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Re: TELEBAHN still there
Am Fr., 7. Apr. 2023 um 07:36?Uhr schrieb Mantas Mikul?nas <grawity@...>:
Thank you for setting that up!? I could successfully connect to?14704100 after I had tweaked my configuration.? ?Would you be willing to share your configuration?? I could not quite figure out how to enable inbound X.29 connections to the router itself. |
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Re: TELEBAHN still there
Hello Hans, I've had my X.25 router at th1cc.net shut down for a while, but I'll probably have time to put it back on the net this weekend. Meghan
------- Original Message ------- On Wednesday, April 5th, 2023 at 11:27 PM, hans.huebner@... <hans.huebner@...> wrote: Hi, |
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Re: TELEBAHN still there
I finally decided to add mine, just a pile of old Cisco routers to poke around (though at the moment I'm not sure if the telebahn x.25 profile is set up right, as so far I've been only playing with serial links between identical systems). On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 6:26?AM <hans.huebner@...> wrote: Hi, -- Mantas Mikul?nas |
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Re: TELEBAHN still there
john jones
开云体育Hi Hans, ? My system is listed but I no longer have the node turned on. ? I guess there just isn’t quite the critical mass yet. ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of hans.huebner@...
Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2023 2:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [X.25] TELEBAHN still there ? Hi, |
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TELEBAHN still there
Hi,
laforge kindly referred me to this list as we chatted about my interest in X.25.? To get started, I have set up a virtual Cisco router using dynamips and configured it for xot according to the document.? I also added myself there.? I tried connecting to the systems that are listed there, but none of them responded to X.25 connection requests.? None of the gateway TCP ports (1998) in the list responded either.? Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but is any of you still interested in this? My longer-term plan is to get my VAX 4000-600 running VMS 5.5-2H4 and VAX P.S.I. connected to the network. Thanks, Hans |
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Re: Router list
line vty 6I've found out that the line-processing on the router can make things difficult, to say the least.? I've been experimenting with the options to avoid the router line buffering which can cause problems with some types of remote hosts, such as BBSes that expect single-character commands.? At VCFSE last month, I had opportunities to use my 2620 as a dial-up modem bank with various client devices and found all sorts of issues when using it to telnet out to Telehack (control keys are buffered until <CR> so pong, 2048, and other games aren't playable), TheOldNet & RetroCampus have single-character menus, and my own BBS had issues with line editing being performed by the router.? raw mostly works, but can have other issues talking to hosts expecting an unbuffered telnet session.? I've since moved to having the router make raw tcp connections to a linux host that can provide both the TELENET style connection prompt, manage known host aliases, and provide host specific connection commands.? I'll try to clean up what I've got and publish something in the days ahead. I've got my endpoint offline at the moment while I rebuild my rack (I'm hoping next year to just haul my half-rack to our VCF show, and not spend as much time carrying & connecting gear) -DK |
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Re: Router list
On 7/26/22 1:35 PM, Fred wrote:
In this particular case it is probably worth the drive, as it's going to be more than one router given to me and it will only cost some Donato's pizza.? Depending on what WICS are included or I can find on fleabay I can probably also extend it to other purposes as well (integrate it in my telephone side of the house, etc)Nice! Can I ask for details and / or pictures when convenient? You know, computer / router / network pr0n and living vicariously through others. }:-) -- Grant. . . . unix || die |
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Re: Router list
Thanks all - that helps.
