Re: Removing the Encoder caps
thx again for your advise, Karl ...
That worked for me too,- even I cleaned em in addition.
I now saved the replacement encoders in my tool box and saved time
because the soldering job was obsolete.
Am 15.04.2013 00:22, schrieb Karl Schmeer:
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I found the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the
encoder signals were failing. I
replaced all of these and it'sworked fine ever since.
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
Okay,? I see now. Please let us know how that turns out. Karl ________________________________ From: Omar <holografique@...> To: "xpantastic@..." <xpantastic@...> Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 5:26:12 PM Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps ? the issue we're referring to here has to do?with new encoders,?not the originals. The replacement kit that Syntaur sells uses?a pot that doesn't?meet the exact specs of the originals. Hence the issue. Syntaur has found a new part that does meet the original spec of "1-click per value" and I will be testing them soon. -o On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Karl Schmeer wrote: ?
Have you changed your encoders already?
The reason I ask, ?This is how my encoders were behaving for awhile. (multiple
clicks per Inc/Dec) ?
Eventually? this got worse, so I pulled out my Oscilloscope and after some
checking, I found
the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing.? I
replaced all of these
and it's?worked fine ever since. I have never cleaned em. And?they have
seen?some heavy use for years now.?
Best
Karl
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From: Omar <holografique@...>
To: "xpantastic@..." <xpantastic@...>
Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 2:15:50 PM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps
?
yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems
random. snip
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
the issue we're referring to here has to do?with new encoders,?not the originals. The replacement kit that Syntaur sells uses?a pot that doesn't?meet the exact specs of the originals. Hence the issue.
Syntaur has found a new part that does meet the original spec of "1-click per value" and I will be testing them soon.
-o
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Karl Schmeer wrote:
?
Have you changed your encoders already?
The reason I ask, ?This is how my encoders were behaving for awhile. (multiple
clicks per Inc/Dec) ?
Eventually? this got worse, so I pulled out my Oscilloscope and after some
checking, I found
the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing.? I
replaced all of these
and it's?worked fine ever since. I have never cleaned em. And?they have
seen?some heavy use for years now.?
Best
Karl
________________________________
From: Omar <holografique@...>
To: "xpantastic@..." <xpantastic@...>
Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 2:15:50 PM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps
?
>yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems
>random.
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
Have you changed your encoders already? The reason I ask, ?This is how my encoders were behaving for awhile. (multiple clicks per Inc/Dec) ? Eventually? this got worse, so I pulled out my Oscilloscope and after some checking, I found the schmidt trigger chips, which de-bounce the encoder signals were failing.? I replaced all of these and it's?worked fine ever since. I have never cleaned em. And?they have seen?some heavy use for years now.? Best Karl ________________________________ From: Omar <holografique@...> To: "xpantastic@..." <xpantastic@...> Sent: Sun, April 14, 2013 2:15:50 PM Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Removing the Encoder caps ? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems
random. snip
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
I hear ya. And I can see where it would be useful depending on your style of programming. I'm just different when it comes to programming synths. I've been programming for over 20+ years and have come to the point where I usually know which specific parameter I want to go to by just hearing the sound, so I don't need an "overview" unless the synth has a very difficult or limited UI with countless nested pages and menus (i.e. FM or other digital synths, romplers, etc). I'm very familiar with programming the Xpander's architecture and it's interface. I find it to be layed out very well, easy to understand and access, and I love the large format of it's UI. So it's just as easy for me to hit one or two buttons and turn a pot as it is to launch an app and click a few parameters with a mouse.?
Ultimately for me it comes down to the fact that when I want to interact with my instruments, I prefer for it to be a more "personal" experience and use them for how and what they were designed for. In some cases with certain instruments, the limitation of their interfaces can be part of their "character", dictating the outcome of what you create with them. On the flip side there are definitely some instruments that are just flat out ridiculous to program due to their clunky interfaces. For instruments like that, absolutely software interfaces have a clear advantage. I just never found the Xpander to be one of these types of instruments.
-o
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran <neil_loughran@...> wrote:
?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
?
yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:
?
Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote:
?
its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value
change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a
value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much,
much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts
feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original
ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the
better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the
rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more
than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know
that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the
clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean
job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story
though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy
Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program
editing and creations and use that in addition to make original
encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/
all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
?
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I
suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
it was called iControlMIDI and it wasn't as bad as it looked. Actually very functional for those synths that are more difficult to edit. I use it for my SQ-80m (prototype SQ-80 rack in an ESQm casing) and it works great. The software is no longer available though.?
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Neil Loughran <neil_loughran@...> wrote:
?
I don't think so mate.
I did see an iPad editor for the Matrix and Xpander on ebay but it looked terrible. ?It was kinda generic and there were other synth editors by the seller that looked the same.
?
Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ?? On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: ? that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
? Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. ?Works great…?
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe < implode7@...> wrote:
? I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
? Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
On 14 Apr 2013, at 20:24, Omar <holografique@...> wrote: ? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ??
On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: ? that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
? Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. ?Works great…?
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe < implode7@...> wrote: ? I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
? Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
I don't think so mate.
I did see an iPad editor for the Matrix and Xpander on ebay but it looked terrible. ?It was kinda generic and there were other synth editors by the seller that looked the same.
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Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ?? On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: ? that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
? Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. ?Works great…?
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe < implode7@...> wrote: ? I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
? Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
too bad osx version is not available-i'm not going to use windows on mac software personally
From: "endofcommon@..." To: xpantastic@...
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [xpantastic] Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
?
Is a OSX or Ipad version in development ??
On Apr 14, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Ancient Eyeball Recipe wrote: ? that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
? Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. ?Works great…?
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient
Eyeball Recipe < implode7@...> wrote: ? I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
? Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? http://xplorer.programmer.free.fr/bb/viewtopic.php?id=10 On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote:
?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool,
but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor
like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to
install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
that may be, but I don't need this enough to spend $40 or $50 (can't remember) for Parallels, just for this one application.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
?
Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. ?Works great…?
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe < implode7@...> wrote:
?
I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
?
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ?
On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
Yes I use Xplorer with OSX using Windows via Parallels. ?Works great…?
with "coherence mode" switched on you would never know you were running Windows and it would look like a regular OSX app for the most part...
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On 14 Apr 2013, at 21:57, Ancient Eyeball Recipe < implode7@...> wrote:
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I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
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Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Xplorer on mac was/Removing the Encoder caps
I have a thread on that forum about trying to get xplorer to work with vmware fusion. I was not successful, and I don't think that there is yet a solution.
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Anyone using Xplorer on OSX yet btw per below btw ? On Apr 14, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Neil Loughran wrote: ?
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
? yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote: ? Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
? its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine. On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote: ?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much, much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program editing and creations and use that in addition to make original encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/ all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
? Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
Xplorer has the advantage of showing you every parameter and modulation mapping at a glance which is why I really love it…
also it works both ways… you can edit on the computer and also the synth at the same time as the communication is bi-directional.
Worth checking out.
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
?
yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:
?
Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
?
its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value
change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a
value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much,
much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts
feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original
ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the
better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the
rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more
than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know
that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the
clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean
job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story
though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy
Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program
editing and creations and use that in addition to make original
encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/
all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
?
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I
suppose.
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
yup, its two clicks for me as well, and it?doesnt always happen, just seems random.
Xplorer looks cool, but I use hardware synths because I like using the different "hands-on" interface that each synth offers?versus using a mouse and computer screen all the time. For me It keeps the "process" interesting and spontaneous.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, Neil Loughran wrote:
?
Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
?
its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value
change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a
value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much,
much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts
feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original
ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the
better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the
rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more
than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know
that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the
clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean
job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story
though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy
Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program
editing and creations and use that in addition to make original
encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/
all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
?
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I
suppose.
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
Look forward to hearing about that Omar. ?Its more like 2 clicks per parameter change on mine now I just checked it out…?
it works great though and the encoders feel real nice on mine. ?Less noisy for sure..
On the whole I agree… for me as long as the encoder works I am fine. ?
I do most of my detailed programming via the Xplorer editor anyway.. so the encoders were more about being able to do the stuff not in the editor like voice PAN position and the like.
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its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs. if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value
change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a
value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much,
much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts
feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original
ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the
better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the
rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more
than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know
that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the
clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean
job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story
though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy
Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program
editing and creations and use that in addition to make original
encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/
all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
?
