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Hello Everyone!
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It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to 3rd-party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator of the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and the general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we will do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different provider like .?
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What do you think?
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John Perry
http://www.jpunix.net
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I will stay here for a while there are to much contacts that know my actual address at yahoo.com. ? I will check the new TOS but usually I just block spam in my personal filters, so..... any unwanted e-mail will be rejected. ;)
Eric.
On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 12:55:58 PM GMT-7, 'John Perry' lists@... [xephem] wrote:
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Hello Everyone!
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It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to 3rd-party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator of the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and the general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we will do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different provider like .?
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What do you think?
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John Perry
http://www.jpunix.net
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Hi,
One other group I use has moved to ''.? I'd have to say that Yahoo seems to be almost un-useable and is now almost impossible to search through.? There is a significant problem around moving content from Yahoo to Groups.IO.
Cheers, Mike Chapman
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 7:15 AM, Eric De La Cruz Lugo eric_delacruz@... [xephem] <xephem@...> wrote:
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I will stay here for a while there are to much contacts that know my actual address at . ? I will check the new TOS but usually I just block spam in my personal filters, so..... any unwanted e-mail will be rejected. ;)
Eric.
On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 12:55:58 PM GMT-7, 'John Perry' lists@... [xephem] < xephem@...> wrote:
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Hello Everyone!
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It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to 3rd-party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator of the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and the general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we will do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different provider like .? ?
What do you think?
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Hi,
on general principles (and as an end-user) I strongly second the change.
(The group is not the place to start a rant against the major internet
players who already make Big Brother look like an angel as far as
privacy is concerned, so I refrain :)
... (this is the space for the rant I started anyway but finally deleted) ...
Of course as the maintainer, you'll have to weigh pros and cons, ensure
the sustainability of the destination provider and take into account the general feeling among the members...
For me, it's a loud and clear 'yes' to the change.
--
Fran?ois Meyer
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 'John Perry' lists@... [xephem] wrote: Hello Everyone!
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It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in
order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to 3rd-
party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator of
the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our
members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different
provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and the
general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we will
do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different provider
like .?
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What do you think?
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? John Perry
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What problems have you encountered in moving a group?
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On 4/26/2018 6:11 PM, Mike Chapman chapmanm007@... [xephem] wrote:
Hi,
One other group I use has moved to 'groups.io <>'.? I'd
have to say that Yahoo seems to be almost un-useable and is now almost
impossible to search through.? There is a significant problem around
moving content from Yahoo to Groups.IO.
Cheers,
Mike Chapman
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 7:15 AM, Eric De La Cruz Lugo
eric_delacruz@... <mailto:eric_delacruz@...> [xephem]
<xephem@... <mailto:xephem@...>> wrote:
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I will stay here for a while there are to much contacts that know my
actual address at yahoo.com <>.
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I will check the new TOS but usually I just block spam in my
personal filters, so..... any unwanted e-mail will be rejected. ;)
Eric.
On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 12:55:58 PM GMT-7, 'John Perry'
lists@... <mailto:lists@...> [xephem]
<xephem@... <mailto:xephem@...>> wrote:
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Hello Everyone!
?
It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in
order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to
3rd-party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator
of the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our
members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different
provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and
the general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we
will do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different
provider like .?
?
What do you think?
?
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John Perry
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Hi,
Not my group.? I understand one issue is to do with ownership of posted content.? It's likely that only people that have moved to the new group can take their content, otherwise permission needs to be obtained.? It's also possible that some people have posted and moved on, no longer members of the group, or maybe they've died and permission is not practically possible.? It's worth looking into.
Cheers, Mike Chapman?
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM, John Perry lists@... [xephem] <xephem@...> wrote:
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What problems have you encountered in moving a group?
On 4/26/2018 6:11 PM, Mike Chapman chapmanm007@... [xephem] wrote:
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>
> Hi,
>
> One other group I use has moved to ' <>'.? I'd
> have to say that Yahoo seems to be almost un-useable and is now almost
> impossible to search through.? There is a significant problem around
> moving content from Yahoo to Groups.IO.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Chapman
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> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 7:15 AM, Eric De La Cruz Lugo
> eric_delacruz@... eric_delacruz@yahoo.com> [xephem]
> <xephem@... xephem@...>> wrote:
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> __
> ?
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> I will stay here for a while there are to much contacts that know my
> actual address at <>.
> ?
> I will check the new TOS but usually I just block spam in my
> personal filters, so..... any unwanted e-mail will be rejected. ;)
>
> Eric.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 12:55:58 PM GMT-7, 'John Perry'
> lists@... lists@...> [xephem]
> <xephem@... xephem@...>> wrote:
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>
> ?
>
> Hello Everyone!
> ?
> It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in
> order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to
> 3rd-party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator
> of the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our
> members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different
> provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and
> the general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we
> will do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different
> provider like .?
> ?
> What do you think?
> ?
> ?
