UNchecked it.
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Thanks for the B/W
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On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 12:44 PM, VE9AA - Mike wrote:
I have used this:
F11 VL, {OTRSP VLATCHT}
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for YEARS in So2R...always works 100% but now it doesn't seem to work.? Have mashed that button thousands of times but now no worky-worky.
All other functions of N1MM and SO2R+ box seem to work. Have rebooted and restarted all software a few times.
Even reverted back to Aug 3rd version of N1MM.? Still no go.
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Tried WAE contest, then DX logging, and then NAQP from last week. No go.
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If I manually open up the SO2R box software and check and/or uncheck the box it (headphone latching) works, course this is tough to do when you're running 2 radios.? Turning on verbose logging, it doesn't 'appear' the command is getting passed.
Is something new blocking some OTRSP commands? How would I "see" that myself to confirm?
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I have done no windows updates (Win 7), and there's been no changes to any programs on the computer.
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Ideas?
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Re: VLATCH command no longer working
It depends on what you are doing?? If you are changing which radio will transmit or which radio you will listen to then the logging program will send those commands.? If the logging program sends the VLATCHT command then you should see it too.? It appears that the logging program is not sending VLATCHT.? I don't know why - that might be a question better asked in the N1MM Logger group.
??? Paul, K1XM
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 1:23 PM VE9AA - Mike < ve9aa@...> wrote: So, looking at my 2 screenshots below...are THOSE the commands I should be seeing or?
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:57 PM, Paul Young wrote:
The TX1 and TX2 commands change which radio will transmit.? The RX1, RX2, and RXS select which radio or radios you will hear in the headphones.
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If you are not seeing a VLATCHT command in the log then the logging program isn't sending it.
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??? Paul
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So, looking at my 2 screenshots below...are THOSE the commands I should be seeing or?
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On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 01:57 PM, Paul Young wrote:
The TX1 and TX2 commands change which radio will transmit.? The RX1, RX2, and RXS select which radio or radios you will hear in the headphones.
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If you are not seeing a VLATCHT command in the log then the logging program isn't sending it.
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??? Paul
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Re: VLATCH command no longer working
The TX1 and TX2 commands change which radio will transmit.? The RX1, RX2, and RXS select which radio or radios you will hear in the headphones.
If you are not seeing a VLATCHT command in the log then the logging program isn't sending it.
??? Paul
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 12:06 PM VE9AA - Mike < ve9aa@...> wrote: I've punched the VLATCH key on both keyboards a couple times and the verbose output is too quick to see how many lines are filling up but here's what I see Paul  
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VE9AA - Mike
Bob Wolbert, K6XX
Mike N1JEZ