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I
suppose.
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Re: Removing the Encoder caps
its all matter of choice. this isnt a debate about what makes your Xpander keep value, nor is a new part a compromise over an original as long as it meets the same specs . if you want to clean your pots then great. if someone wants to replace them?with a new component then they have a choice. its better we have options than no options. especially if a pot completely stops functioning regardless of cleaning it. can we move on now?
And FWIW,?Syntaur has found a new replacement pot that operates within the same spec as the original (1 click per value) and still provides the smoother less noisy detent. I will have them here soon to install on mine.
On Sunday, April 14, 2013, PeWe wrote:
?
Don?t know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value
change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a
value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much,
much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts
feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original
ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the
better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I don?t have to use the
rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more
than a quarter of a century,- so it?s possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know
that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the
clean job.
Don?t take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean
job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- that?s another story
though.
For the heavier programming job, it?s probably recommended to buy
Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program
editing and creations and use that in addition to make original
encoders survive as long as possible.
I?m pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/
all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
?
Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I
suppose.
|
Re: Removing the Encoder caps
Dont know ...
If you have to turn the rotarys 3 times more for the same value
change now,- which is exactly the case when 3 clicks produce a
value change of + /- 1 only,- they will be worn out again much,
much earlier than the old original ones.
But I learned here in the group, members prefer modern parts
feeling smooth and being less noisy over the original behaviour.
Any new rotary encoder out there is a compromize vs the original
ones,- so for me the clean job and replacing the Schmitts was the
better solution.
It may be a temporary fix though,- but I dont have to use the
rotarys 24/7 a year.
Also think about that was the 1st clean job necessary after more
than a quarter of a century,- so its possible repeatable.
And yes,- Servisol Super 10 is agressive to plastic,- I know
that,- but it also depends how you deal w/ Servisol 10 for the
clean job.
Dont take much and remove everything left over AFTER the clean
job.
When you flood the Xpander w/ Servisol 10,- thats another story
though.
For the heavier programming job, its probably recommended to buy
Xplorer application for the Xpander/Matrix12 single-program
editing and creations and use that in addition to make original
encoders survive as long as possible.
Im pretty sure any Xpander and Matrix-12 has a better value w/
all original parts inside working once you want to sell it.
Am 14.04.2013 17:49, schrieb Neil Loughran:
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Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I
suppose.
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Yeah seems a shame to me as well…
Still its better than them not working at all I suppose.
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Am 14.04.2013 07:02, schrieb orangefunk:
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I fitted the Syntaur kit over the weekend and it works a
treat. It was quite a lot of soldering and exchanging of
capacitors though (removal of 12 capacitors and soldering
in of 18). I am just thankful it works :)
good to know because I have ?em bookmarked for the case mine stop
working correctly in future and after I cleaned the original ones.
Just a comment though, I think the resolution of the
encoders has changed as now it takes two or three clicks
to change a value... not so bad really and easy to get
used to... maybe I am wrong but weren't the original
encoders one click to an increment/decrement?
This is not good IMO and sad to hear now.
Yes, the originals are 1 click per increment/decrement value,- and
that?s what mine do after I cleaned ?em and replaced the 2
Schmitt-Trigger chips.
2 or 3 clicks per value isn?t original behaviour.
PeWe
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Am 14.04.2013 07:02, schrieb orangefunk:
I fitted the Syntaur kit over the weekend and it works a
treat. It was quite a lot of soldering and exchanging of
capacitors though (removal of 12 capacitors and soldering
in of 18). I am just thankful it works :)
good to know because I have em bookmarked for the case mine stop
working correctly in future and after I cleaned the original ones.
Just a comment though, I think the resolution of the
encoders has changed as now it takes two or three clicks
to change a value... not so bad really and easy to get
used to... maybe I am wrong but weren't the original
encoders one click to an increment/decrement?
This is not good IMO and sad to hear now.
Yes, the originals are 1 click per increment/decrement value,- and
thats what mine do after I cleaned em and replaced the 2
Schmitt-Trigger chips.
2 or 3 clicks per value isnt original behaviour.
PeWe
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