> John Perry
>
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
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>
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Well my understanding is that Yahoo owns all posted content and can use
it as they please. What I see on groups.io is that I can migrate the
entire list to the new location including all members and archived
messages with a single click. But that being said... groups.io is
claiming they are having issues with the migration mechanism.
I'm not moving anything until we have a consensus. But if I start the
move it may take days to weeks for it to finish.
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On 4/26/2018 7:19 PM, Mike Chapman chapmanm007@... [xephem] wrote:
Hi,
Not my group.? I understand one issue is to do with ownership of posted
content.? It's likely that only people that have moved to the new group
can take their content, otherwise permission needs to be obtained.? It's
also possible that some people have posted and moved on, no longer
members of the group, or maybe they've died and permission is not
practically possible.? It's worth looking into.
Cheers,
Mike Chapman?
On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 9:46 AM, John Perry lists@...
<mailto:lists@...> [xephem] <xephem@...
<mailto:xephem@...>> wrote:
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What problems have you encountered in moving a group?
On 4/26/2018 6:11 PM, Mike Chapman chapmanm007@...
<mailto:chapmanm007@...> [xephem] wrote:
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>
> Hi,
>
> One other group I use has moved to 'groups.io <>
<>'.? I'd
> have to say that Yahoo seems to be almost un-useable and is now almost
> impossible to search through.? There is a significant problem around
> moving content from Yahoo to Groups.IO.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Chapman
>
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 7:15 AM, Eric De La Cruz Lugo
> eric_delacruz@... <mailto:eric_delacruz@...>
<mailto:eric_delacruz@... <mailto:eric_delacruz@...>>
[xephem]
> <xephem@... <mailto:xephem@...>
<mailto:xephem@... <mailto:xephem@...>>> wrote:
>
> __
> ?
>
> I will stay here for a while there are to much contacts that know my
> actual address at yahoo.com <> <>.
> ?
> I will check the new TOS but usually I just block spam in my
> personal filters, so..... any unwanted e-mail will be rejected. ;)
>
> Eric.
>
>
> On Thursday, April 26, 2018, 12:55:58 PM GMT-7, 'John Perry'
> [email protected] <mailto:lists@...>
<mailto:lists@... <mailto:lists@...>> [xephem]
> <xephem@... <mailto:xephem@...>
<mailto:xephem@... <mailto:xephem@...>>> wrote:
>
>
> ?
>
> Hello Everyone!
> ?
> It's come to my attention that Yahoogroups has changed their TOS in
> order to more broadly disseminate our personal information to
> 3rd-party providers and advertising?agencies. As the owner/moderator
> of the XEphem mailing list I would like to "check the pulse" of our
> members to see if this is acceptable vs. changing to a different
> provider. Of course the final decision is up to Elwood. If he and
> the general membership are ok with staying with Yahoogroups then we
> will do so. If not I'll start migrating accounts to a different
> provider like .?
> ?
> What do you think?
> ?
> ?
> John Perry
>
> ?
> ?
>
>
>
>
>
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I will accept the decision of the majority but my vote is to move. Other groups I am in have also recently moved to groups.io and I like it there much better than here. I have only been a member in these moves, so can not speak to difficulties encountered by the admins, but from what I¡¯ve seen the migration goes pretty smoothly.
BYW John, I may never have publicly shared my sincere thanks for your capable shepherding of this group over the years. You¡¯ve always been fair and jumped in quickly when bumps were encountered. Most appreciated.
Hoping to see you all over at groups.io,
Elwood
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Since the responses have been general positive for the move I'll start
the move shortly. I'll run both groups in tandem until I'm sure our new
home is a nice place to live. My apologies in advance for any duplicate
messages you may see during the move.
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On 4/26/2018 8:48 PM, ecdowney@... [xephem] wrote:
I will accept the decision of the majority but my vote is to move. Other
groups I am in have also recently moved to groups.io and I like it there
much better than here. I have only been a member in these moves, so can
not speak to difficulties encountered by the admins, but from what I¡¯ve
seen the migration goes pretty smoothly.
BYW John, I may never have publicly shared my sincere thanks for your
capable shepherding of this group over the years. You¡¯ve always been
fair and jumped in quickly when bumps were encountered. Most appreciated.
Hoping to see you all over at groups.io,
Elwood
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I vote to move.
Thanks! :) Rick in Canada (eh!)
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 9:48 PM, ecdowney@... [xephem] <xephem@...> wrote:
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I will accept the decision of the majority but my vote is to move. Other groups I am in have also recently moved to and I like it there much better than here. I have only been a member in these moves, so can not speak to difficulties encountered by the admins, but from what I¡¯ve seen the migration goes pretty smoothly.
BYW John, I may never have publicly shared my sincere thanks for your capable shepherding of this group over the years. You¡¯ve always been fair and jumped in quickly when bumps were encountered. Most appreciated.
Hoping to see you all over at ,
Elwood
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I vote to move.?
The main reason is that Yahoo's future has been very dim over the years and I feel that moving when we would like to would be better than trying to the the old messages from the bankruptcy attorneys.
Jay
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Rick Towns