In this particular case it is probably worth the drive, as it's going to be more than one router given to me and it will only cost some Donato's pizza.? Depending on what WICS are included or I can find on fleabay I can probably also extend it to other purposes as well (integrate it in my telephone side of the house, etc) Fred |
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Re: Router list
What I've been doing in lieu of getting more async lines is creating
virtual lines with autocommand telnet. Like this: line vty 6 rotary 66 autocommand telnet <hostname or ip address> no exec transport input pad There is a little bit of lag, and it is sort of cheating, but it works. I'm currently working on segmenting my network, once I'm done I should have some x.25 services up semi-permanently On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 2:12 PM john jones via groups.io <jjones3601@...> wrote:
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Re: Router list
john jones
开云体育Hi Fred. ? As usual, it depends on what you want to do. ? The Cisco 1841 has separate AUX and CONSOLE ports so you can have a single X.25 “host” at your end.? It also has 2 WIC slots so you can probably put a analog modem cards or low density async card in there. ? I’m not 100% sure about this but I think almost every Cisco router I’ve looked at will support X.25 although the specific image sometimes matters. ? I’d guess that you have a greater than 90% chance of it working out of the box (assuming the router is good). ? If you want a higher density of serial hosts, you’d probably want something that has a NM (network module) slot so you could plug in an NM-16A or NM-32A. ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Fred
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [X.25] Router list ? Hi all, |
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Router list
Hi all,
Other than a Cisco 2800 series router, is there a list of routers (software dependent of course) that would make good candidates for usage on telebahn?? I have a line on some 1841's (free for pickup) and wanted to be sure these could be used before making the trip (not far, but also not close either with current fuel prices). Thanks Fred |
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Re: Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
john jones
开云体育Thanks David ! ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kuder
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2022 2:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank ? This is what it has currently grown to. The menu 'tpcnet' is what is presented to dial-up modem clients, so there is no menu text, just an @ prompt, as you would get from the likes of TELENET/DATAPAC/TYMNET services back when those were operating still. You had to know the host address you were connecting to, or its mnemonic for well known services. One difference is due to the limited nature of the cisco menus, I've left out the "C " at the beginning. Maybe I'll make an actual shell at some point and offload the menu system to a linux box. ! version 12.3 service pad to-xot service pad from-xot service tcp-keepalives-in service tcp-keepalives-out service timestamps debug datetime msec service timestamps log datetime msec no service password-encryption ! hostname x25-vhsvr-com ! boot-start-marker boot-end-marker ! logging buffered 100000 debugging ! enable secret ... ! enable password ... ! username x25 password 0 x25 username x25 autocommand menu x25in memory-size iomem 10 clock timezone Eastern -4 ! no aaa new-model ip subnet-zero ip cef ! ! ! ip domain name vhsvr.com ! ip host tpcbbs ... ! ip name-server ... no ftp-server write-enable ! modemcap entry AUTOANSWER:MSC=S0=1:TPL=default modemcap entry NOANSWER:MSC=S0=0:TPL=default ! x25 profile TELEBAHN dxe ?x25 version 1988 ?x25 modulo 128 ?x25 address 783235 ?x25 win 4 ?x25 wout 4 ?x25 ips 1024 ?x25 ops 1024 ?x25 facility windowsize 10 10 ?x25 facility packetsize 1024 1024 ?x25 subscribe packetsize permit 32 1024 target 512 1024 ?x25 subscribe windowsize permit 1 16 target 2 10 x25 routing ! ! xot access-group 10 profile TELEBAHN ! ! interface FastEthernet0/0 ?ip address 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 ?duplex auto ?speed auto ?no keepalive ?no mop enabled ! ! ip classless ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 no ip http server ! access-list 10 permit any ! menu offline title ' Sorry. That host is currently offline.' menu offline prompt 'Press RETURN to continue.' menu offline command q menu-exit menu offline default q menu offline single-space ! menu tpcnet prompt '@' menu tpcnet command 783227 tpcbbs menu tpcnet command tpcbbs tpcbbs menu tpcnet command 687111 jjspad menu tpcnet command jj jjspad menu tpcnet command exit exit menu tpcnet command 78323594 multiz menu tpcnet command multiz multiz menu tpcnet default exit menu tpcnet line-mode menu tpcnet single-space ! menu x25in title ' ? ? *** ? ? ? ? Welcome to The Phone Company X.25 Gateway ? ? ? ? ? ? Type a number to select an option. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Type Q to disconnect. ? ' menu x25in prompt '>' menu x25in text 1 The Phone Company BBS menu x25in command 1 tpcbbs menu x25in text 2 Star Wars menu x25in command 2 starwars menu x25in text 3 telehack.com menu x25in command 3 telehack menu x25in text 4 Multiplayer Zork menu x25in command 4 multiz menu x25in text 8 JJ's X.25 Host menu x25in command 8 jjspad menu x25in text 9 TPC Official Time menu x25in command 9 sho clock menu x25in command Q exit menu x25in default Q menu x25in single-space ! x25 route (...)(...).. xot dns \2.\1.x25.org x25 route (...)(...). xot dns \2.\1.x25.org x25 route (...)(...) substitute-dest \1\299 xot dns \2.\1.x25.org x25 host x25-vhsvr-com 783235 ! ! banner login ' You can login with username/password x25' banner motd ' ? TPCNET 783 0$(line)A ' alias exec jjspad pad 687111 alias exec tpcbbs menu offline alias exec starwars telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl /quiet alias exec telehack telnet telehack.com /quiet alias exec multiz telnet tpcbbs 12000 /quiet ! line con 0 ?no motd-banner ?x25 subaddress 0 ?length 0 ?flowcontrol software line 1 4 ?exec-timeout 0 0 ?x25 subaddress line ?vacant-message '' ?modem InOut ?modem autoconfigure type AUTOANSWER ?rotary 89 ?autocommand? menu tpcnet ?no activation-character ?length 0 ?transport input pad telnet ?transport output pad telnet ?autoselect timeout 1 ?autohangup ?stopbits 1 ?speed 115200 ?flowcontrol hardware line aux 0 line vty 0 4 ?x25 subaddress line ?login local ?transport input telnet ?transport output all ! line vty 5 63 ?exec-timeout 0 0 ?vacant-message '' ?no login ?no activation-character ?transport input pad ?autohangup line vty 5 7 ?no motd-banner ?rotary 90 ?autocommand? show clock line vty 8 31 ?rotary 99 ?login local ?autocommand? menu offline ! line vty 32 39 ?rotary 91 ?autocommand? tpcbbs line vty 40 48 ?rotary 92 ?autocommand? starwars line vty 49 55 ?rotary 93 ?autocommand? telehack line vty 56 63 ?rotary 94 ?autocommand? multiz ! ! end ? |
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Re: Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
This is what it has currently grown to. The menu 'tpcnet' is what is presented to dial-up modem clients, so there is no menu text, just an @ prompt, as you would get from the likes of TELENET/DATAPAC/TYMNET services back when those were operating still. You had to know the host address you were connecting to, or its mnemonic for well known services. One difference is due to the limited nature of the cisco menus, I've left out the "C " at the beginning. Maybe I'll make an actual shell at some point and offload the menu system to a linux box.
I also added two other x25 routes to handle single digit subaddresses, as well as a default subaddress of 99 since that seems to be the de-facto rotary everyone is using as their main entry point. I do have a rotary working now to the modems. 78323589 -> modem pool, currently the PBX is offline, so no dialtone. with the PBX online (and all the cables plugged in) you would be able to dial numbers in the 980-xxxx exchange and connect to other modems hanging off the PBX. The full config minus sensitive bits and voip stuff (my C2620 is really a VG200 that has had the boot rom swapped out to unlock its full capabilities): !
version 12.3
service pad to-xot
service pad from-xot
service tcp-keepalives-in
service tcp-keepalives-out
service timestamps debug datetime msec
service timestamps log datetime msec
no service password-encryption
!
hostname x25-vhsvr-com
!
boot-start-marker
boot-end-marker
!
logging buffered 100000 debugging
! enable secret ...
! enable password ...
!
username x25 password 0 x25
username x25 autocommand menu x25in
memory-size iomem 10
clock timezone Eastern -4
!
no aaa new-model
ip subnet-zero
ip cef
!
!
! ip domain name vhsvr.com
! ip host tpcbbs ...
! ip name-server ...
no ftp-server write-enable
!
modemcap entry AUTOANSWER:MSC=S0=1:TPL=default
modemcap entry NOANSWER:MSC=S0=0:TPL=default
!
x25 profile TELEBAHN dxe
?x25 version 1988
?x25 modulo 128
?x25 address 783235
?x25 win 4
?x25 wout 4
?x25 ips 1024
?x25 ops 1024
?x25 facility windowsize 10 10
?x25 facility packetsize 1024 1024
?x25 subscribe packetsize permit 32 1024 target 512 1024
?x25 subscribe windowsize permit 1 16 target 2 10
x25 routing
!
