We had the privilege of going on a trip to Atlanta and Montgomery with my synagogue in November, to visit Civil Rights sites and the lynching monument. We went to Ebenezer Baptist church and met with Rev. Warnoch (he led John Lewis¡¯ funeral). One of the things he said was¡±if you¡¯re in a hole, stop digging.¡± ?I¡¯ve been quoting this a lot this week as the idiocy of our pandemic response continues to expand, but I think it also applies to Ravelry. They made a huge mistake and then they made it worse by digging in. There¡¯s a list of ways that things go wrong - confirmation bias comes to mind - I think they embraced the whole lot of them.?
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On Aug 1, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Therese Shere <therese.shere@...> wrote:
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People are their own worst enemies.
Th¨¦r¨¨se Shere
Freelance indexing & digital information design
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 10:00 AM Jaya Srikrishnan <
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Yes, I have been very puzzled by the staff¡¯s reaction. Reading between the lines of Jessica¡¯s home page post, I wonder if Cassidy is really going through a severe mental health crisis resulting in some of this behavior. I should also add, if it hasn¡¯t already been said, that she has apparently attacked people publicly and privately on IG and email. An email was posted that apparently went out to a lot o people that says that such issues never happened and that people are lying.?
It is a train wreck.
Thanks Jaya for your input. Oh my gosh, this is so stupid and seems like it would have been totally avoidable...I will be very, very sad if Rav falls apart. And very unhappy if all its resources become decentralized.?
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Th¨¦r¨¨se Shere
Freelance indexing & digital information design
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 8:49 AM Jaya Srikrishnan <
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People are also downloading all their patterns on Ravelry. I think there will be a huge exodus when classic Rav ends if the NuRav isn't fixed up by then.
The sense of community that existed there and the trust in the Rav staff is completely gone. I can't imagine them squandering the goodwill they had in a worse way.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:44 AM Jaya <
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Mary said "How are the designers impacted?? Why are they interested in building their own sites so they will no longer have to rely on Rav?? Is there something about the Rav's configuration that is not compatible with the designers uploading and delivering their patterns?"
The problem is that many hundreds of people (potentially even more, we really don't know since threads are being shut down and locked) can't use NuRav or are deleting their accounts in protest of the way the issues are being handled. Those are lost sales for designers. As I said, I don't know if sales are being impacted or not yet. Rav have also said that they will give 6 months notice before removing classic Rav as an option. But they will be removing it at some point. So people who are now using classic Rav and can't use NuRav might also be unable to get on Rav and buy patterns. Designers don't want their eggs in one basket. And 6 months may not be enough to design and bring a new website online.
There are also people trying to build Rav alternatives. I haven't checked them out.?
Jaya,? I'm just trying to catch up with the trajectory of this situation.? I'm up to speed about the roll out, thanks to everyone's posts.?
There are some things that I don't understand b/c I know so little about the design and function of websites like these.?
How are the designers impacted?? Why are they interested in building their own sites so they will no longer have to rely on Rav?? Is there something about the Rav's configuration that is not compatible with the designers uploading and delivering their patterns?
A few years ago, KnitCompanion decided that in order to build the capacity necessary to make big improvements to the app (voice controls and an host of other wonderful changes), they would need to build a subscription based platform.? Their roll out was well and patiently handled, yet there was a huge uproar among knitters who simply did-not-want-change and we all know how hysterical they can get. So many of them were in sack cloth and ashes, writing hysterical posts before they took the time to learn the facts. Sally and her team were endlessly patient, answered endless angry questions with restraint, explaining why the change was inevitable and necessary, and let Legacy owners continue to use the old app as long as possible (it still works, but the new one is also so much better) to quell the anger.? The KC team eventually prevailed and KnitCompanion now has a much more stable and brighter future for the company and the knitters who use it.? It's an example of managing a big platform change well.
Mary.
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