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Re: Xpander Vs. Rhodes Chroma


analogholic
 

I have to agree with James,

The Chroma sounds better than the Xpander/M12.
I was suprised when I got my Chroma a couple of months ago, and
compared it to the M12 in mono (as opposed to having the voices panned
as usually) The M12 sounded a bit "boxy" and lacked low-and-highend
compared to the Chroma.
The Chroma also has a more defined 3D sound.

Before any flame starts, I want to say that I love the M12 to death.
It can do stuff which no other synth can do, and I?m sure as hell
ain?t getting rid of mine. And of course every synth has "its" sound.
I?m talking about the actual soundquality here, where the difference
might be explained by:

1.Chroma has discrete oscillators

2.Xpander/Matrix-12 has inferior OP-amps in it?s signal chain.

As a matter of fact I?m in touch with a guy who changed the OP-amps in
his M12. This is what he said:

"The sound differences compared to the horrible TL072's that were in
there,are better low end and clearer top end. TL072's have the same
effect on sound that clock jitter has in digital systems; a folding of
the high frequency content into the mid bass band, in the form of ugly
grunge. Due to other design issues the Matrix-12 will never have the
huge sound of a modular Moog. There are too many compromises in the
design and CEM chips. But it can be made much better"

He also bypassed the pan-circuit which degrades the overall soundquality.

He is going to explain in detail what he did (and how) as soon as he
finds the time.

Xp/M12 is one of the greatest synths EVER, and IMHO it deserves to
sound as good as it can.

Of course YMMV














-- In xpantastic@..., "James R. Coplin" <james@...> wrote:

I own both and I'd probably burn to death in a fire if I had to run
back in
to the house and decide between one or the other. I actually think the
Chroma sounds better. However, the Xpander wins hands down for
reliability.
I have recently upgraded the power supply and main board for my
Chroma so it
is stable now. As wonderful as the Xpander is to program, the Chroma is
infuriating. However, the MIDI implementation on the Chroma
(through the
new MIDI interface or the KromaKult) gives you CC controls over
everything
as opposed to a couple on the Xpander.



James R. Coplin



From: xpantastic@... [mailto:xpantastic@...] On
Behalf Of mattvrazo
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 9:18 PM
To: xpantastic@...
Subject: [xpantastic] Re: Xpander Vs. Rhodes Chroma



--- In xpantastic@...
<mailto:xpantastic%40yahoogroups.com> ,
vco3@ wrote:

HI the rhodes arp chroma does not use 3374/3372's, the chroma
polaris uses
these. The rhodes arp chroma is a very different voice compared to
the
xpander...hope this helps.. cya analog-jeff
ahhh... ok... how did I miss that?! (Doesn't help with the similar
name!) Ok, I guess they have a discrete oscillator and different CEM
chips for VCF/VCA.

I guess that makes it a little less xpander related at this point, but
if anyone has any comments, would still be interested to hear them.

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