!
xot access-group 10 profile TELEBAHN
!
!
interface FastEthernet0/0
?ip address 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0
?duplex auto
?speed auto
?no keepalive
?no mop enabled
!
!
ip classless
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1
no ip http server
!
access-list 10 permit any
!
menu offline title '
Sorry. That host is currently offline.'
menu offline prompt 'Press RETURN to continue.'
menu offline command q menu-exit
menu offline default q
menu offline single-space
!
menu tpcnet prompt '@'
menu tpcnet command 783227 tpcbbs
menu tpcnet command tpcbbs tpcbbs
menu tpcnet command 687111 jjspad
menu tpcnet command jj jjspad
menu tpcnet command exit exit
menu tpcnet command 78323594 multiz
menu tpcnet command multiz multiz
menu tpcnet default exit
menu tpcnet line-mode
menu tpcnet single-space
!
menu x25in title '
?
?
***
?
? ? ? Welcome to The Phone Company X.25 Gateway
?
? ? ? ? ? Type a number to select an option.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Type Q to disconnect.
?
'
menu x25in prompt '>'
menu x25in text 1 The Phone Company BBS
menu x25in command 1 tpcbbs
menu x25in text 2 Star Wars
menu x25in command 2 starwars
menu x25in text 3 telehack.com
menu x25in command 3 telehack
menu x25in text 4 Multiplayer Zork
menu x25in command 4 multiz
menu x25in text 8 JJ's X.25 Host
menu x25in command 8 jjspad
menu x25in text 9 TPC Official Time
menu x25in command 9 sho clock
menu x25in command Q exit
menu x25in default Q
menu x25in single-space
!
x25 route (...)(...).. xot dns \2.\1.x25.org
x25 route (...)(...). xot dns \2.\1.x25.org
x25 route (...)(...) substitute-dest \1\299 xot dns \2.\1.x25.org
x25 host x25-vhsvr-com 783235
!
!
banner login '
You can login with username/password x25'
banner motd '
?
TPCNET
783 0$(line)A
'
alias exec jjspad pad 687111
alias exec tpcbbs menu offline
alias exec starwars telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl /quiet
alias exec telehack telnet telehack.com /quiet
alias exec multiz telnet tpcbbs 12000 /quiet
!
line con 0
?no motd-banner
?x25 subaddress 0
?length 0
?flowcontrol software
line 1 4
?exec-timeout 0 0
?x25 subaddress line
?vacant-message ''
?modem InOut
?modem autoconfigure type AUTOANSWER
?rotary 89
?autocommand? menu tpcnet
?no activation-character
?length 0
?transport input pad telnet
?transport output pad telnet
?autoselect timeout 1
?autohangup
?stopbits 1
?speed 115200
?flowcontrol hardware
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
?x25 subaddress line
?login local
?transport input telnet
?transport output all
!! global parameters for all PAD connected lines line vty 5 63
?exec-timeout 0 0
?vacant-message ''
?no login
?no activation-character
?transport input pad
?autohangup
! ! rotary group specific parameters follow line vty 5 7
?no motd-banner
?rotary 90
?autocommand? show clock
line vty 8 31
?rotary 99
?login local
?autocommand? menu offline
! The x25 user profile overrides this line with menu x25in, I'm setting this so?all other users will get booted with host offline message if there isn't an override specified for them too. !
! The rest of the incoming rotary groups are unauthenticated and bounce directly to other hosts line vty 32 39
?rotary 91
?autocommand? tpcbbs
line vty 40 48
?rotary 92
?autocommand? starwars
line vty 49 55
?rotary 93
?autocommand? telehack
line vty 56 63
?rotary 94
?autocommand? multiz
!
