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Re: Getting started
Hi Alice, and welcome to the framestream!
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No worries about "sounding clueless", it's a very esoteric subject and really took me a couple of years to wrap my head around. Nobody has written about it since the 90ies because, once you actually get down to nitty-gritty, there's not actually much there? The way I like to think of X.25 is this: Imagine it's 1982, you operate a voice telephone network, and many of your customers use analog modems to communicate across it. You've recently spent a lot of time and money transitioning your network to Digital so this seems a bit silly, and maybe it would even be simpler for you (the phone company) to provide customers with a serial port as their telco interface instead of a voice pair. Then, you can bill them for a full channel and you only have to carry 2400 baud or whatever, which (a) probably they won't be saturating even that anyway and (b) you can multiplex it and a bunch of other data into a 64k timeslot. It's free money! So that's what X.25 et alia are: a series of protocols and interface specifications, such that (assuming access to a conforming network) you can "dial" from any one serial port to another by typing in the number of the remote port. Plus all the multi-carrier network interop and billing stuff that you would expect from a telco. None of these standards specify what the "internal" architecture of a commercial network should look like... that's because X.25 started as a formalization/generalization of the interface already provided by TYMNET, who were the first but definitely not the only provider in the space, and American telcos in that era preferred to specify the customer interface while keeping the switching and transmission as secret-sauce. You'll see a lot of references to PADs, this is a fairly simple device that has a standard async serial port (rs232) on one side and connects to an X.25 network on the other side. The async port speaks a protocol called X.3. It's nominally human-accessible but actually fairly unpleasant to use; I find it even less fun than Hayes AT commands. Cisco routers that speak X.25 have an X.3 PAD built in. You can try to read X.3, X.25, X.28, X.29, etc, at this url n.b.: the way they write is weird, and can be pretty tough to understand until you cultivate the necessary brain-worms. whether you do so or not is up to you ... TELEBAHN per se doesn't really provide anything other than a number-to-IP mapping system and a few common specifications to ease interoperation. As such anything that speaks XOT can connect to it, and (almost*) anything that speaks X.25 can be downstream from that in your network. Good luck finding gear! * I assume there's some combination of window size and acknowledgement settings that would make coexistence difficult, but there aren't too many knobs to twiddle in the core protocol so maybe not? Every Cisco router since the 1990s should be able to speak XOT and X.25 enough to do TELEBAHN; they don't remove stuff. But also they don't fix it unless someone pays - like, IOS XOT doesn't do IPv6 and probably never will. Further hardware is not required but if you find some, that's super cool and I encourage you to figure out how to plug it in :) The cables are weird but not too expensive. All mine is packed away in storage at the moment. I have an 8-port PAD that works almost acceptably .. it requires manual reconfiguration on every powerup to layer2 link-up with anything, for unclear reasons. I think all X.25 gear is probably buggy. I also have a 16-port "switch" (?) that has not meaningfully responded to any stimulus that I've given it on the config async port, but it does seem to exchange layer2 packets on the "uplink" port. But only NAKs. Doesn't like me. This is the sum total of my ebay watched searches for a few years. X.25 stuff is pretty thin on the ground, most electronics recyclers know that there's no money in it. -- ?strid smith (she/her) =<[ c y b e r ]>= antique telephone collectors association member #4870 On 2023-05-24 at 7:28 pm JST, Alice Wyan wrote:
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