!
end
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Silicon Graphics SX.25
Howdy y'all:
I was browsing some SGI documentation, and I was flabbergasted to see SGI had an X.25 product. I may be a bit biased because I'm an SGI fanboy, but I really like their documentation. It's a little easier to digest and get things going. I think I'm going to try and source a dremel so I can get this motherboard out of my Challenge S and make that an X.25 node! :D - SGI SX.25 Administration Guide |
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Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
john jones
开云体育Sometimes, it is necessary to issue the command ? clear line XXX ? to get it back to order. ? I added some session timeouts to address this. ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kuder
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 8:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank ? I was still able to connect just now without changing anything else on my side. line vty 60 63 ?exec-timeout 0 0 ?vacant-message '' ?no login ?rotary 91 ?autocommand telnet actual.host.name port /quiet ?no activation-character ?transport input pad ?autohangup ! no activation-character says don't wait for the user to send any characters before sending out the motd / login / running commands you can put other commands in autocommand instead of telnet, just be careful that whatever command you run doesn't dump out to a shell when done. I've got show clock running on 78323590 which dumps the current date/time as synced from pool.ntp.org and then disconnects.
alias exec telehack telnet telehack.com /quiet ! menu offline title ' Sorry. That host is currently offline.' menu offline prompt 'Press RETURN to continue.' menu offline command q menu-exit menu offline default q menu offline single-space ! |
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Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
I was still able to connect just now without changing anything else on my side.
The secret sauce I found for bouncing connections to other hosts based on incoming connections is this: ! line vty 60 63
?exec-timeout 0 0
?vacant-message ''
?no login
?rotary 91
?autocommand telnet actual.host.name port /quiet
?no activation-character
?transport input pad
?autohangup
!
rotary is the subaddress for that pool of lines. no activation-character says don't wait for the user to send any characters before sending out the motd / login / running commands
vacant-message '' gets rid of any "press a key to activate this console" type messages you can put other commands in autocommand instead of telnet, just be careful that whatever command you run doesn't dump out to a shell when done.
I've got show clock running on 78323590 which dumps the current date/time as synced from pool.ntp.org and then disconnects.(menus using menu-exit will return to a shell instead of disconnecting. use exit to disconnect) if you're using both direct mapping and menus, you may want to use alias exec to define the commands so you can easily change them one place for both. ! ! alias exec tpcbbs telnet tpcbbs.local /quiet alias exec tpcbbs menu offline alias exec starwars telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl /quiet alias exec telehack telnet telehack.com /quiet
!
menu offline title '
Sorry. That host is currently offline.'
menu offline prompt 'Press RETURN to continue.'
menu offline command q menu-exit
menu offline default q
menu offline single-space
! Now that I've sort of figured that much out, I can't seem to get the async lines to respond to telnet anymore, which I had working yesterday. They connect, but I never get anything back from the modems, and then the connection times out. If I manage to get that working again, I can split the modem pool in half and call it a success. |
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Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
john jones
开云体育And I just checked and the device David was connecting to on my side was still set at 10 so that may be why he needed to change his side to 10 also.?? I guess it is NOT a negotiated parameter. ? I’ll change my win and wout back to 15 to see if that works for David. ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of john jones via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 7:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank ? Evan Stewart and I ran into that window size issue a few days ago and then I thought it went away. ? I’ve been using a bunch of different IOS images on different platforms so that may be part of it but perhaps simply lower the window size is an easy enough fix. ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kuder ? I had to add the following lines to get any pad connections to go through on the 2620: ?x25 facility windowsize 10 10 ?x25 facility packetsize 1024 1024 ?x25 subscribe packetsize permit 32 1024 target 512 1024 ?x25 subscribe windowsize permit 1 16 target 2 10
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Re: Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
john jones
开云体育Would you mind sharing your menu configuration section, obscuring anything that should be obscured? ? Thanks! ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kuder
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 11:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank ? So, like the other Dave, I've run into some unfortunate side effects of using a Cisco 26xx router. |
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Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank
john jones
开云体育Evan Stewart and I ran into that window size issue a few days ago and then I thought it went away. ? I’ve been using a bunch of different IOS images on different platforms so that may be part of it but perhaps simply lower the window size is an easy enough fix. ? John ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kuder
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 5:02 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: JJ 2611 config WAS: RE: [X.25] Cisco 2620 as PAD for a modem bank ? I had to add the following lines to get any pad connections to go through on the 2620: ?x25 facility windowsize 10 10 ?x25 facility packetsize 1024 1024 ?x25 subscribe packetsize permit 32 1024 target 512 1024 ?x25 subscribe windowsize permit 1 16 target 2 10
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